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rockerbikie wrote:
Why do people hate the Chapter?
They have their own codex and that pisses everyone of because it's not their chapter. They seems to be hated more than the Ultra-marines. The only non-hated Marine Chapter with their own Codex is the Black Templar because they have not recieved an update.

Alas, Black Templar are hated because we have a Codex of our own despite being a "mere" second founding chapter, while the Salamanders, White Scars, Iron Hands etc. don't.

rockerbikie wrote:
Intersting use of a Simile. It is not murdering any of the fluff. You have just misinterpreted every edition of Space Wolf fluff. Congratulations! I also fixed your post. Thank me later.


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Soladrin wrote:I was referring to the BL stuff on SW actually.

As for GK, read the codex properly, the fluff isn't that bad. Draigo isn't awesome, he's really really sad.

WTF's a simile...

And honestly, if you don't see the fluff mistakes in the two SW omnibusses talking to you has no more use.

As for the the Draigo part, go read it again.

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:They are mostly hated because of the badly written fluff, and codex creep.

Bad Fluff? Have you read any Black Library books with them in it?


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Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I don't understand why people hate Space Wolves so much. So what if they seem to be Drunken Vikings on the outside. If fact, they are brilliant strategists and are actually very intelligent capable marines that makie the Ultra-marines jealous.

They are superstitious, ignorant savages that are the second biggest Mary Sues in the 40K universe after Draigo.

They are Norseman not Politically correct Friendly Space Politicans. They are far from Mary Sues. They swear, drink, smoke and do other violent things. I would be ok if you said they are the Manowar of Warhammer 40k but they are no Mary Sue.


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iproxtaco wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Da SPESS WHULVES for being special snowflake super marines.

Very rich coming from someone with their dakka advancement quote being the ULTRAmahrines!!!!

Thank god that's a joke. Ultramarines are dogmatic paragons of virtue. Space Wolves are a band of stupidly hypocritical drunken special snowflake Space Vikings with a wolf fetish.

I thought people could read posts online but I guess my post was ignored.

Yes, multiple times and it's a fun read. I'll give you that, it's also written like crap, and murders any existing fluff. Hi mister navigator with your third eye unblinkered.

Intersting use of a Simile. It is not murdering any of the fluff. You have just misinterpreted every edition of Space Wolf fluff. Congratulations! I also fixed your post. Thank me later.

Pedantic grammar correction aside, ever stopped to consider that you might be wrong on your interpretation? At the very least you could make your point without appearing like an arrogant fool.

Soladrin wrote:I was referring to the BL stuff on SW actually.

As for GK, read the codex properly, the fluff isn't that bad. Draigo isn't awesome, he's really really sad.

(Deleted needless and obviously 'trying to hard to be funny' image.)

Yeah, well you've just misinterpreted Draigo's fluff, like almost everyone else. I'd have thought you could since you so expertly deducted the true nature of the Space Wolves. That's sarcasm by the way, you have no idea what your talking about in either instance.

Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, your not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

You're can also mean "you are" you know. The sentence thus would read:

Soladrin wrote:
But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you are not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

You fail. Have a nice day.

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

Brilliant. Continue with this criticism of grammar, it only highlights your inability to respond to the criticism of your original point.

And now we devolve into ad hominum attacks. Good job, guys.

HATERS GONNA HATE

EDIT: Nevermind. How do I delete a post?

Thanks for your only contribution to Dakka so far.

Come on guys! Its a game! I admit, its a very good game, but still, its a game! Calm down!

I agree with the poster above me, geeh no wonder there are wars raging around the world.
Anyhow back on topic, I dont find any particular chapter horribel, althou i prefer Ultra marines & Black Templars over Imperial Fists and Blood angels, but that is more to due with moddels and so on

I think calling for clam is a tad premature. When the mods step in, you know when it's time to take a breather, now though, things are calm on the Internet Hate Meter.

iproxtaco wrote:I think calling for clam is a tad premature. When the mods step in, you know when it's time to take a breather, now though, things are calm on the Internet Hate Meter.

Coulda fooled me! It was starting to feel like 4chan.

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

Yeah, you should totaly ask for perfect grammar in a discussion with someone from a non english speaking country. Not to mention that it's my 4th language.

Ok I'm done now.

Worst chapter?
Must be Imperial Fist, they get slaughtered all the time in fluff.

I hate the Ultramarines like everyone else, but legitimately all of the chapters are pretty solid, playwise. Fluff is a different matter, and on that note I have to go with Space Wolves. Anybody read Battle of the Fang? Pretty solid book until the end when a single Wolf Lord fist fights a m'n f'n primarch.

That crap was fan service anyway. Made Magnus look like a woe-is-me crybaby/vindictive five year old.


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Brother Coa wrote:Worst chapter?
Must be Imperial Fist, they get slaughtered all the time in fluff.

It's bound to happen. Bright yellow armor isn't very inconspicuous.

