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KingDeath wrote:

Viersche wrote:Marines Malevolent. The whole chapter is basically full of sociopathic arseholes

Just like geneticaly altered, superhuman childsoldiers with an unusualy high agression, bound by 10000 years of xeno/genocidial dogma ( which only confirms their perceived superiority over normal humans ) and a lifetime of unimaginable horrors and bloodshed might act.

And originally it was what Space Marine Chapters were all about before beginning their transformation to warrior monks in 2nd Ed. for them to be more akin to younger customers...

nectarprime wrote:It's probably been said, but Space Wolves. I just find them very goofy looking with all the wolf armor, riding wolves, wolf names etc. Space Kitties would be much cooler. Imagine Space Marines riding giant house cats....

I was planning on doing just that as a small joke army, but after this thread I think I may be making a Space Sharks counts-as SW army with weresharks riding sharks. It shall be the worst army of all time.

I don't understand why people hate Space Wolves so much. So what if they seem to be Drunken Vikings on the outside. If fact, they are brilliant strategists and are actually very intelligent capable marines that makie the Ultra-marines jealous.

In the end they are based off Valhalla and the Norse Gods. In Valhalla, it is mythed that people drink all day, fighting and partying, having a blast and enjoying themselves. Yet, people who are into Mythology don't consider Odin to be an idiot.

Why do people hate the Chapter?
They have their own codex and that pisses everyone of because it's not their chapter. They seems to be hated more than the Ultra-marines. The only non-hated Marine Chapter with their own Codex is the Black Templar because they have not recieved an update.

At the end of the day, Space Wolves is a misunderstood chapter.

They are mostly hated because of the badly written fluff, and codex creep.

Ultramarines, never fought in a real war and only once being in a huge battle (for Macragge). Also Vanilla marine codex is full of ultrasmurf pictures so it can be called Codex: UltraSmurfs. Also Matthew Ward's favourite chapter which makes me hate them even more.


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Soladrin wrote:They are mostly hated because of the badly written fluff, and codex creep.

IMHO GK has the worst fluff...ever. And the codex is much better than wolf or any other codex.

I was referring to the BL stuff on SW actually.

As for GK, read the codex properly, the fluff isn't that bad. Draigo isn't awesome, he's really really sad.

Asherian Command wrote:Wait how come no one remembers this chapter?
Marines Malevolent
The bastards shot mortars into a civilian refugee camp because there were orks in the area. Then they killed Imperial Guardsmen for no reason. They killed a few salamanders and they hate other astrates.
Their colors suck. And their fluff makes them out to be a bunch of donkey caves.

Wait, the Marines Malevolent killed Marines from the Salamanders Chapter?

rockerbikie wrote:I don't understand why people hate Space Wolves so much. So what if they seem to be Drunken Vikings on the outside. If fact, they are brilliant strategists and are actually very intelligent capable marines that makie the Ultra-marines jealous.

They are superstitious, ignorant savages that are the second biggest Mary Sues in the 40K universe after Draigo.

Go read Draigo's bit again, he's not a Mary Sue, all his actions have no concequence and he's stuck in the warp, only appearing in the real world when "summoned" For all intents and purposes he's an Imperial daemon.

It's kind of sad.

@Omegus: but that's only since this edition. In this edition, they became so werewolfy, it isn't even funny anymore. When they were introduced in 2nd edition, they were just Space Vikings with a few wolf skulls here and there, and they grew canines over the years. Now they are Space Werewolves with a bit of Norse mythology thrown in, but only a sprinkling. Which I find really, really, sad.

Just like BA have been transformed from Renaissance angelic knightly guys with a hint, really only a single hint in the Codex Imperials, of being vampires, into Space Vampires with serious daddy issues.

So this edition of 40K fluff could alternatively be called Twilight. Got it.

Omegus wrote:So this edition of 40K fluff could alternatively be called Twilight. Got it.

Come to think of it... yes. Now we need a Sororitas codex where they all become black-haired, plain emo chicks. That'd round that new 40K theme out nicely.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:I'm not a fan of the iron hands. I dunno why. Just don't like them.

Could it be because their dream is to become robots?

Coolyo294 wrote:Da SPESS WHULVES for being special snowflake super marines.

Very rich coming from someone with their dakka advancement quote being the ULTRAmahrines!!!!

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Da SPESS WHULVES for being special snowflake super marines.

Very rich coming from someone with their dakka advancement quote being the ULTRAmahrines!!!!

Thank god that's a joke. Ultramarines are dogmatic paragons of virtue. Space Wolves are a band of stupidly hypocritical drunken special snowflake Space Vikings with a wolf fetish.

^ What he said.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Wait how come no one remembers this chapter?
Marines Malevolent
The bastards shot mortars into a civilian refugee camp because there were orks in the area. Then they killed Imperial Guardsmen for no reason. They killed a few salamanders and they hate other astrates.
Their colors suck. And their fluff makes them out to be a bunch of donkey caves.

Wait, the Marines Malevolent killed Marines from the Salamanders Chapter?

Yes they did....
Same with the Caracahadons.

