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I like the show a lot. But I've also apparently missed a ton of stuff in the books because people keep pointing out stuff that I didn't know or hadn't thought about. I also nearly threw my book up against a wall when I finished ADWD and I'm not sure I'm really into the series anymore.
Martin needs to look at how other authors handle long series since he can't manage it....
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Jon Snow isn't dead. It's a ploy by Ramsay. Odds are Jon Snow can't die, at least until book 7, because he is in all likelihood Azor Ahai, the Prince Who Was Promised.
Interesting..
Its still going on too long though..
If Lord of the Rings went to 7 books I think id be pissed with that as well!
Spoiler:
Actually, I was partially wrong. Ramsay's letter is about Stannis. I think. Been a couple months since I reread them. Either way, Jon is hinted at being Azor Ahai or at the least one of the 3 other possible dragonriders, the other two being Tyrion (possibly a son of Aerys) and the last one being Aegon (assuming he is indeed Aegon).
Brienne is an important character, but her part went on a bit too long. The only POV character I consider pointless is Bran because I think any role he is going to have in 6 and 7 will be forced.
The series is considerably more complex than LotR, it's not simply forces of good against Mordor/Others. Hell, most of the realm doesn't even consider them real at this point.
Actually, I was partially wrong. Ramsay's letter is about Stannis. I think. Been a couple months since I reread them. Either way, Jon is hinted at being Azor Ahai or at the least one of the 3 other possible dragonriders, the other two being Tyrion (possibly a son of Aerys) and the last one being Aegon (assuming he is indeed Aegon).
Brienne is an important character, but her part went on a bit too long. The only POV character I consider pointless is Bran because I think any role he is going to have in 6 and 7 will be forced.
The series is considerably more complex than LotR, it's not simply forces of good against Mordor/Others. Hell, most of the realm doesn't even consider them real at this point.
Spoiler:
Ramsay's letter was, indeed, about Stannis, not Jon Snow. But, Jon is pretty clearly Azor Ahai, IMO (he was just killed under a red star (the bleeding knight with a star on his chest) with smoke (from his wounds) and salt (from the tears)). My theory is that he will warg into Ghost, his body will be placed in one of the cells in the wall, his body will come back as an other, and then he'll warg back into the body (don't forget the vision Daenerys had of a blue flower growing from a wall of ice).
I don't think Bran's part will be too forced. I think there will be a huge alliance forming in the north, between the Watch, the Children, the Wildlings, and Daenerys. He'll play a critical role in joining the children to that alliance.
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Eh, Bran just feels pointless so far to me. I can at least justify every other POV character to myself. Brienne is the key to Jaime's redemption, Sansa is the probable heir to House Stark (despite being female) and is possibly going to become the master manipulator Cersei thought she was thanks to Petyr's tutelage, etc
Edit: Yeah, apparently my dad has gotten into the series.
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Slarg232 wrote:Holy crap, my sister in law is watching the first episode, it's more like sex with swords than anything else
Yeah, it's an HBO series. They really go out of their way to include topless women.
It's not nearly as out-of-place in later episodes (apart from 1 or 2 scenes). The first episode really took every opportunity they could to include nudity.
sebster wrote:
It really isn't, because it goes so far the other way. A society where the betrayals frequently accepted in ASOI&F would be no society at all. No-one could trust anyone to pay a fair price for their produce, or to cook them their meal.
To be fair, the betrayals seem to be confined to the upper class and mercenaries, which has a historical basis.
I mean, the landsknecht system was a thing, and Richard III was a person (and a play).
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
but that's the world for you, almost nothing is black & white, just shades of grey
Well, one theory...
Spoiler:
...is that he was Rhaegar's son, and that Ned lied to keep Robert from killing him. Its based on Ned's reluctance to tell Jon, or anyone else, about the circumstances surrounding his conception.
DONT OPEN IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS!
Spoiler:
Rhaegars and Lyannas (Neds sister) son, that is. (most likely)
How am I supposed to see season two here in germany?? I have to see it! But how?
I use www.watchseries.eu
It has episodes 1&2 up already
Experiment 626 wrote:They certainly covered alot in the premier, trying to get in a bit of what's happening across all the main characters, so it did come across as a wee bit rushed. But then, I see it as nessessary because they'll likely cater a bit more towards those who haven't read the books in order to keep them interested. (and hopefully encourage them to read the books as well?!)
The only things I felt a bit cheated on;
a) Melisandre came across as a bit hammy. I was hoping for a bit more of the fanatical & self agrandising attitude than what we did see. (because she is you know, a power-mad religious nutter who's also an evil witch!)
b) They killed Dany's Silver!!!
c) They didn't include Tyrion's mocking of Cersi after she dismisses the rest of the Small Council!
A) Meh: the main bit that concerned me was the whole give me son bit with Stannis
B)I know, she wasa riding silver when some random horse died :(
C)That was hilarious, one of the reasons I love Tyrion.
Will be interesting to see it JS is reborn or not: but was't he supposed to have a Dragon?
I still don't like Bran's story too much: took too long IMO. And Arya's is just dull to me now....
I have read them all and am now re-reading ACOK just to see how well it follows
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but that's the world for you, almost nothing is black & white, just shades of grey
Well, one theory...
