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pretre wrote:
Black Rage wrote:
pretre wrote:
Black Rage wrote:My goal this year? have 2500 points in less than 5 kps.

Draigo and Paladins. Done.

Keep in mind that KP denial only helps you in the first scenario.


But scenario 3 is vp, with less than 5 kps, the vps MIGHT be a little harder to come by.

True, keep in mind that I only have to kill half of your 800 point Paladin squad to get half points though.

Still tough, but not as bad as KP where 1 remaining paladin screws me.

Be careful with that low of a number with lascannons everywhere, and oh the Dark Lances as I have a feeling the DE will be out this year.

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Honestly guys, really? Pretty sure the model does not come from your army list. Just a regular troop model you havelying around. Remember to K.I.S.S.

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To be really simple, just state to pull out a random model from your own collection rather than use your opponent's random model.

It's poorly written, but pretty certain it is a model from your own army that is exchanged with your opponent.

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jspyd3rx wrote:Honestly guys, really? Pretty sure the model does not come from your army list. Just a regular troop model you havelying around. Remember to K.I.S.S.


Hi... Welcome to GW.

This is almost a copy of the RTT Mission and in that one you gave your opponent a model from you army list. In effect you lost a model to play with. The only difference is in that mission the traitor could not join units like it can now.

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Hi everyone. First time poster and this will be my first tourney. I'm looking for clarification on something. Any help would be appreciated.

I understand that your army list must stay the same from start to finish but could you adjust who goes where in between games? Example: Game 1, Warboss enters with Snikrot and Kommandos and game 2 he starts in a Battlewagon with some boys. Same list, different composition.

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fsuvball wrote:Hi everyone. First time poster and this will be my first tourney. I'm looking for clarification on something. Any help would be appreciated.

I understand that your army list must stay the same from start to finish but could you adjust who goes where in between games? Example: Game 1, Warboss enters with Snikrot and Kommandos and game 2 he starts in a Battlewagon with some boys. Same list, different composition.

Thanks in advance!

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Thanks Pretre! That makes my list a lot more effective.
   
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Where to deploy or attach an Independent Character is a decision made in deployment, not when you make the army list. This works the same between any two games with the same list; tournament or not.

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Stormrider wrote:Scenario 1: Is an old one, but very much a winnable mission for any army. Massacres may be hard to come by (especially for horde armies and MSU armies, these will have so many that tabling may be the only way to massacre). I personally have 19 KP, a little high but still reasonable.

Scenario 2: I love this mission, Seize ground with a mandatory 5 objectives, plus table quarters. This will force armies to be maneuverable or lose in a hilariously awful fashion. I can't wait to see the carnage at the table center.

Scenario 3, Old fashioned assassination game. It's also great to see VP's again. This will favor hordes more than any other army. This also bones armies with extremely expensive HQ's, Swarmlord's are an automatic non take, Draigo will be pretty difficult to justify, Vect will be a pretty large points bomb. This could be a heartbreaker scenario if the HQ is essential to the army's destructive capabilities.


Unless they change it, you can nominate any HQ, so you can choice a cheap HQ to be double points.


Of course that's an option, although that could be a pretty tall task for DE player who has shoehorned Vect+Dais into their list and now has to take an Archon/Haemonculus that they don't really need or can afford to cram into their list and hope their opponent ignores the 440 point HQ choice. Even blowing up the Dais is worth 200.


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440? Hah! Try running a bloodthirster. And fateweaver then compare....

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Clauss wrote:440? Hah! Try running a bloodthirster. And fateweaver then compare....


Alas, one of the three Codexes I don't have. Although, 440 is Vect's base cost. He's worth 880 in the scenario if taken as the "General"

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Clauss wrote:440? Hah! Try running a bloodthirster. And fateweaver then compare....


Last weekend at Maul at the Mall, there was a mission where HQ's were worth double VPs. Someone was running Fateweaver and he got sniped. . .666 pts. to the opponent.

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I hope that a table counts as a Massacre this year. Even if it is objectives youve obviously eliminated all threats to your side getting whatever was important enough to fight over. A major victory isnt enough

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Sorry storm, didnt mean to come off as a "1 up'er"
But yeah, my classic list has 333 pt fateweaver, and a 255 point bloodthirster, and for ard boyz he is 270...Yayyy..gotta make sure they dont die.

