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WH40KGuy757 wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Nightwalker wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

Nightwalker wrote:For one his cosmetic look is well kinda silly or even flat out stupid and then in all books of Warhammer i have read where he is talked to which is only one (Soul Hunter) but he is not fitting of a bad guys role. He just isn't a good bad dude they should have a real clone of Horus show up and take over in my opinion cause Horus was a literal pimp

Horus was an agent for prostitutes? Maybe thats why he always had so many furs on.

His armor was originally purple and he had a purple hat with a feather in it as well as a diamond topped cane but the emporer said it wasn't "intimadating" enough

His original battle-cry was, "Where mah money, bitch?!"

Yes! And his Personal Land raider had spinners, Hydrolics and was covered in bling!!

Is Horus Lupercal gonna have to choke a bitch?




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1hadhq wrote:Who got 5th ed fluff and success in it? Ahriman.

Where has Ahriman appeared since "A Thousand Sons"? I haven't read all of the books yet, but they are so far the most interesting. I know Thousand Sons factor in the new Battle for the Fang book, which is next on my list.

iproxtaco wrote:Abbaddon himself actually did something amazing himself

http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ci/ci_chaos_abaddon.html

Read the part under 'The Despoiler'. He's done some pretty impressive stuff, it's just not lauded as openly as, say, Calgar's feats.



The problem is, of course, Abaddon's forces are weaker than the Imperium's. and the Imperium is defending and as such has somewhat of an advantage anyway. Presumably, what is wanted is the stereotypical style 'the bad guy's stronger than the good guy so the good guy must run away but will eventually kill the bad guy in a duel or by tricking him'. Which, quite frankly, I find rather dull. As it stands, the Imperium is the most powerful single faction in the galaxy, but that just doesn't make it quite as exciting for some people as being completely overwhelmed and winning through destroying something or assassination or what have you.

Omegus wrote:

1hadhq wrote:Who got 5th ed fluff and success in it? Ahriman.

Where has Ahriman appeared since "A Thousand Sons"? I haven't read all of the books yet, but they are so far the most interesting. I know Thousand Sons factor in the new Battle for the Fang book, which is next on my list.

Ahriman has a chance to be in "atlas infernal" ( upcoming BL novel ) as he seems to be the villain there....

In 5th ed fluff, Abaddon has just his black crusade.
Ahriman got multiple small pieces of fluff in codices, so could be the most active of the "old guard".
Codex GK for example features Ahriman, not abaddon..
The real spotlight is on Huron Blackheart tough. Almost every piece is about him or his followers.

If I had to bet, my money would be on H.B. for: "actual threat with a chance of new fluff".
Abby is soo last ed.....

Sorry but Vulkan is still alive and still the coolest

fleet of claw wrote:Sorry but Vulkan is still alive and still the coolest

+1. There is nothing more badass than an unstoppable Marine, especially one with 2+/3++

I think no one likes abaddon because he is a dirtbag, plus i don't like the way his miniature looks!

iproxtaco wrote:The first ever Daemon Prince, said to be Genghis Kahn given Daemonhood by Khorne due to his acts conquering the largest empire ever seen, and probably killing more with a single army than both World Wars combined times two.

Also, during the fifth black crusade he single-hnadedly destroyed two full SM chapters.


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Abbaddon himself actually did something amazing himself

http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ci/ci_chaos_abaddon.html

Read the part under 'The Despoiler'. He's done some pretty impressive stuff, it's just not lauded as openly as, say, Calgar's feats.



The problem is, of course, Abaddon's forces are weaker than the Imperium's. and the Imperium is defending and as such has somewhat of an advantage anyway. Presumably, what is wanted is the stereotypical style 'the bad guy's stronger than the good guy so the good guy must run away but will eventually kill the bad guy in a duel or by tricking him'. Which, quite frankly, I find rather dull. As it stands, the Imperium is the most powerful single faction in the galaxy, but that just doesn't make it quite as exciting for some people as being completely overwhelmed and winning through destroying something or assassination or what have you.

