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htj wrote:

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

I've purchased a Chaplain terminator for 15 bucks. That's been the only thing I've got so far. The rest of my money is going towards Comic-Con and school. I don't really hate Gee-Dubya as much as other people and I don't recall saying that I was quitting so I think I'm good.

That being said, I plan on purchasing any further 40k products from eBay because the normal stuff is so danged expensive now.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Can't say that I have noticed any withdrawal symptoms from going cold turkey.

Me neither. I've found that another scifi universe with nice minis makes for a great hobby and pretty much cures any cravings too!



This is what my grey knights army became in April when I decided to not start one (unfortunately decided AFTER spending a dozen hours scouring the web saving any pics/tutorials on true-scale marines I could find...). Anyone else got pics of what they've bought INSTEAD of spending their money on GW?

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Not according to GW and some blinkered fans
GW IS THE Hobby

Implying that GW has exclusive rights, all others being fakes and frauds.
And while they continue to think this they will get a two fingered gesture from myself and others.

CT GAMER wrote:Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Yes indeed, I just have an allergic reaction to GW being portrayed as the only hobby. The Hobby, if you will. Since I now know that's not what you intended, I have a better understanding of what you're trying to say. However, the way you put it there implied that one would only visit this site to discuss The Hobby, i.e. GW games and miniatures. I took umbrage at this, hence my attempt to be clever.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Not according to GW and some blinkered fans
GW IS THE Hobby

Implying that GW has exclusive rights, all others being fakes and frauds.
And while they continue to think this they will get a two fingered gesture from myself and others.

I think the confusion is that Hobby was not capitalized. In web-sarcasm, the GW Hobby should be delineated from lesser Voldemort predecessors by making it a proper noun starting with a capital H, as befitting for a company as esteemed as GW who lay claim to inventing the arrow symbol and Romans.

I've just bought 12 of these



to use for Broadsides when the Tau Federation codex gets updated.

They cost me only £4 each shipped to the UK. Obviously there is some adaptation needed so I've test assembled one to figure out what to do on a production line basis.

I'll probably sculpt and cast some kind of a Smart Missile System for them.

There's also my pile of 1/48th scale seaplanes to be worked on.

I sold my Marine army over a year ago to pay for a vacation with my now fiancé, and it was just too expensive to get back in. I have no hatred or disgust towards GW, they just cost way too much to even buy second-hand for me. The last GW product I'll be buying for the foreseeable future is the Kampgruppe Normandy rulebook, and some paints.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Not according to GW and some blinkered fans
GW IS THE Hobby

Implying that GW has exclusive rights, all others being fakes and frauds.
And while they continue to think this they will get a two fingered gesture from myself and others.

...And that's just it...

GW is not the "Be all..end all" to the "Hobby"...they're are lot's of other games out there to play and plenty other minis to paint
No one is "chained" to GW....nor should anyone feel the "need" to fork their cash over to GW if they don't wish to simply because GW postures as " THE HOBBY"...it's nonsense.

Just walk away....

Grot 6 wrote:Just walk away....

* Dear Sir,

...Due to your obvious infringement upon our established IP, we have no choice but to issue this warning to cease and desist from said usage...

.." Friday the 13th part XIII...Jason goes to GW"...

CT GAMER wrote:

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Wow a whole two weeks or so? What a Martyr!!!

Check back with us in six months to a year, I bet most will be back sucking at the GW teet...

Ok, not sure how or why I qualify for Martyr status, but I guess this is the internet, so anything is possible.

Reading all the ensuing posts related to this statement, I think, for myself and many others, once you stop focusing on the great GW and their line of products, any new shiny thing that comes out will kinda lose it's relevance in terms of your gaming needs......and going out and purchasing single minis just for painting is no longer an option for me anyway.

