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What do you mean He does nothing? He focuses the Astronomican, soul-binds Astropaths, and protects non-Chaos worshipping Human souls in the warp. And apparently you don't know that the Emperor cannot be reborn as long as He remains connected to the Throne. In the meantime, He gets stronger because of Mankind's collective belief in Him, so when the Throne finally fails, He can use all that stored up power to restore His physical form. Then we go on another Great Crusade.

I consider the slow decay of my forces and the continuing strengthening of my enemy a poor tactical situation that worsens with time and my forces would be better served with a last ditch effort offensive rather than languishing into oblivion.

Then again, this is the same strategic genius that engineered failure out of all those Space Marines and their Super Primarch's, so thinking he's just biding his time, and waiting for Chaos to put its guard down while he rots probably isnt to far off the mark,.

The Emperor is not dead. The Emperor is not truly alive. That's enough of that debate. It doesn't matter anyway. All that matters is he's stuck on the throne and he can't fight, at least physically.

Yeah, let's leave it at that.

Durza wrote:If they end 40k with the Imperium winning, humanity loses.

No Humanity wins cause with the Imperium's victory the conditions that help the Imperium maintain its power disappear and thus the Imperium will collapse but with no threats to humanity's existence existing anymore, this is not much of a problem.

Space Crusader wrote:The Emperor was a genocidal maniac brutally murdering his opponents. The Interex were advanced humans fighting chaos. What did he do? "PURGE THE SUB HUMANS!" He must really have liked Hitler

You just fail. The so called 'enlightened Interex' are major fail. They said they knew about the existence of Chaos and when they have the existence of a Chaos weapon, what do they do with it? Do they destroy it? No, of course not! They put it in a bloody museum to be stolen by Chaos. Yeah, they fail utterly.

Hell, the Interex love to make peace with aliens not realizing that an alliance of aliens called the CABAL are planning to have all of humanity die! The Interex were not destroyed by the Emperor, unless I'm mistaken, they were destroyed by Horus cause the Interex attacked him think he had stolen their Chaos weapon from the museum. Instead of acting like enlightened and civilized by asking Horus questions and interrogating him, they went "Hur Durr! Must Kill!!!"

Again Interex are fail!

He is maybe the most powerfull chaos god since he demands sacrifice, has zealots killing in HIS name and has the largest base of worshippers. He even made deamon princes(Primarchs).

In what way did the Emperor demand sacrifice? He didn't create the Imperial church. The sacrifice is needed for the Astronomicon which allows humanity to travle across the galaxy without which humanity dies! But you of course ignore that .

Ascalam wrote:
Which brings up the question:

If the alien races were so dead set on human for dinner, how come none came to dinner before the Emperor got everyone unified in their xenocidal crusade?

A Primarchs homeworld was ravaged by alien slavers, some fluff has mention of the Sol system having alien slavers inside of it during the Age of Strife. Also no alien managed to truly invade the Sol system due to the Warp storms that isolated Terra from the rest of the galaxy, do you remember any of this?

To me it sounds more like the 'we got them before they could think to get us' pre-emptive attack that's usually espoused by despots and religious loonies than a great, wise and benificent messiah-wannabe.... oh yes.... he WAS a genocidal, xenocidal despot who simultaneously despised religion and allowed the creation of his own god-cult. Well done that man Plausible deniability AND the benefits of a cult

That was created by others and not him. But you of course ignore this.

Most of the alien races out there couldn't give a feth about Earth, until he went and crusaded all over the galaxy wiping out races left and right.

They didn't need Earth because there were literally uncountable human settled worlds across the galaxy that aliens like the Orks, Eldar, and Slaught enslaved or ate for their own amusement.

As it is the IOM's over-extended and undersupplied, much like the Roman empire it was modelled on, surrounded by people they've ticked off, and unable to keep their iron hold on the hearts and minds of the citizenry due to the crushing,oppressive conditions they maintain.

Any time you keep people in those conditions you will have rebellions etc, as desperate people have little to lose (except their souls..but hey )


** edit for spelling*

The Tau empire also has rebellion so this little rant of yours is meaningless.

Durza wrote:
Chaos codex. He's called a corpse and dead repeatedly.

I believe they call him the Corpse-God.