And you don't find "Auto-win" dull either?

And don't make it sound as if the entire Imperium is defending either. It is the Cadians. The Cadian Imperial Guard actually manages to own all of chaos, think about it.

And "The Despoiler" section is not canon. There was no first crusade, because it was entirely destroyed by Dorn+1st company Imp fists.

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Because you could use cement to attach his arms, and they won't even stick then :/.

Just finished painting the Finecast version of Abaddon and am happy with the results ... I can only imagine the problems metal arms would have given me since I normally do not pin something. I like the model (otherwise I would not buy it), although it is a little undynamic ...

Abaddon suffers from Cobra Commander Syndrome. He can't *win* ... the bad guys can't ever get a win ... so he has to rant, rave, put together bold plans ... and then fail at the end of the day while shaking his fist and saying "I'll be baaaaaaack..."

Of course, that gives ris eto the idea that maybe, just maybe, it's time for him to put up or shutup and nudge the story forward a bit.

Call it 13th Crusade 1.5

Abbie has been getting an earfull from the Chaos Gods. They're fickle and impatient and he's not doing enough. They give him a time frame to get something done Or Else.

So he does.

Make it a five, or better seven, prong assault... Abaddon personally rending through Cadia, leading the Black Legion.

At the same time, unleash four wannabes ... each leads a force dedicated to a single Chaos god, breaking off from the main body to go attack other, more lightly-defended worlds.

You can top it off with two renegade chapters doing the same, either A) without the support of the daemons or B) with a little support from all four daemons (Or, heck, one of each) ... roll it into another big summer campaign and see which of the factions does the best. If Abaddon's forces don't come out in first, he gets the boot. A scene with Abaddon getting abandoned by all four Choas gods in turn, his power stripped, his weapons and armor taken away, and dumped on some lonely hunk of rock someplace (But not killed! You don't waste a bolter shell on something that pathetic) ... you know it'd be nice. Follow that up with a corination of whomever did best, who is either A) back by his ptron who is then seen as the strongest of the four, rightfully or not, B) takes the mantle up of four-blessings, or C) figures out that they lose because the chaos gods make it hard to be think, so reduces the cultists to support while moving the pure renegades to the fore.

Yes, it forces the game world to *gasp* grow a bit, but doesn't changes things *terribly* much.

(And, of course, you could always have Abaddon find something on his lonely rock that opens the door to him returning with a new power. The lost shrine of Malal? Taken by the remnants of the Necron Warbringer? Gathered up by Cypher? Who knows!)

^He's like Tex from Red vs. Blue.

I'm with Wakshaani, I WANT ANOTHER SUMMER CAMPAIGN! i did play in the 13th black crusade and did win a few battles for the imperium, pretty sweet

Because he is a failure. Boy failed so many crusades you would think they all involved invading Russia during the winter with no winter gear.

Varrick wrote: Because he is a failure. Boy failed so many crusades you would think they all involved invading Russia during the winter with no winter gear.

The problem is that GW is afraid of him accomplishing stuff because it will make all the Imperial players hate him. Besides, Abaddon has done more stuff than most of the Chaos guys. He recovered Horus' body in a lightning fast raid while all of the other Traitor Legions were fleeing. He blew up a bunch of planets with Blackstone Fortresses he captured using clever tactics (GASP, that's one of the rare times he doesn't suffer from Cobra Syndrom) and some other stuff. But, as I said earlier, GW doesn't want to piss off even more players, so Abaddon remains who he is; A pretty cool guy who codexes say is a horrible threat to the Imperium but can't explain why or how, thus pissing Chaos players off.

LoneLictor wrote:

Varrick wrote: Because he is a failure. Boy failed so many crusades you would think they all involved invading Russia during the winter with no winter gear.