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Chosen Praetorian wrote:I hope that a table counts as a Massacre this year. Even if it is objectives youve obviously eliminated all threats to your side getting whatever was important enough to fight over. A major victory isnt enough


I hope the opposite. If I don't have my army in position to hold enough objectives to qualify for the Massacre, then I didn't earn it.

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Clauss wrote:Sorry storm, didnt mean to come off as a "1 up'er"
But yeah, my classic list has 333 pt fateweaver, and a 255 point bloodthirster, and for ard boyz he is 270...Yayyy..gotta make sure they dont die.


It's all good man, that is brutal with Fateweaver and a Thirster. That's so much points on the line regardless which one you pick.

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So, I have a question, as I have never been in a tournament before. When they list "special rules" what exactly does that mean?

 
   
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Shadowseer_Kim wrote:So, I have a question, as I have never been in a tournament before. When they list "special rules" what exactly does that mean?



Those are the Universal Special Rules and Deployment rules from the BRB.

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So that means that those are the Special rules being allowed for that mission?


I know what special rules are when it comes to general game play. I am just not sure why they would list some for each mission.

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It really depends on the tournament and the mission. Some missions have their own special rules. Some list out which core rulebook "special rules" (in terms of deployment, usually, but anything which impacts both players) are allowed.

I think this is a sloppy area with these missions and they need to clean it up a bit. In 3rd ed and 4th ed each mission clearly specified which were in effect; not all allowed Deep Strike, or Infiltrate, for example. But the default in 5th ed is for all the special rules relating to deployment (scouting, infiltrating, outflanking, deep striking, etc.) to be in effect. Seize the Initiative is also always in effect in the core book missions. The rules for a new mission should clearly state if they're diverging from the standards set by the book missions.

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Mannahnin wrote:
Chosen Praetorian wrote:I hope that a table counts as a Massacre this year. Even if it is objectives youve obviously eliminated all threats to your side getting whatever was important enough to fight over. A major victory isnt enough


I hope the opposite. If I don't have my army in position to hold enough objectives to qualify for the Massacre, then I didn't earn it.


If an opponent is tabeled the remaining player gets to play the remaining turns alone. Should be plenty of time to take objectives, unless the other side killed too many scoring units. Then the remaining player did not score or deserve a massacre because he lost too many troops in the process.

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Exactly, yes. Play out whatever time/turns are left, certainly. If you are too crippled and/or too out of position to grab all the objectives you needed to in order to earn a Massacre, then so be it.

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ok this is probably obvious but this will be my first ard boys and I want to make sure...

How does losing the model in scenario one affect my special weapons? My son can give up a scout with no worries, but I only have assault squads or death company so going below the 5 or 10 level would take that weapon away.

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JS9272 wrote:ok this is probably obvious but this will be my first ard boys and I want to make sure...

How does losing the model in scenario one affect my special weapons? My son can give up a scout with no worries, but I only have assault squads or death company so going below the 5 or 10 level would take that weapon away.

Thanks


Wouldn't affect it at all, your list is your list. When you start the day you create a legal list, 10 models in a unit, take x number special weapons. Giving one up doesn't effect this, it's just a during-game effect.
   
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Wow, way to clarify GW, those are the same as originally posted, I for one am going to lobby with my local TO that it is a 25mm model regardless...

Simply, both players choose a troops infantry model and remove them and are given a stock 25mm model...

Any one who really wants to make a big thing of the rules is really just trying to nab an exploit (using a tervigon or Dread) which is fine by me because I am positive this won't fly where I game...

   
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Interesting...

Mission 1 is Pitched Battle with nightfight. Mission 3 is Dawn of War without Nightfight?

   
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Dashofpepper wrote:Interesting...

Mission 1 is Pitched Battle with nightfight. Mission 3 is Dawn of War without Nightfight?

Mission 1 is Pitched Battle with Night Fight (Turn 1)
Mission 2 is Spearhead with Night Fight (Turn 6)
Mission 3 is Dawn of War which according to P93 of the RB is Night Fight (Turn 1)

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