Anoi wrote:in your opinion, which space marine chapter do you consider the worst? not because of in game stats or anything, but because they, say, don't praise the emperor enough, or just aren't manly enough or something along those lines. In my opinion, it would be these fellas http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Rainbow_Warriors

but who do you like the least?(inb4 "matt ward wrote this codex so theyre the worst")

and before yall say anything, this was my "inspiration" for making this thread
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=111515

untill i got to the link the the rainbow warrors i was gonna say them anyway but on the other hand i do have a hatred of ultramarines

Flesh Helms

themocaw wrote:Flesh Helms

Who now?

themocaw wrote:Flesh Helms

Hahaha niiice.

Soladrin wrote:They are mostly hated because of the badly written fluff, and codex creep.

Bad Fluff? Have you read any Black Library books with them in it?


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Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I don't understand why people hate Space Wolves so much. So what if they seem to be Drunken Vikings on the outside. If fact, they are brilliant strategists and are actually very intelligent capable marines that makie the Ultra-marines jealous.

They are superstitious, ignorant savages that are the second biggest Mary Sues in the 40K universe after Draigo.

They are Norseman not Politically correct Friendly Space Politicans. They are far from Mary Sues. They swear, drink, smoke and do other violent things. I would be ok if you said they are the Manowar of Warhammer 40k but they are no Mary Sue.


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iproxtaco wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Da SPESS WHULVES for being special snowflake super marines.

Very rich coming from someone with their dakka advancement quote being the ULTRAmahrines!!!!

Thank god that's a joke. Ultramarines are dogmatic paragons of virtue. Space Wolves are a band of stupidly hypocritical drunken special snowflake Space Vikings with a wolf fetish.

I thought people could read posts online but I guess my post was ignored.

I ignored you because I disagreed, to be honest. Space Wolves are not misunderstood. They are stupid, they are savage, they drink and do non-Space Marine stuff, are huge hypocrites, and are generally better at everything than regular marines, whilst getting away with stuff Chapters have been declared excommunicate for.

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:They are mostly hated because of the badly written fluff, and codex creep.

Bad Fluff? Have you read any Black Library books with them in it?


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Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I don't understand why people hate Space Wolves so much. So what if they seem to be Drunken Vikings on the outside. If fact, they are brilliant strategists and are actually very intelligent capable marines that makie the Ultra-marines jealous.

They are superstitious, ignorant savages that are the second biggest Mary Sues in the 40K universe after Draigo.

They are Norseman not Politically correct Friendly Space Politicans. They are far from Mary Sues. They swear, drink, smoke and do other violent things. I would be ok if you said they are the Manowar of Warhammer 40k but they are no Mary Sue.


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iproxtaco wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Da SPESS WHULVES for being special snowflake super marines.

Very rich coming from someone with their dakka advancement quote being the ULTRAmahrines!!!!

Thank god that's a joke. Ultramarines are dogmatic paragons of virtue. Space Wolves are a band of stupidly hypocritical drunken special snowflake Space Vikings with a wolf fetish.

I thought people could read posts online but I guess my post was ignored.

Yes, multiple times, it's a fun read, I'll give you that, it's also written like crap, and murders any existing fluff. Hi mister navigator with your third eye unblinkered.

Worst: Grey Knights/Smurfs tie

Best: Ive always loved the BTs

I don't hate any Space Marine Chapters...

Except Space Wolves. They can burn in the Warp.

Ultrasmurfs. Their heads are so far up their own asses they are coming out their mouths. Somehow it works.

Coolyo294 wrote:

themocaw wrote:Flesh Helms

Who now?

They're a joke chapter made by taking the worst combination of traits possible from the Rites of Battle book. For instance, they have a faulty Lyman's Ear, but their combat doctrine makes heavy use of drop pods, so they all emerge from their drop pods vomiting and nauseated from motion sickness, if they're not passed out due to their malfunctioning Catalepsian Node. . .

It's quite frankly, awesome.

Soladrin wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Soladrin wrote:They are mostly hated because of the badly written fluff, and codex creep.

Bad Fluff? Have you read any Black Library books with them in it?


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Omegus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I don't understand why people hate Space Wolves so much. So what if they seem to be Drunken Vikings on the outside. If fact, they are brilliant strategists and are actually very intelligent capable marines that makie the Ultra-marines jealous.

They are superstitious, ignorant savages that are the second biggest Mary Sues in the 40K universe after Draigo.

They are Norseman not Politically correct Friendly Space Politicans. They are far from Mary Sues. They swear, drink, smoke and do other violent things. I would be ok if you said they are the Manowar of Warhammer 40k but they are no Mary Sue.


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iproxtaco wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Da SPESS WHULVES for being special snowflake super marines.

Very rich coming from someone with their dakka advancement quote being the ULTRAmahrines!!!!

Thank god that's a joke. Ultramarines are dogmatic paragons of virtue. Space Wolves are a band of stupidly hypocritical drunken special snowflake Space Vikings with a wolf fetish.

I thought people could read posts online but I guess my post was ignored.

Yes, multiple times and it's a fun read. I'll give you that, it's also written like crap, and murders any existing fluff. Hi mister navigator with your third eye unblinkered.

Intersting use of a Simile. It is not murdering any of the fluff. You have just misinterpreted every edition of Space Wolf fluff. Congratulations! I also fixed your post. Thank me later.


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Soladrin wrote:I was referring to the BL stuff on SW actually.

As for GK, read the codex properly, the fluff isn't that bad. Draigo isn't awesome, he's really really sad.