The problem is that GW is afraid of him accomplishing stuff because it will make all the Imperial players hate him. Besides, Abaddon has done more stuff than most of the Chaos guys. He recovered Horus' body in a lightning fast raid while all of the other Traitor Legions were fleeing. He blew up a bunch of planets with Blackstone Fortresses he captured using clever tactics (GASP, that's one of the rare times he doesn't suffer from Cobra Syndrom) and some other stuff. But, as I said earlier, GW doesn't want to piss off even more players, so Abaddon remains who he is; A pretty cool guy who codexes say is a horrible threat to the Imperium but can't explain why or how, thus pissing Chaos players off.

To be fair GW is also afraid of pissing off ork players, chaos players, eldar players, and all players that is why everything seems dead in the water. Course you are right they do especially fear pissing off Imperial players since marines are their main selling point.

Varrick wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Varrick wrote: Because he is a failure. Boy failed so many crusades you would think they all involved invading Russia during the winter with no winter gear.

The problem is that GW is afraid of him accomplishing stuff because it will make all the Imperial players hate him. Besides, Abaddon has done more stuff than most of the Chaos guys. He recovered Horus' body in a lightning fast raid while all of the other Traitor Legions were fleeing. He blew up a bunch of planets with Blackstone Fortresses he captured using clever tactics (GASP, that's one of the rare times he doesn't suffer from Cobra Syndrom) and some other stuff. But, as I said earlier, GW doesn't want to piss off even more players, so Abaddon remains who he is; A pretty cool guy who codexes say is a horrible threat to the Imperium but can't explain why or how, thus pissing Chaos players off.

To be fair GW is also afraid of pissing off ork players, chaos players, eldar players, and all players that is why everything seems dead in the water. Course you are right they do especially fear pissing off Imperial players since marines are their main selling point.

Yea that is probley true, Abbadon is cool enough and has done loads of stuff. You don't find any Tau with that many achievements. Or orks.

What people like to forget is that, according to the 13. Black Crusade sourcebook, Abaddon is currently winning his 13. Black Crusade. Quarren's fleet, while still powerful and likely numericaly superior to the Chaos fleet ( thanks to reinforcements from Battlefleet Solar itself ), was shattered over Cadia when it drove off the Blackstone fortress and is currently hampered by the warpstorms which engulf the entire area of contested space (thanks to Erebus himself ). So, with limited communications, limited longrange warptravel and therefore only limited reinforcements the situation doesn't look too good for the beleaged, but currently still holding, forces of the Imperium, especialy when we consider that both the Planetkiller and the Blackstone fortress are still operational.

Because everyone has to complain that the game sucks and the mini can't be worth as much as it is, as he is not as invincible as the fluff would have him be.

Ignore it when people complain about the viability of what you want to play, and just play. If half the internet had their way, special characters would cost 20 points and be unkillable...

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Because everyone has to complain that the game sucks and the mini can't be worth as much as it is, as he is not as invincible as the fluff would have him be.

Ignore it when people complain about the viability of what you want to play, and just play. If half the internet had their way, special characters would cost 20 points and be unkillable...

+1. I love when an "invincible" hero from 4000 years previously gets killed by my bog-standard cc Terminator

I agree, killing special characters is always fun

Because. He. Is. Fail. Even Horus did more than him in less time.

dajobe wrote:I agree, killing special characters is always fun

You make Baby Eldrad cry.

DarknessEternal wrote:

dajobe wrote:I agree, killing special characters is always fun

You make Baby Eldrad cry.

Dead Eldar can't cry.

And poor, poor Eldrad is as dead as they come.

I am glad, because I fight for the imperium(or the greater good or c'tan, but usually imperium) and my brother plays eldar, so i fight against his kind all of the time!

I read a real good comparison of Abaddon's and Vader's exploites sadly never been able to find it again. Was quite funny

fleet of claw wrote:

Varrick wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Varrick wrote: Because he is a failure. Boy failed so many crusades you would think they all involved invading Russia during the winter with no winter gear.

