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Space Wolfs. Definitely Space Wolfs. Think about the council of Nakea.

Space Wolf Rune Priest (psyker): PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: Wait, you are a psyker, right?
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO! I am a rune priest!. My power comes from the natural changes of Fenris! PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: No, your power comes from the warp-
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO NO NO, PSYKERS ARE BAD. DIE, DIE DIE! WHY ISN'T THIS LIGHTNING I'M THROWING AT YOU KILLING YOU? DIE DIE DIE!
Mangus: -sigh- Ima go now

Phiasco II wrote:Space Wolfs. Definitely Space Wolfs. Think about the council of Nakea.

Space Wolf Rune Priest (psyker): PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: Wait, you are a psyker, right?
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO! I am a rune priest!. My power comes from the natural changes of Fenris! PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: No, your power comes from the warp-
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO NO NO, PSYKERS ARE BAD. DIE, DIE DIE! WHY ISN'T THIS LIGHTNING I'M THROWING AT YOU KILLING YOU? DIE DIE DIE!
Mangus: -sigh- Ima go now

Ahahahahhahaha I couldn't agree more.

Phiasco II wrote:Space Wolfs. Definitely Space Wolfs. Think about the council of Nakea.

Space Wolf Rune Priest (psyker): PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: Wait, you are a psyker, right?
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO! I am a rune priest!. My power comes from the natural changes of Fenris! PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: No, your power comes from the warp-
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO NO NO, PSYKERS ARE BAD. DIE, DIE DIE! WHY ISN'T THIS LIGHTNING I'M THROWING AT YOU KILLING YOU? DIE DIE DIE!
Mangus: -sigh- Ima go now

"This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries" taken from lexicanum

Sorta suggests that their way of using the warp has been traditional and effective if it has been practised for countless of centuries - see its like the emperor, he uses psychic powers, most of his sons knew this but because the emperor had perfect control of it, it seemed that he was not using the warp, same for rune priests, they are using the warp but for their culture its not but Magnus and the others admitted to using the warp they accepted that they use the same energy as the evil gods hence BAD....

yevix wrote:

Phiasco II wrote:Space Wolfs. Definitely Space Wolfs. Think about the council of Nakea.

Space Wolf Rune Priest (psyker): PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: Wait, you are a psyker, right?
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO! I am a rune priest!. My power comes from the natural changes of Fenris! PSYKERS ARE BAD!
Mangus: No, your power comes from the warp-
Space Wolf Rune Priest: NO NO NO, PSYKERS ARE BAD. DIE, DIE DIE! WHY ISN'T THIS LIGHTNING I'M THROWING AT YOU KILLING YOU? DIE DIE DIE!
Mangus: -sigh- Ima go now

"This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries" taken from lexicanum

Sorta suggests that their way of using the warp has been traditional and effective if it has been practised for countless of centuries - see its like the emperor, he uses psychic powers, most of his sons knew this but because the emperor had perfect control of it, it seemed that he was not using the warp, same for rune priests, they are using the warp but for their culture its not but Magnus and the others admitted to using the warp they accepted that they use the same energy as the evil gods hence BAD....

Their power still comes from the warp, they are still psykers. Thinking that their power comes from shamanistic rituals of Fenris makes me think the Space Wolfs should have been put down for heresy. Doesn't that sound like the very kind of believe the Great Crusade was stamping out wherever they found it?

Considering that the Emperor was supposedly created from the combined souls of a thousand SHAMANS or some crap like that to create the perfect being I would say there is a clear difference between what Magnus was doing and what the rune priests do.

Crimson Fists. During an Ork invasion they shot a missle straight up from their fortress monastery. Then it came back down and killed nearly everyone.

gg, noob.

On the Crimson Fists: Ouch.

yevix wrote:"This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries" taken from lexicanum

Sorta suggests that their way of using the warp has been traditional and effective if it has been practised for countless of centuries - see its like the emperor, he uses psychic powers, most of his sons knew this but because the emperor had perfect control of it, it seemed that he was not using the warp, same for rune priests, they are using the warp but for their culture its not but Magnus and the others admitted to using the warp they accepted that they use the same energy as the evil gods hence BAD....