Since leaving GW, while I still have my IG army, I have no real reason to purchase anything more for it, let alone from GW. I've recently invested in Malifaux (awesome game!) and Infinity, and I know there are some great games on the horizon, like Studio McVeys coming Sci Fi game, the new PP Sci Fi game and loads more.....for my painting and display needs, I'm going exclusive 54mm from the likes of Draconia, Enigma, Andrea and other companies.

With all of this, remind me why I need to go suck at GW's teet?

Delephont wrote:

With all of this, remind me why I need to go suck at GW's teet?

My point was that 2-3 weeks of boycotting/walking away means nothing. In fact i would hope those that have declared self-exodus could last that long or conviction was dubious to begin with.

Short term anyone can make all manner of claims in the heat of the moment.

My point was that the true test will be to check with people in six months, a year, two years five years, or to see if GW experiencing any noticable reduction in the player base over these same spans.

Very few that I have seen walk away in the past couple decades have stayed away for good.

Very few that I have seen walk away in the past couple decades have stayed away for good.

GW's marketing strategy is based on kids walking away for good


Not sure that permanent self imposed exile was mentioned by everyone.
If all things remain equal then yes it will be for good for me.
Others just have had enough and it will be permanent and some will drift back into GW's welcoming embrace.
(aka squeezing the last drop of blood )

Anecdotal evidence suggests that peer groups are perhaps the important issue for some.
If there are sufficient numbers willing to play Warmahordes etc then they will be more likely take up other games rather than not have someone to play against,
or conversley stick with GW games if no one else in their group switches.

I think a lot of people are more like me.

I gave up full price GW stuff after the 2010 price hikes. Since then I've picked up a fair bit of secondhand Tyranid stuff off eBay, and a couple of kits I needed in a hurry, to finish the army for a tournament.

If and when the Tau Federation codex is updated, I'll certainly buy that, because I have a Tau army. I would buy an awesome model like the Orca gunship from Summer of Fliers.

On the whole, though, I will substitute alternatives for models in my IG and SM armies, and I won't start any new armies.

I won't by any means have walked away from 40K, but my spending on GW will remain low.

I think one of the most positive things to come of all of this, is peoples willingness to explore alternatives, and in some cases even go as far as "actively advertising" alternative games systems and companies.....in short, things are good.

As far as going back is concerned....lets not forget affordability. I may fancy picking a few gaming pieces up from GW, but with the prices as they are, it's far to simple to second guess your decision to purchase....which means no impulse buying. Let's not also forget, GW can only really ever raise their prices....theres no real going back for them, I think even a price freeze would be difficult.

Well Warhammer Fantasy is gone and mostly sold, still getting 40K, but cheaper where I can, trades and ebay 2nd hand.
Aurelia needs more Dark Eldar occasionally, and I'll still be buying my eldest lad some Necons if they appear.

Got into Infinity as well, really liking the models, considering a second faction soon.
Also considering going after some Specialist Games stuff off ebay and other sites. More Mordheim, restarting Necromunda, possibly restarting Warhammer Quest again.

Oddly my GW spending is up this year, but only as for the past three previous its been nigh on non existant and of course nearly of that is via discount stores.

I haven't bought anything from GWS so far this year, I'd guess, and maybe a bit before that. Maybe 9 months. I got a boxed Stormraven off ebay in November, pretty sure that's the last kit I bought*.

The only things I have bought in the last year would be a few bitz to complete projects I started, like I got 3 Deffguns on Ebay to convert into Lootas and finish my squad. A few little things like that.

It's not so much I "quit GWS" as I felt I had everything I needed, and was so turned off by them that I didn't get things I wanted (ex Grey Knights - I had planned to get these, but didn't like the lore).

I do plan to buy into Necrons when they are released, depending on how they look lorewise when they come out, and if Finecast has been worked out yet.

Then again, like I said, I had planned to get GK. So, we'll see.


Edit: OK, I got one kit this year - a Forge World Boarding Marine that a friend picked up at Adepticon or something like that. So if FW counts, I bought one kit this year.

