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Cadia can fall quite easily to shake up the status quo.

Abbaddon launches his biggest most strategically simple(has to work right bro?) plan YET, feths the Cadians gak, triggers a giant campaign giving us something to worry about, and while Creed is working to fight for the last Kasr on Cadia Guard regiments from all over get called in to help return the gak fething favor. Only at the end of the campaign Creed and his remaining 8th Cadian pull back from the ruins of Kasr WTF in an attempt to contain the new crusade.
Plus we have Cadians all over the damn place. Galaxy is lousy with them so just throw a rock and you can either hit Cadians or a reason for Cadians to go somewhere.

Thus we get a shake up to the status quo, a reason to STILL have Cadians, a reason to bring back Steel Legion and other regiments as plastics, and the only people that WONT be happy are the few that feel Cadias are untouchable; but those are little children so lets ignore that immaturity.


I may not like Cadians but others do so we should keep them. We have Cadian regiments everywhere so if Chaos got Exterminatus stuff and vaporized the rock we could still have Cadians.

Varrick wrote: Cadia can fall quite easily to shake up the status quo.

Abbaddon launches his biggest most strategically simple(has to work right bro?) plan YET, feths the Cadians gak, triggers a giant campaign giving us something to worry about, and while Creed is working to fight for the last Kasr on Cadia Guard regiments from all over get called in to help return the gak fething favor. Only at the end of the campaign Creed and his remaining 8th Cadian pull back from the ruins of Kasr WTF in an attempt to contain the new crusade.
Plus we have Cadians all over the damn place. Galaxy is lousy with them so just throw a rock and you can either hit Cadians or a reason for Cadians to go somewhere.

Thus we get a shake up to the status quo, a reason to STILL have Cadians, a reason to bring back Steel Legion and other regiments as plastics, and the only people that WONT be happy are the few that feel Cadias are untouchable; but those are little children so lets ignore that immaturity.


I may not like Cadians but others do so we should keep them. We have Cadian regiments everywhere so if Chaos got Exterminatus stuff and vaporized the rock we could still have Cadians.

Abaddon can never win, not ever. For one simple, simple reason:

CREEED is his enemy. Infiltrate an Imperator titan? A CAAT with an Imperator in it? An Emperor-class Battleship? Yes, please.

Dont have to get rid of cadians, according to the fluff, many armies use their same armour and colors, and GW could have the actual cadians fall back and lead to possibly yet another campaign, gotta think ahead

People hate him because of his hair, or did someone already say that? Whatever, Im saying it now. His hair sucks

Toastedandy wrote:People hate him because of his hair, or did someone already say that? Whatever, Im saying it now. His hair sucks

very true, i think hed look better bald than with the ginourmous pony tail

Darkseid syndrome.

Doesn't matter how many omega effects, cool ships, devious plans ans fanatical followers he has. No he's never killing any A-list heroes (he may kill a b-lister or kill a big one that comes back later on) or achieving any goals. That kills the story of the heroes always triumphing, if at great (not really) cost.

Abaddon is not even that good a candidate for #1 enemy of the Imperium. He's a former henchman, his forces are the remnant of a remnant and his backers hate each other. It's a wonder he even makes it all the way to Cadia, really.

Sephyr wrote:
Darkseid syndrome.

Doesn't matter how many omega effects, cool ships, devious plans ans fanatical followers he has. No he's never killing any A-list heroes (he may kill a b-lister or kill a big one that comes back later on) or achieving any goals. That kills the story of the heroes always triumphing, if at great (not really) cost.

Abaddon is not even that good a candidate for #1 enemy of the Imperium. He's a former henchman, his forces are the remnant of a remnant and his backers hate each other. It's a wonder he even makes it all the way to Cadia, really.

Ahriman, Kharn, Sindri or My Little Pony would all be better candidates. He's so god awful I bet he couldn't even destroy the Tau.

Or any of the Daemon Primarchs would also do a better job. As for not being able to destroying the Tau, I hope that was a casual joke.

AHRIMAN!

im2randomghgh wrote:

Ahriman, Kharn, Sindri or My Little Pony would all be better candidates. He's so god awful I bet he couldn't even destroy the Tau.