So the Wolf Priests are deluded hypocrites who are not hypocritical because they're deluded?

I guess they're like Orks. Rationalism really does not have a place in 40k.

Nagashek wrote:Crimson Fists. During an Ork invasion they shot a missle straight up from their fortress monastery. Then it came back down and killed nearly everyone.

gg, noob.

nice knowledge of the fluff. Ancient defense sights on rynns world had to rapidly be brought back to working order before Waagh Snagrod hit. Orks, being orks, exited the warp much closer to the planet that expected, taking many casualties, but arriving way before expected. So PDF of the Rynns world and servitors manned the defense missiles while a portion of Fists was in new rynn city and the rest remained at their monastery. the void shields over both protected the fists, but as the ork firestorm ended; the shields were dropped and the Fists unleased their fury. A missile malfunctioned, drove into the mountain encasing the monastary and some how bypassed the void shield protecting the army. the explosion set off a chain reaction, destroying the monastery and killing many of the fists. about 200-400 (i forget exactly how many and don't care enought to look) Crimson fists survived the battle for rynns world including their chapter master and captain of the 4th, but they emerged triumphant.

So not their fault in any way shape or form, they got unlucky (or if you believe rumors, they were sabotaged). So really bad reason to claim the Crimson Fists are a bad chapter.

Actually Joetaco, that's a good point and I also think as a side note the new Rynn's world book showed how the conception of the 40k universe has changed over the years

That original old piece of art on the cover of 40k (I will post it below just because it's great! ) showed exactly what the 40k universe was about. This was a dark and bitter place - even as they are fighting on, you can see in amongst the shadowy figures in the background and the missiles arching in overhead that these guys are finished. But, despite their impending doom, there was something noble in it - a desperation that acts to be extremely evocative for the reader, of fighting on despite knowing that they were going to die. And this picture was really a microcosm of the entire Imperium, of Humanity being on the slow slide to destruction. All of our science, our progress, it has all gone for nothing and our enemies are waiting at the door to take everything from us. Damn is it dark and haunting, but it was I think a wonderfully unique version of the future in amongst the masses of Hollywood inspired 'good feeling' stuff that was going round at the time - of Han Solo coming back to save Luke and get the girl, of a small band of boys ganging together to put a lost little alien back in touch with its parents. If 40k had made ET, it would have had the parents return and neutron-bomb the earth for trying to vivisect their little kid.

And so the Steve Parker novel. I enjoyed it, but for me it represented a real change of concept of the 40k universe. The single, most notable failure and loss, the one that served had served as a poster, incapsulating the entire ethos of the 40k universe in a single image, had had the rug pulled out from under it. Despite everything, the tremendous loss of marines and destruction of the fortress monastery, the tone and character of the book left you feeling like it had somehow been a victory for the Space Marines. That, for me, has marked a turning point, a mark in the evolution of how the 40k universe is being conceptualised by both the writers and readers. It's a little nicer to swallow, that's for sure, but in my own view it has lost a little something that helped separate it from the crowd.

Correction they are now called the Carcharodons (which if translated correctly = massive shark) Rainbow warriors were annihalted and don't exist anymore so they aren't a contender.

Can I please ask where you got this information from? Is it from the old RT art of the Battle Sister shooting one of them or something more?

++EDIT++ Sorry, forgot I would post this! Even if they are going to die, I still think they are doing it in an awesome looking way

Pacific wrote:

Correction they are now called the Carcharodons (which if translated correctly = massive shark) Rainbow warriors were annihalted and don't exist anymore so they aren't a contender.

Can I please ask where you got this information from? Is it from the old RT art of the Battle Sister shooting one of them or something more?

++EDIT++ Sorry, forgot I would post this! Even if they are going to die, I still think they are doing it in an awesome looking way

Lexicanum, Imperail Armor
Carchardons are the space sharks, but Carchardons are a prehistoric shark.
Rainbow warriors were called heretics by the Inqusition and were wiped out. Lexicanum
Btw the Crimson fists are badasses, and they still survive to this day. They are now above 250 battle brothers at least...