Same as KK for me - I gave up buying GW stuff after the price rises of 2010 and I haven't bought anything since. Anything I have needed has come via Ebay or second hand so the recent price increases and Finecast debacle haven't really meant much other than a vindication of my own decision to stop buying their stuff.

CT Gamer, to an extent I agree with you. When I see people going "I QUIT THE HOBBY BAWWW!" I always smile a little. But what those people really mean (most of the time), is "I am currently really angry with GW and this is going to stop me making purchases for a while. They might bring out a kit I really like thouh, and by golly I'll feel sheepish when I buy it!"

My drop in spending comes because other people are producing stuff I want at a better price. If 8th edition was a little bit more balanced, I'd probably feel less inclined to jump ship, but it's mostly better value being provided by competitors.

Pretty sure no one that has posted on this thread has reacted like a spoiled four year old here or on the other threads started since the fans hit the gakk back in May (or whenever it was)

There are plenty of very positive posts, as Delphont mentioned, about other sytems and models. Of people adapting very healthily and in a well balanced way to gaming life post THE Hobby
There are plenty of posts from people who are quite happy to buy the odd bit of kit without embarrassment.

The only people going boo hoo are either misunderstanding the nature of the thread or just plain trolling.
Personally I find the propensity to try and undermine someone else's opinion by labelling someone or making baby cry noises rather tiresome and rude. Above all it is a method adopted, paradoxically, in the playground.

Da Boss wrote:CT Gamer, to an extent I agree with you. When I see people going "I QUIT THE HOBBY BAWWW!" I always smile a little. But what those people really mean (most of the time), is "I am currently really angry with GW and this is going to stop me making purchases for a while. They might bring out a kit I really like thouh, and by golly I'll feel sheepish when I buy it!"

My drop in spending comes because other people are producing stuff I want at a better price. If 8th edition was a little bit more balanced, I'd probably feel less inclined to jump ship, but it's mostly better value being provided by competitors.

I don't agree.

I left GW with a smile on my face. !@#$ them.

NOT coming back means just that. There is no, "oh, I miss the beatings, because you love me..." here.

DONE means done. PP, skermish games, other games companies selling for fractions of the cost of a game company that feels the need to @#$% you in the !@# and call it "The Hobby".


FREE is an operative word as well. With as many choices for gaming out there? GW... a fond memory.

What I do have now is a metric s!#$ ton in GW stuff that needs a new home, and I don't want to take a dump on selling it for too low a price, but I don't feel the need to rape you over it.

Call it a "Crisis of Concious", or trying to sell it at a reasonable price, so I can get out with my shirt, and get what I put into it.

THAT is my only issue now.

There is no coming back after the shafting that I felt after that last go around with GW's gak.

They lost a consumer that paid into sometimes 1 to 2,000 to sometimes 5,000 bucks a month on stuff, from paint, to miniatures, to games.

Along with others of the same crowd? They've easily lost 1-20 of the same types of buyers. who have moved on to Flames of War, PP, Boardgames, historicals, etc.

Each month, a few more step away from the table, and move out to new games.

Malfaux, now... In a few more months, Infinity.


My Infinity stuff will be paid for by GW's product...along with a few other game systems and some smaller companies FULL ranges for the prices of one GW army.


There is nothing that they can do to get me back as a customer now. It's too late.

Chibi, you misunderstand me. I am not claiming anyone in this thread has been unreasonable. But you've got to have seen the people making strong statements, using words like "disgusting" to describe the price rise- strong emotive language. It's amusing to some of us because we've seen it all before, and we've seen some of those same people post later on about things they have bought or want to buy from GW. Better if they left the emotive, dramatic language out of it altogether. Apologies though if my joke (BAAAAWW) has offended you. My girlfriend uses it on me every time I whinge about something, and it's perhaps lost it's impact on me .