Honestly, there is only one character that I think has the chops to really lead a huge, unified chaos force. That as proved to be smart, cunning, inspiring and also a badass on the field.

EREBUS.

That is all.

A manipulative Word Bearer with little to no influence outside his Legion, and who is generally un-trusted? Nope.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/336819.page

He is hated becuase he has a terrible model and his black crusades always fail.

iproxtaco wrote:A manipulative Word Bearer with little to no influence outside his Legion, and who is generally un-trusted? Nope.

Sure, cunning traitors who like a straight-up fellow like Tzeentch certainly won't cotton to a 'manipulative' type!

Erebus is devoted to Chaos as an ideology, has traction with all four deities, and is a hell of a fighter to boot (in the HH series he beats all the other captains in sparring and is only defeated by Lucius after an exceedingly long fight) and a proven ability to plan ahead, inflitrate and even adjust his schemes on the fly.

Unlike a certain top-knotted fella who comes up wit a doomsday play every thousand years, kills some pawn who only exist to die, and then flees back home with a "Curses! Foiled again!" once the white hats disable his initial charge.

Cause he epic fails at taking over the galaxy so much that even with thirteen crusades he still have made it past cadia. EEEEEEPPPPPPPIIIIIICCCCCCC FFFFFFAAAAAAAAIIIIIIILLLLLLL

I would rather Eerbus try than Abbaddon fail again, but even he isn't the one to do it. He isn't a great Leader of armies, and he isn't a tactician. He's a figurehead, one that isn't generally trusted by the traitors. The advantages he has are his power within The Word Bearers, the largest traitor Legion and his affinity with all four powers. Abbaddon has latter, his main advantage being the amount of influence and respect he commands across all the Legions.

iproxtaco wrote:I would rather Eerbus try than Abbaddon fail again, but even he isn't the one to do it. He isn't a great Leader of armies, and he isn't a tactician. He's a figurehead, one that isn't generally trusted by the traitors. The advantages he has are his power within The Word Bearers, the largest traitor Legion and his affinity with all four powers. Abbaddon has latter, his main advantage being the amount of influence and respect he commands across all the Legions.

Erebus is deeply involved in the 13. Black Crusade.

Which for all intents and purposes, failed.

iproxtaco wrote:Which for all intents and purposes, failed.

Nonsense. The 13. Black Crusade background book from 2004 makes it pretty clear. The Cadian system is engulfed in warpstorms and Quarren's mauled fleet (
Admiral Quarren reports that the bulk of his fleet sdestroyed, many vessels having paid the ultimate price to ensure the Farseer of Ulthwe the time to complete his mission The 13.Black Crusade p.87 ) is the only thing which prevents an overwhelming victory for the forces of Chaos. There are no imperial reinforcements in sight ( thanks to the mentioned warpstorms ), both the Planetkiller and the Blackstone fortress are still at large and for the first time in 10000 years the forces of Chaos have a foothold in the Cadian system and it is uncertain if they can ever be repelled.

Even the members of the Cadian Highcommand are convinced that this time the black crusade cannot be confined to the Cadian gate ( The 13. Black Crusade p.156). So no, the 13. Black Crusade was a success, no matter what the imperial fanboys like to claim.

Sephyr wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:A manipulative Word Bearer with little to no influence outside his Legion, and who is generally un-trusted? Nope.

Sure, cunning traitors who like a straight-up fellow like Tzeentch certainly won't cotton to a 'manipulative' type!

Erebus is devoted to Chaos as an ideology, has traction with all four deities, and is a hell of a fighter to boot (in the HH series he beats all the other captains in sparring and is only defeated by Lucius after an exceedingly long fight) and a proven ability to plan ahead, inflitrate and even adjust his schemes on the fly.

Unlike a certain top-knotted fella who comes up wit a doomsday play every thousand years, kills some pawn who only exist to die, and then flees back home with a "Curses! Foiled again!" once the white hats disable his initial charge.

Lucius at that time wasn't as good a fighter as he liked to think. He was a great swordsman, but had no ability to improvise, getting his nose broken finding this out.

Erebus might be able to unite those that worship Chaos, but don't forget that the Iron Warriors, Night Lords and Alpha Legion don't. And the Black Legion would probably be unwilling to follow anyone other than their Warmaster. So that leaves the Word Bearers, some automatons, two Legions that split into small bands because of their insanity and the disease carriers. And even they probably wouldn't follow him.

