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Sanctjud wrote:@battle Brother Lucifer:
As funny as that was......do you realize how much /facepalm is stuffed in that one post...esp. for those that recognize where it came from...../sigh/

/Golfclap. But still funny.

That was the point

I said:
I'm not complaining about bolters.... I'm suggesting that if you get a chance to upgrade them to assault weapons you should... and you should try to take as few of them as possible. that's all.


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KrootLoops you said:
Yeah, that's just what they need to do, is give BS 4 3+ save troops 18" assault 2 rifles. Aw screw it, just give them autocannons and relentless. Throw a power weapon bayonet on the end that counts as an extra CC weapon and a Storm Shield guard on it too.

BattleBrother Lucifer you said:
Dude, just build your army with all plasma guns and flamers. Put it on the shelf. Never play it.
"Ohh, my regular weapons can't hurt tanks!"
Someone dial whine-1-1 for this guy, have 'em send a WHAAAmbulance.

Camboyz you said:
Abaddon you are one dense player. Bolters arent made to kill the elites of the enemy, or endless swarms of greenskins, its made to kill units like tau fire warriors or eldar guardians! If you want to kill elite units, look to the melta gun or plasma, to kill swarms, flamer or heavy bolter!

Jil you said:
"Oh, not to mention the whole "My basic infantryman's gun doesn't hurt tanks waaaah" was a peice of comedy gold"

Maelstrom you said:
Comparing bolters to plasma, melta, flamers is pointless. Of course bolters are worse than them, that's why you have to pay points for them and can only get them in limited quantities.

Daed you wrote:
"Hey guys, my default Troop choice weapon can't insta-kill one of the hardest to kill Elite infantry choices with one of the most obnoxious psyker powers in the game in one round."


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You'd think this forum would be difficult to navigate without reading skills but apparently alot of people manage it. w/e.

AF

?

Im pretty sure it takes 54 bolters to destroy one ork truck.

54 shots -> 36 hits -> 6 glance -> 1 Immobilized +1 to wrecked.

Oh blast, you're right. Ignore me, I did something dumb with my math. Not like it matters, AF has me on his ignore list and this thread is entirely for his benefit.

Damnit Darkhound! You make my matches longer when I have to pull out my codex, and explain to my opponent ten times before doing so...

Warwalkers. ARE. NOT! OPEN-TOPPED!!!

For shame.

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I wish there was something beyond ignore, since everytime I see that AF posts, I want to perform brain surgery with a pencil.

Hypocrite.

Fool.

His posts are so freaking mind-blowing packed with failure.

>.<

That sign-off is annoying too, who is he? The king of trolls?

No, that'd be Gwar's occupation. Warwalkers seriously aren't open-topped? Huh. I'm striking out all over the place today.

Don't worry, I have thought my WW had shuriken catapults more than once. Damn deceptive modeling practices...

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:His posts are so freaking mind-blowing packed with failure.

>.<

That sign-off is annoying too, who is he? The king of trolls?

It isn't even necessary Inquisitor, there is no reason to continue with all of that.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:I'm not complaining about bolters.... I'm suggesting that if you get a chance to upgrade them to assault weapons you should... and you should try to take as few of them as possible. that's all.

You'd think this forum would be difficult to navigate without reading skills but apparently alot of people manage it. w/e.

now lets not be ridiculous....
not sure that it would really change anything if bolters were assault 2 18". its like oh no you kill maybe 1 more marine or a few more orks on the charge soooo scary.

ooohhhh.... the *big* picture.... you're right. I should look at the big picture more often. I'm kind of a small picture guy but I see now that you're right. It's the big picture that counts. thanks. really

yeah I agree if everyone could have an assault weapon the game would be silly

Vene wrote:

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Stormrider
no...no I'm not complaining about bolters.... I'm suggesting that if you get a chance to upgrade them to assault weapons you should... and you should try to take as few of them as possible. that's all.
AF

You said in the OP

AbaddonFidelis wrote:I don't like bolters.

I think that means you're complaining about bolters and don't like them.

Agreed with Vene, because try as you might, it is pretty clear that you aren't all that interested in actually adding much of anything to this conversation, AbaddonFidelis.

I hope people realize by now how much time has been wasted on this part of the thread, needlessly, and how little AbaddonFidelis has actually contributed.

Look, there is a lot to talk about here, but it would help if people could just let Abaddon have his opinion. He is certainly entitled to that. There is little going on at this point besides arguing with the person behind that one keyboard, so helping this thread have a point besides disagreeing with that one person could be considered a great idea. It is clear enough where most people stand on this, and even if there are opinions on both extremes, the average seems to have a decent amount of respect for the common bolter wielding tac marine. Remember that everyone can have whatever opinion they feel like, but it doesn't matter when they are one out of a few that agree, out of many, many more that don't.

Lets not make this topic "What does AbaddonFidelis think of Bolters?", that would be nice.

Wrex

you said:
"Agreed with Vene, because try as you might, it is pretty clear that you aren't all that interested in actually adding much of anything to this conversation, AbaddonFidelis."

well in fairness I did start the conversation... I added that
Really though the statement that "if you get the opportunity to upgrade a bolter you should do it" is to me so completely obvious it surprises me that anyone bothered to disagree. I mean come on.....

you said:
Look, there is a lot to talk about here, but it would help if people could just let Abaddon have his opinion. He is certainly entitled to that. There is little going on at this point besides arguing with the person behind that one keyboard, so helping this thread have a point besides disagreeing with that one person.

I agree with you completely.

AF

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Really though the statement that "if you get the opportunity to upgrade a bolter you should do it" is to me so completely obvious it surprises me that anyone bothered to disagree. I mean come on.....

Oh, it's on alright.

Pic unrelated...

I got that, and this will be the third or fourth time you have been quoted on that. COME ON!

Hilarious.

Your opinion changed quite drastically, and people called you on it. There really isn't any point to carrying this part of the conversation any further.

Continue thread...

yeah... I keep saying it... over... and over... and over....
but yeah this thread is getting pretty old I think Im done with it.