Sharkvictim wrote:It's bound to happen. Bright yellow armor isn't very inconspicuous.

sad true for us:...
the fans

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:
Why do people hate the Chapter?
They have their own codex and that pisses everyone of because it's not their chapter. They seems to be hated more than the Ultra-marines. The only non-hated Marine Chapter with their own Codex is the Black Templar because they have not recieved an update.

Alas, Black Templar are hated because we have a Codex of our own despite being a "mere" second founding chapter, while the Salamanders, White Scars, Iron Hands etc. don't.

Well, technically the members of the Black Templar are from the original Imperial Fists, who refused to accept the tenants of the Codex Astartes, instead choosing to go on a permanent crusade of penitence for their non-compliance. The current Imperial Fists were all the younger recruits, so technically they would be the latter founding, they just got to keep the original name.


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iproxtaco wrote:I think calling for clam is a tad premature. When the mods step in, you know when it's time to take a breather, now though, things are calm on the Internet Hate Meter.

I concur. Most of the posters on this forum will never see a clam no matter how much they call for it. If they did, I'm sure "premature" would be a key word in that encounter.

As for Draigo, his tale is a parable on the futility of the fight against Chaos. Chaos is going to win, it's just a matter of how long the Knights can keep that from happening. The only obnoxious part of his tale is the Mortarion bit, because even if Mortarion is a bit of a pansy by Primarch standards, he's still a friggin' Primarch. The Battle of the Fang conflict was just as bad, although at least we can try to rationalize that it was a possessed lieutenant, rather than Magnus himself, and his power waning as time went on, since he went from effortlessly shrugging off "enough firepower to level a full company" to being hurt by a power fist.

Soladrin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

Yeah, you should totaly ask for perfect grammar in a discussion with someone from a non english speaking country. Not to mention that it's my 4th language.

Ok I'm done now.

I know guys from Switzerland who have better Grammar skills again. That excuse is invalid.

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

Yeah, you should totaly ask for perfect grammar in a discussion with someone from a non english speaking country. Not to mention that it's my 4th language.

Ok I'm done now.

I know guys from Switzerland who have better Grammar skills again. That excuse is invalid.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

You're can also mean "you are" you know.

I'll just leave this here.

Shayden wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:I think calling for clam is a tad premature. When the mods step in, you know when it's time to take a breather, now though, things are calm on the Internet Hate Meter.

Coulda fooled me! It was starting to feel like 4chan.

Really? Could you point me to a really calm 4chan page? Just seems like you're posting for the sake of posting.

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Oh snap!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But yeah, if you misinterpret Draigo's fluff, you're not gonna have much of an arugment left for the whole SW thing..

If you want to argue with me about the fluff please at least use correct grammar. I don't not own "not gonna have much of an argument left for the whole SW thing".

Don't play this game. Your post is missing a comma, AND you use a double negative?

PLEASE.

(I don't even know what you said in that second sentence, but that might just be a context thing.)

The Soul Drinkers

I wonder if the chapter GW promotes the most always will be the hated one?

I sort of like to ultras, the gold and blue looks just as naive and proud as the regiments in wars from from the 17-century, and it's nice with a chapter without any big emotional issues...even though they lack a bit of character (It's not easy to build a specific Ultramarine list when they are so generic).
And I think some forgets that they are just as xenophobic and superstitious as any other chapter. There is no "good" forces in the imperium.
But I have not yet read many Black Library books where they appear so I cannot tell if I might hate them in the future.


And the wolves...
They just don't fit in. It's like a some kind of comic-relief-but-still-serious-and-powerful-enough-for-kids-to-like chapter. I'm very surprised to discover that they are as old as the second edition. Seems like they should have been cut when GW took the 40k universe on the grim dark path.
But it might be that I as a swede feel that the viking theme is just badly done.

It's only recently that I think they've taken the Space Wolves in the wrong direction. Too childish and special snowflake, where they were kind of cool before the more recent stuff came out.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:I'm not a fan of the iron hands. I dunno why. Just don't like them.

Oh, yes that is agreed. The first chapter to be dropped of, and the Primarch managed to get killed by someone who was trying not to kill him. Fail. Not even Iron Hands can redeem that.

iproxtaco wrote:It's only recently that I think they've taken the Space Wolves in the wrong direction. Too childish and special snowflake, where they were kind of cool before the more recent stuff came out.

They were always unique snowflakes. Even back in 2nd edition they had higher WS/BS and crazy options. Andy Chambers made that one of the beardiest books of all time. I still remember well the 20-man terminator squad with each terminator armed with assault cannons and cyclone missile launchers.

And some over-the-top fluff, too. The infamous "Plague of Unbelief" story bit where the Space Wolves beat up the entire Segmentum Pacifica Navy with their fleets of Battle Barges is from 2E as well.

The basic idea for SW was good, but there have always been times where it was pulled off ... poorly.