Oh my god. I normally hate everything from RT, but that piece of art is one of the few exceptions to that.
Fething beautiful it is.

Have to agree with Coolyo on the "OHMYGODSOGORGEOUS" thing.

Asherian Command wrote:Carcharodons are the space sharks, but Carcharodons are a prehistoric shark.

Carcharodon is the genus that includes the Great White Shark, so they're not exclusively prehistoric.

OK thanks for that Asherian Command. I may be being a bit slow but Lexicanum doesn't seem to have that information on the Rainbow Warriors. Does anyone have a current space marine codex to hand? I believe the information about the Rainbow Warriors is on p30.

By the way if you guys want to see some great older artwork (some of the commissioned stuff used to be awesome, especially if you like 80's airbrushing and oils technique of art!) check out this thread, skip through the comments though and just look at the pics

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342983.page

Molten Butter wrote:On the Crimson Fists: Ouch.

yevix wrote:"This practice of psychic powers is carried out through the shamanistic rituals of the Fenrisian native tribes and has remained unchanged for countless centuries" taken from lexicanum

Sorta suggests that their way of using the warp has been traditional and effective if it has been practised for countless of centuries - see its like the emperor, he uses psychic powers, most of his sons knew this but because the emperor had perfect control of it, it seemed that he was not using the warp, same for rune priests, they are using the warp but for their culture its not but Magnus and the others admitted to using the warp they accepted that they use the same energy as the evil gods hence BAD....

So the Wolf Priests are deluded hypocrites who are not hypocritical because they're deluded?

I guess they're like Orks. Rationalism really does not have a place in 40k.

Couldn't have put it better myself

Pacific wrote:OK thanks for that Asherian Command. I may be being a bit slow but Lexicanum doesn't seem to have that information on the Rainbow Warriors. Does anyone have a current space marine codex to hand? I believe the information about the Rainbow Warriors is on p30.

By the way if you guys want to see some great older artwork (some of the commissioned stuff used to be awesome, especially if you like 80's airbrushing and oils technique of art!) check out this thread, skip through the comments though and just look at the pics

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342983.page

Your welcome. when it comes to chapter knowledge of the badab war and the horus hersey I am your guy.

Well im gonna have to go with that chapter who is trying to fight fire with fire by using chaos artifacts...

HOW DO YOU THINK THAT IS GONNA TURN OUT

BTWS, dont anyone think of suggesting the Brazen Claws, cause they flew their entire fleet into the Eye of Terror, AND SURVIVED.
They are now fighting on Cadia, and kicking A**

Haven't read all the other contenders, but for me, hands down:
Doom eagles
Jeebus, if i wanne see some emo crap going on i just need to go to a pub around here on the weekend, thats bad enough. Now i get superpowered emos who (at least for me) cut themselves even more than other marines (pain punishment), but hey, they heal. So they are basically super-emos xD

iDevour wrote:Haven't read all the other contenders, but for me, hands down:
Doom eagles
Jeebus, if i wanne see some emo crap going on i just need to go to a pub around here on the weekend, thats bad enough. Now i get superpowered emos who (at least for me) cut themselves even more than other marines (pain punishment), but hey, they heal. So they are basically super-emos xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

Also, please stop saying "emo" as a catchall term for anything whiny, filled with angst or sullen. Develop a larger vocabulary instead of using an already misappropriated title for a genre of music.

EDIT: Just realized you're not a native speaker. Sorry dude.

iDevour wrote:Haven't read all the other contenders, but for me, hands down:
Doom eagles
Jeebus, if i wanne see some emo crap going on i just need to go to a pub around here on the weekend, thats bad enough. Now i get superpowered emos who (at least for me) cut themselves even more than other marines (pain punishment), but hey, they heal. So they are basically super-emos xD

What source? I know they are apathetic but don't remember reading the cutting part?