Spoiler:
...is that he was Rhaegar's son, and that Ned lied to keep Robert from killing him. Its based on Ned's reluctance to tell Jon, or anyone else, about the circumstances surrounding his conception.
DONT OPEN IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS!
Spoiler:
Rhaegars and Lyannas (Neds sister) son, that is. (most likely)
How am I supposed to see season two here in germany?? I have to see it! But how?
I use www.watchseries.eu
It has episodes 1&2 up already
You mean like season 2 episode 2 is up? the one I can't see til sunday?
ghosty wrote:So, has anyone else been watching it? Are you enjoying it? Do you think pouring molten gold on someone is a bit extreme?
I think having liquid gold poured onto me would be preferable to watching another episode.
[I have just watched been made to watch by some soon-to-be-ex-friends the first episode. A more tedious waste of time I've yet to encounter. Even watching Voyager was preferable to this. Cliche-ridden middle-ages 'fantasy' tripe. I have never been a fan of GRR Martin's fantasy books, though. His SF was passable, and he is an amiable enough chap with a beer in his hand - but I won't watch another second of it.]
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
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That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
but that's the world for you, almost nothing is black & white, just shades of grey
Well, one theory...
Spoiler:
...is that he was Rhaegar's son, and that Ned lied to keep Robert from killing him. Its based on Ned's reluctance to tell Jon, or anyone else, about the circumstances surrounding his conception.
DONT OPEN IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS!
Spoiler:
Rhaegars and Lyannas (Neds sister) son, that is. (most likely)
How am I supposed to see season two here in germany?? I have to see it! But how?
I use www.watchseries.eu
It has episodes 1&2 up already
You mean like season 2 episode 2 is up? the one I can't see til sunday?
Yep
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Chromedog, do you like anything that other people like?
It feels like you post in just about every pop culture thread to say that whatever is being discussed is crap.
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Matter of fact, I do like some things that other people like (but my reasons for liking them may not be the same as theirs') but that kind of fantasy is not one of them. I quite like Labyrinth (though whether it was because of Jennifer Connelly and despite Bowies codpiece or something else, I can't say) and the Dark Crystal, for example - but the art of Brian Froud does appeal. I like Terry Pratchett, too (except for his early discworld stuff which was bad).
I've had beers with George (he was GoH at a convention here back in the 80s) and read several of his books (most of which I liked), and as I said, he was quite an amiable and personable chap.
Most pop-culture IS crap, though. It, like everything else, is a matter of subjective opinion. One can't have an objective opinion as it will always be coloured by one's point of view and experiences.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
The whole season in 3 days, good if you have a recorder.
Now I watch it every evening and are still at 50%.
I must say the first 25% are pretty slow, but that is propably because they took a lot of time to introduce the setting and the characters. Now its really entertaining.
Chromedog is entitled to his artistic opinion without being hammered for it.
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Well dogma I must disagree here, chromedog gave 'artistic' reasons for dismissing Game of Thrones. He passed no judgement on acting quality or presentation, though he yet may. He considered it crap because it was:
Franklly I couldn't disagree more, Game of Thrones is I think the best series currently being made, and to me is the most anticipated.
Though I certainly can agree to the principle of using Voyager as a yardstick for bad TV.
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If GoT is indeed "cliche ridden medieval fantasy tripe" I'd love an example of a fantasy series that isn't because aside from Moorcock's work I can't think of a single series that breaks fantasy stereotypes as much a GoT does. That's not to say its perfect or without cliches, but it doesn't hop in bed with Tolkien in order to produce yet another lame knock off.
Amaya wrote:If GoT is indeed "cliche ridden medieval fantasy tripe" I'd love an example of a fantasy series that isn't because aside from Moorcock's work I can't think of a single series that breaks fantasy stereotypes as much a GoT does. That's not to say its perfect or without cliches, but it doesn't hop in bed with Tolkien in order to produce yet another lame knock off.
Agreed.
GoT doesn't really follow most of the standard Fantasy tropes. There's no elves, dwarves, or orcs. There's no wizards running around casting fireball. There's no clear-cut "evil guy" like you see in most fantasy.
There are dragons, and there are knights, and lords, and those things. There's also some magic, but it really isn't to the same extent that most fantasy is.
But, I think all of this comes across in the books more than the TV show. If you've only watched the TV show, it does look a lot more like LotR. And, this is even more true if you've just seen previews or read summaries and not actually watched it.
Monster Rain wrote:
I keep hearing people rant and rave about Breaking Bad. Still haven't watched it.
I haven't seen much of it, and what I saw was good, but I don't think to watch more of it, or look forward to new episodes the way I do with GoT.
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Amaya wrote:If GoT is indeed "cliche ridden medieval fantasy tripe" I'd love an example of a fantasy series that isn't because aside from Moorcock's work I can't think of a single series that breaks fantasy stereotypes as much a GoT does. That's not to say its perfect or without cliches, but it doesn't hop in bed with Tolkien in order to produce yet another lame knock off.
Its basically impossible to write a work of fiction that is simultaneously believable, and free from cliches because we, as people, generally expect certain things to happen.
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