Space Crusader wrote:
He exterminated the Interex. HUUR LOOK ZOME HUMANZ THAT KNOW THE DANGErZ OF CHAOS! LET EXTERMIN EM! But I will let the common humans who are less advanced, more superstitious live and spread and I will not tell my sons about the big bad strangers with their mutating candy!

The Interex were destroyed by Horus who did so after they failed to kill him, the Emperor didn;t order there destruction.

CpatTom wrote:Because for every source that says he's alive: (all the stuff the Imperium guys read) there is another that say he isn't (Chaos, Skeleton pictures).

The possibility that he is alive but does nothing with his magnificent power, would be worse in my opinion, than if he was dead.

Alive: he doesn't care about humanity and just wants to keep on living. Man continues making chaos stronger with every day, yet he does nothing.

Dead: well, he's dead, he put together the best plan he could for this inevitable day, but people suck so its not working out.

CpatTom wrote:I consider the slow decay of my forces and the continuing strengthening of my enemy a poor tactical situation that worsens with time and my forces would be better served with a last ditch effort offensive rather than languishing into oblivion.

Then again, this is the same strategic genius that engineered failure out of all those Space Marines and their Super Primarch's, so thinking he's just biding his time, and waiting for Chaos to put its guard down while he rots probably isnt to far off the mark,.

The Emperor has the more important job of broadcasting the Astronomicon which every ship in the Imperium needs, if you read the 5TH edition rulebook. An alien psyker's death cause the Astronomicon to flicker and other bad effects which caused millions of ships to be lost in the Warp. The Emp also battles the Chaos gods which is important seeing as ForgeWorld states that the goal of Chaos is to merge the galaxy with the Warp which will kill everyone.

Durza wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Why would the Star Child theory be correct when Tzeentchian cultists were the ones to propose it?

That's what the Inquisition wants you to think

That's what the Alpha Legion want you to think.

And that's what the Cabal wanted them to think

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
You just fail. The so called 'enlightened Interex' are major fail. They said they knew about the existence of Chaos and when they have the existence of a Chaos weapon, what do they do with it? Do they destroy it? No, of course not! They put it in a bloody museum to be stolen by Chaos. Yeah, they fail utterly.

Hell, the Interex love to make peace with aliens not realizing that an alliance of aliens called the CABAL are planning to have all of humanity die! The Interex were not destroyed by the Emperor, unless I'm mistaken, they were destroyed by Horus cause the Interex attacked him think he had stolen their Chaos weapon from the museum. Instead of acting like enlightened and civilized by asking Horus questions and interrogating him, they went "Hur Durr! Must Kill!!!"

Again Interex are fail!

Ignorance is bliss as they say and what's wrong with taking other races under your wing, the Tau seem to be getting on ok. So you're blaming the Interex for not using WMD's and keeping them a museum, which was going well until the Imperium showed up.

It's not just a musem, it's a weapons locker.

‘We hold the weapons of the kinebrach here,’ Naud said, to meturge accompaniment. ‘Indeed, we preserve here, in careful stasis, examples of the weapons used by many of the alien species we have encountered. The kinebrach have, as a sign of service to us, foresworn the bearing of arms, unless under such circumstances as we grant them said use in time of war. Kinebrach technology is highly advanced, and many of their weapons are deemed too lethal to be left beyond securement.’ - Horus Rising p323

So if necessary, it's quite possible that should the Interex require the use of the weapons they would allow the Kinebrach to do so. And where is it said that the Anathame is a Chaos Blade pray tell?

And it wasn't a case of the Interex just attacking.

‘Tull said the Hall of Devices was on fire.’ Horus nodded. ‘This is what they accused us of. Robbery. Deceit. Murder. Apparently someone raided the Hall of Devices tonight and slew the curator. Dan Abnett –
Weapons were stolen.’ - Horus Rising p342

And quite rightly

‘Captain Loken,’ he said, his voice now gusting from his audio relays, ‘I demand you turn your weapons over to me at this time.’ Loken took a step back. ‘For what reason?’ ‘I don’t have to give a reason, dammit! I’m officer of the watch, on interex territory. Hand over your weapons!’ - Horus Rising P333

Pilau Rice wrote:
Ignorance is bliss as they say and what's wrong with taking other races under your wing, the Tau seem to be getting on ok. So you're blaming the Interex for not using WMD's and keeping them a museum, which was going well until the Imperium showed up.