Oakenshield wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

Also, please stop saying "emo" as a catchall term for anything whiny, filled with angst or sullen. Develop a larger vocabulary instead of using an already misappropriated title for a genre of music.

EDIT: Just realized you're not a native speaker. Sorry dude.

I know what emo is, thank you But even as a subculture that originated from punk..still bleh xD
But tbh i don't care much either way, peopel can do whatever they want.
What i do care about though is making stupid jokes about stereotypes, because they are so stupid you HAVE to laugh at them ^^v
And since space marines DO tend to cut themselves (deeply i might add..brrrr..) to punish themselves (paradigm further down, to answer deathsheads question) and the "all emos cut themselves"-stereotype is so stupid...it just popped into my head.
Being a carebear type of person myself i didn't want to offend anyone, so sorry if that was poorly phrased : )

edit: Btw if you feel the need to correct me, point out errors or add new words to my vocabulary, feel free to do so

Deathshead420 wrote:What source? I know they are apathetic but don't remember reading the cutting part?

Well, about the cutting: In the Ultramarines novels, Pasanius cuts himself so deep to atone for [Removed by Authority of the Holy Inquisition on Terra] that he even has deep scars Uriel Ventris can see later on..and for space marines that has to be one hell of a cut :>
So i guess every SpaceMarine could punish himself that way. I was just taking a jab at the "cutting emo"-stereotype.
There is a short story about the DoomEagle in "Legends of the Space Marines" (i think) that does make me think they never had a good laugh in their whole life though...so thats kinda.. xD

Marines Malevolent are the ultimate dbag marines.

Oakenshield wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

Also, please stop saying "emo" as a catchall term for anything whiny, filled with angst or sullen. Develop a larger vocabulary instead of using an already misappropriated title for a genre of music.

EDIT: Just realized you're not a native speaker. Sorry dude.

Yet that genre is whiny and filled with angst. "Emo" is a perfectly adequate catch-all term, stop being so emo about it.

Brother Ramses wrote:Considering that the Emperor was supposedly created from the combined souls of a thousand SHAMANS or some crap like that to create the perfect being I would say there is a clear difference between what Magnus was doing and what the rune priests do.

In the application maybe. They're still huge hypocrites who use ritualistic methods to unleash the power of the Warp despite decrying other for the same thing.

Space sharks

Yes, Super Snowflake Spess Wulves are AWFUL. I quite like the Ultramarines' "Space Roman" image. They kind of remind meof the Praetorian Guard from Gladiator. Blood Angels are cool, save for their unimaginitive naming traditions. Iron Hands need some love. Stop picking on them. Dark Angels aren't THAT whiney, when you consider fully 50% of them jumped ships. Hawk Lords don't really have such a bad colour scheme.

I want to know why people are saying the Space Sharks (or Carcharodons). Is it really just the name that people dont like?

Personally they got that 80's over-the-top vibe appeal for me

Plus, Space Sharks. In Spaaace.

As for worst Marine Chapter, the one I dislike the most is the Dark Angels.

Rainbow Warriors...

Space Wolves are not bad guys
people just seem to think that they are stereotypical vikings(even though they aren't) that automatically rebel against authority(for good reason) just to be the coolest most bad ass chapter ever and fail to see how what they are doing is essential. A rune priest is not going to be tempted by chaos the same way a regular psycher is because Fenrisian rituals that they go through sort of form a natural deterant to chaos.
Its impossible for them to be hypocrites

Russ Mandarin wrote:Space Wolves are not bad guys
people just seem to think that they are stereotypical vikings that automatically rebel against authority to be the coolest most bad ass chapter ever and fail to see how what they are doing is essential. A rune priest is not going to be tempted by chaos the same way a psycher is because Fenrisian rituals is sort of like a natural deterant to chaos.

nah its because space wolves were big d-bags during the horus heresy.

I can't imagine how anyone after reading Prospero Burns would think they were being D-bags.
The Space Wolves were basically resigned to a role that would make them executioners for the Emperor. They respected that role but it still weighed heavily on them