Alpharius should be the new Warmaster. They wouldn't even know they were fighting for him until the fight was over.

Alpharius is already in charge. The whole black crusades debacles are just a ploy to get the Imperium to over-focus on Cadia while he sets up his plans a lot closer to Terra.

Too easy to convert. I made a convincing genestealer abbadon out of bid bits.

KingDeath wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Which for all intents and purposes, failed.

Nonsense. The 13. Black Crusade background book from 2004 makes it pretty clear. The Cadian system is engulfed in warpstorms and Quarren's mauled fleet (
Admiral Quarren reports that the bulk of his fleet sdestroyed, many vessels having paid the ultimate price to ensure the Farseer of Ulthwe the time to complete his mission The 13.Black Crusade p.87 ) is the only thing which prevents an overwhelming victory for the forces of Chaos. There are no imperial reinforcements in sight ( thanks to the mentioned warpstorms ), both the Planetkiller and the Blackstone fortress are still at large and for the first time in 10000 years the forces of Chaos have a foothold in the Cadian system and it is uncertain if they can ever be repelled.

Even the members of the Cadian Highcommand are convinced that this time the black crusade cannot be confined to the Cadian gate ( The 13. Black Crusade p.156). So no, the 13. Black Crusade was a success, no matter what the imperial fanboys like to claim.

Helps if you consider what I actually said. For all intents and purposes, failed. It's intent was to breach The Gate and allow for wide-scale invasion of The Imperium. The forces of Chaos are still confined to the system.

iproxtaco wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Which for all intents and purposes, failed.

Nonsense. The 13. Black Crusade background book from 2004 makes it pretty clear. The Cadian system is engulfed in warpstorms and Quarren's mauled fleet (
Admiral Quarren reports that the bulk of his fleet sdestroyed, many vessels having paid the ultimate price to ensure the Farseer of Ulthwe the time to complete his mission The 13.Black Crusade p.87 ) is the only thing which prevents an overwhelming victory for the forces of Chaos. There are no imperial reinforcements in sight ( thanks to the mentioned warpstorms ), both the Planetkiller and the Blackstone fortress are still at large and for the first time in 10000 years the forces of Chaos have a foothold in the Cadian system and it is uncertain if they can ever be repelled.

Even the members of the Cadian Highcommand are convinced that this time the black crusade cannot be confined to the Cadian gate ( The 13. Black Crusade p.156). So no, the 13. Black Crusade was a success, no matter what the imperial fanboys like to claim.

Helps if you consider what I actually said. For all intents and purposes, failed. It's intent was to breach The Gate and allow for wide-scale invasion of The Imperium. The forces of Chaos are still confined to the system.

Because the timeline is frozen. The fictional author of the 13. Black Crusade backgroundbook makes it pretty clear that this black crusade will not be stoped at the Cadian gate.

Yeah, it's frozen, and right now, they're confined to the Cadian system. You can't go on future possibilities and state it as fact.

iproxtaco wrote:Yeah, it's frozen, and right now, they're confined to the Cadian system. You can't go on future possibilities and state it as fact.

Then how do you come to the curious conclusion that it failed? As far as the current timeline goes the 13. Black Crusade is still going on, with much of the Cadian gate being held by the forces of Chaos.
The Forces of Chaos aren't even "confined" to the Cadian system as it has been clearly stated, both in the campaign results and the backgroundbook, that the Cadian Gate has been breached and the entire sector ( + parts of the Scarus sector ) is aflame.

Well you don't see them running around The Imperium do you? Abbaddon tried to breach The Gate using everything at his disposal. He gained nothing more than a foothold. Well done.

iproxtaco wrote:Well you don't see them running around The Imperium do you? Abbaddon tried to breach The Gate using everything at his disposal. He gained nothing more than a foothold. Well done.

How could they already run around the Imperium when they have just managed to breach the Cadian Gate and the timeline has been frozen?

Exactly.

iproxtaco wrote:Exactly.

And yet you draw the faulty conclusion that the crusade "for all intends and purposes" failed despite the fact that it is still going on and that Abaddon sucessfuly breached the Cadian Gate.

Then you were prone to the same mistake.