Who cares about the Tau? Why even mention the Tau in this discussion between us?

No I'm blaming the Interex for not destroying a Chaos weapon that got stolen by Chaos, due to their incompetence, not by the Imperium.

Again, the Tau's thinking has a great chance of ruining them if they try their actions with the races of the Calixis sector who would eat the Tau empire from within.

It's not just a musem, it's a weapons locker.

Warhammer 40k wiki says otherwise.

‘We hold the weapons of the kinebrach here,’ Naud said, to meturge accompaniment. ‘Indeed, we preserve here, in careful stasis, examples of the weapons used by many of the alien species we have encountered. The kinebrach have, as a sign of service to us, foresworn the bearing of arms, unless under such circumstances as we grant them said use in time of war. Kinebrach technology is highly advanced, and many of their weapons are deemed too lethal to be left beyond securement.’ - Horus Rising p323

Sounds like a museum to me.

So if necessary, it's quite possible that should the Interex require the use of the weapons they would allow the Kinebrach to do so. And where is it said that the Anathame is a Chaos Blade pray tell?

Sources I've read state that the Sword had links to Chaos.

And it wasn't a case of the Interex just attacking.

‘Tull said the Hall of Devices was on fire.’ Horus nodded. ‘This is what they accused us of. Robbery. Deceit. Murder. Apparently someone raided the Hall of Devices tonight and slew the curator. Dan Abnett –
Weapons were stolen.’ - Horus Rising p342

And quite rightly

Quite Rightly what? Such situations have happened in both fiction and real life(obviously without the 40k elements) that were resolved peacefully when both sides didn't start shooting at each other.

‘Captain Loken,’ he said, his voice now gusting from his audio relays, ‘I demand you turn your weapons over to me at this time.’ Loken took a step back. ‘For what reason?’ ‘I don’t have to give a reason, dammit! I’m officer of the watch, on interex territory. Hand over your weapons!’ - Horus Rising P333

Yeah, the Interex don't show themselves to be so called 'enlightened or advanced' here. Instead of trying to calmly using their brains to find out what the hell happened. They allowed the situation to erupt into hostilities by attacking Horus and his team.

The Cabal tricked the twin Primarchs. Somehow, I doubt that the Emperor would have wanted Mankind destroyed just to defeat Chaos. And even when the twins helped Horus, the Cabal's vision didn't work out. I strongly hold on to the belief that the Cabal was just a Xenos organization manipulating certain Humans to prevent Mankind from becoming ascendant, or were somehow influenced by Chaos.

No because Draigo will kill everything......pretty simple really

Seriously yes it would, very slowly but it would collapse and die out, chaos, orks, crons and tyranids would be left to fight it out and as long as there a people to summon daemons (purposefully or accidently) chaos have unnumbered troops, how can you beat that??

CpatTom wrote:I consider the slow decay of my forces and the continuing strengthening of my enemy a poor tactical situation that worsens with time and my forces would be better served with a last ditch effort offensive rather than languishing into oblivion.

Then again, this is the same strategic genius that engineered failure out of all those Space Marines and their Super Primarch's, so thinking he's just biding his time, and waiting for Chaos to put its guard down while he rots probably isnt to far off the mark,.

Better than just pretending the Great Enemy doesn't exist and hoping it will just go away. And if the Emperor's dead, why are the Chaos Powers and their slaves trying so hard to break into Terra and deactivate the Golden Throne?

Tadashi wrote:The Cabal tricked the twin Primarchs.

Um.. no. If you go with a link I have already posted. It appears that the Twins are acting against both the CABAL and the Imperium for their own goals, whatever those may be.

Somehow, I doubt that the Emperor would have wanted Mankind destroyed just to defeat Chaos.

Chaos is the result of all sentient races. Its just due to humanity being the most populous and most emotional atm, is why Chaos is most fervent among humanity. But aliens do serve the Dark Gods too which makes the CABAL's plan of killing off humanity to destroy Chaos as utter stupidity.

And even when the twins helped Horus, the Cabal's vision didn't work out. I strongly hold on to the belief that the Cabal was just a Xenos organization manipulating certain Humans to prevent Mankind from becoming ascendant, or were somehow influenced by Chaos.