People saying they are disgusted by price rises does not sound the same as a baby bawling

It is human nature to complain about price rises. It would be more baffling if people said whoopeee a price rise! How delightful, I will get even less for my pennies and the bairns will have to starve.

If prices rise for legitimate reasons it is a pain but that is the way the bee bumbles. As per metal costs.
When prices rise, because that is what we do regardless of economic factors; or switching to a cheaper material and charging more than the material you switched out of because that is such a volotile commodity...

Well I can see why people get pissed off. To denegrate and mock them for it, whilst hypocritically behaving like a child, is disrespectful, and actually now I think of it, against Rule #1

I am not offended, just rather tired of these cheap adhominem tactics. If someone disagrees they are inevitably whinging or whining or a hater, white knighting or an apologist or whatever is a la mode. So everything they say must of course be wrong mustn't it?.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:People saying they are disgusted by price rises does not sound the same as a baby bawling

It is human nature to complain about price rises. It would be more baffling if people said whoopeee a price rise! How delightful, I will get even less for my pennies and the bairns will have to starve.

If prices rise for legitimate reasons it is a pain but that is the way the bee bumbles. As per metal costs.
When prices rise, because that is what we do regardless of economic factors; or switching to a cheaper material and charging more than the material you switched out of because that is such a volotile commodity...

Well I can see why people get pissed off. To denegrate and mock them for it, whilst hypocritically behaving like a child, is disrespectful, and actually now I think of it, against Rule #1

I am not offended, just rather tired of these cheap adhominem tactics. If someone disagrees they are inevitably whinging or whining or a hater, white knighting or an apologist or whatever is a la mode. So everything they say must of course be wrong mustn't it?.

Well said Chibi..

We are not "bawling" or pitching a fit...our complaints are quite valid.

It was a joke Chibi. I've seen you make your share of jokes, and it isn't a childish thing to do.

It is human nature to complain about price rises, true. But some posts cast them as some sort of deep ethical affront.

The flip side of you being tired of ad hominens, is that many are tired of the same old outrage every time the prices go up. I don't like GW corporate at all, but I don't see what they are doing as any more than poor business.
My comment was directed at a minority of posters who go too far with their griping and into drama llama territory.

I don't think my post fell into the boring as hell GW Cynics vs. GW Apologist territory, if you did, alright.

@ Da Boss

I understand your point. I actually saw the inverse a few weeks back on here. There was this one kid who swore he would carry on supporting GW no matter what, and blah blah blah...he had his reasons etc.....I actually called him out for being a troll (you had to be there) anyway, people jumped to his defense and backed him up.....THE SAME DAY, this dude posts on another thread that he's through with GW because of the price hikes.....what a prick?!

Yep, these people are out there, and in both camps. Still, we have to take what people say at face value until they prove themselves to be less than they say.

I got my gaming group at my university into 40k last year.

And now because of the recent price rises and the 6th edition rumors, a lot of us switched over to Warmahordes.

I'm personally enjoying every single game I play with the system, in addition to the fact that I don't feel ripped off when buying GW models.

I've not bought any GW products since the most recent price hike, but have picked up an Infinity starter set.

I'm still playing 40K, but am seriously considering selling my Tyranids -- they were always pretty weak, and the last 2 army releases have made them weaker still. I'll stick with my Dark Angels, and my "Grey Knights" (most of which are actually Inquisitorial minis, and none of which are GKs from the new range).

I've spent roughly $400/month on Warmahordes.

It really is a great gaming system, and far more rewarding (as in, I feel more personal satisfaction, personally, based on my personal opinion) than 40k ever was.

Other GW players are jumping ship now and switching over, and they also get kinda mindblown on how good a game system it is.

The closest I've come to playing a GW game in the last few months was helping the store owner run a 40k tournament and telling a guy I'd loan him an army for 'Ard Boyz.

Correction Boss
Jokes are not necessarily childish
but am guilty of schoolboy humour

all too frequently