The problem is that GW is afraid of him accomplishing stuff because it will make all the Imperial players hate him. Besides, Abaddon has done more stuff than most of the Chaos guys. He recovered Horus' body in a lightning fast raid while all of the other Traitor Legions were fleeing. He blew up a bunch of planets with Blackstone Fortresses he captured using clever tactics (GASP, that's one of the rare times he doesn't suffer from Cobra Syndrom) and some other stuff. But, as I said earlier, GW doesn't want to piss off even more players, so Abaddon remains who he is; A pretty cool guy who codexes say is a horrible threat to the Imperium but can't explain why or how, thus pissing Chaos players off.

To be fair GW is also afraid of pissing off ork players, chaos players, eldar players, and all players that is why everything seems dead in the water. Course you are right they do especially fear pissing off Imperial players since marines are their main selling point.

Yea that is probley true, Abbadon is cool enough and has done loads of stuff. You don't find any Tau with that many achievements. Or orks.

I still remember Armageddon. We had a break in the monotony but status quo remained.


But when GW decides to break the status quo things will get interesting. just need to start a major battle series over something that allows a few armies to get some street cred on a hero.

Have Chaos take cadia for Emperors sake lets shake up the box and see how things turn out.

im2randomghgh wrote:
And you don't find "Auto-win" dull either?

Technically it's an auto-win at the cost of millions of lives and vast amounts of material that barely managed to hold back the main force of Abaddon and may yet fail. If I recall correctly it even says that it's left other parts of the Imperium vulnerable and overstretched due to the reinforcements required to hold Abaddon off. Of course, the Imperium by the same token has also 'auto-won' against the Tyranids, seeing as every major fleet sent against the Imperium thus far has either been diverted, defeated, or is the process of attacking..

And don't make it sound as if the entire Imperium is defending either. It is the Cadians. The Cadian Imperial Guard actually manages to own all of chaos, think about it.

Yeah, it's just the Cadians holding the Cadian Gate when a Black Crusade occurs. That contradicts pretty much everything I've read about the Black Crusades.

And "The Despoiler" section is not canon. There was no first crusade, because it was entirely destroyed by Dorn+1st company Imp fists.

Lexicanum pretty much backs it up (according to Lexicanum, the incident on Mackan was during the 7th Crusade). As far as I know, Dorn it not annhilate the whole of the Black Crusade, but delayed sufficiently and caused it enough damage to allow the Imperium to recover. Admittedly, I can't actually verify this as I have neither of the sourced books.

GW can't have cadia fall to chaos because the cadian imperial guard regiments are some of their most popular imperial guard types and (i may be wrong about this) people dont want to see the cadians fighting for chaos.

dajobe wrote:GW can't have cadia fall to chaos because the cadian imperial guard regiments are some of their most popular imperial guard types and (i may be wrong about this) people don't want to see the cadians fighting for chaos.

Cadians are popular because GW shoehorns them in everywhere. They are the only regiment they make that looks like it could fight anywhere.

Varrick wrote:

dajobe wrote:GW can't have cadia fall to chaos because the cadian imperial guard regiments are some of their most popular imperial guard types and (i may be wrong about this) people don't want to see the cadians fighting for chaos.

Cadians are popular because GW shoehorns them in everywhere. They are the only regiment they make that looks like it could fight anywhere.

Indeed. Back when Catachans were the only plastics, THEY were the most common Guard. Back when all the Regiments were metal, you tended to see each style in equal amounts.

Cadians are popular because 1) they're plastic, 2) they're better than the Catachan plastics.

GW doesnt make steel legion in plastic does it, because they are sweet, and so it sounds like if they made another plastic series of guardsman(that wasnt lame) then they could have cadia fall, and not that many people would care, except the cadian players who could claim they are rebellious against the new power or something like that