Agreed.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Who cares about the Tau? Why even mention the Tau in this discussion between us?

Unfortunately, it's not just between you. If you haven't noticed this is a forum, with other posters. If it was a private discussion. take it to PM. You were commenting on the Interex making alliances with alien races, I just said that it seems to be working out ok for the Tau.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:No I'm blaming the Interex for not destroying a Chaos weapon that got stolen by Chaos, due to their incompetence, not by the Imperium.

So it's the Interex fault that Erebus stole it, silly me.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Warhammer 40k wiki says otherwise.

So the wiki trumps the actual source. I'll remember that when I am in a fluff debate.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Sounds like a museum to me.

Yes, also a place that they store weapons for possible use.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I've read state that the Sword had links to Chaos.

Wiki again I presume?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Quite Rightly what? Such situations have happened in both fiction and real life(obviously without the 40k elements) that were resolved peacefully when both sides didn't start shooting at each other.

This was in reference to the quote below it with the justified response by Tull.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Yeah, the Interex don't show themselves to be so called 'enlightened or advanced' here. Instead of trying to calmly using their brains to find out what the hell happened. They allowed the situation to erupt into hostilities by attacking Horus and his team.

The violence started to happen after the Luna Wolves refused to give up their weapons. If the Luna Wolves would have followed their hosts requests in a time of suspicion then things might have gone differently, but they didn't and the Interex acted to deal with a possible threat on their own planet.

Say I walk into your house and take a leak on your carpet, you ask me to stop but I ignore you and proceed to urinate in plant pots and your kitchen sink. Are you going to keep asking me nicely to stop or are you going to lay down the law and throw me out?

Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:No because Draigo will kill everything......pretty simple really

Seriously yes it would, very slowly but it would collapse and die out, chaos, orks, crons and tyranids would be left to fight it out and as long as there a people to summon daemons (purposefully or accidently) chaos have unnumbered troops, how can you beat that??

Chaos isn't all-powerful. It might take all the time and resources at the Imperium's disposal, but Chaos can be defeated. The Emperor ensured that even if HE dies, then that part of Him He cast away when destroyed Horus would restore His body and lead the Imperium once more. If you've read the novels concerning Jaq Draco, then you'll know what I'm talking about.


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Pilau Rice wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Who cares about the Tau? Why even mention the Tau in this discussion between us?

Unfortunately, it's not just between you. If you haven't noticed this is a forum, with other posters. If it was a private discussion. take it to PM. You were commenting on the Interex making alliances with alien races, I just said that it seems to be working out ok for the Tau.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:No I'm blaming the Interex for not destroying a Chaos weapon that got stolen by Chaos, due to their incompetence, not by the Imperium.

So it's the Interex fault that Erebus stole it, silly me.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Warhammer 40k wiki says otherwise.

So the wiki trumps the actual source. I'll remember that when I am in a fluff debate.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Sounds like a museum to me.

Yes, also a place that they store weapons for possible use.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I've read state that the Sword had links to Chaos.

Wiki again I presume?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Quite Rightly what? Such situations have happened in both fiction and real life(obviously without the 40k elements) that were resolved peacefully when both sides didn't start shooting at each other.

This was in reference to the quote below it with the justified response by Tull.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Yeah, the Interex don't show themselves to be so called 'enlightened or advanced' here. Instead of trying to calmly using their brains to find out what the hell happened. They allowed the situation to erupt into hostilities by attacking Horus and his team.

The violence started to happen after the Luna Wolves refused to give up their weapons. If the Luna Wolves would have followed their hosts requests in a time of suspicion then things might have gone differently, but they didn't and the Interex acted to deal with a possible threat on their own planet.

Say I walk into your house and take a leak on your carpet, you ask me to stop but I ignore you and proceed to urinate in plant pots and your kitchen sink. Are you going to keep asking me nicely to stop or are you going to lay down the law and throw me out?

Actually yes, it was the Interex' fault that Erebus stole the weapon. What kind of moron leaves a Daemon Weapon in plain view where anyone with the resources and ambition to spare can steal it?

Tadashi wrote: If you've read the novels concerning Jaq Draco, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Which are a great read, but they are Heretic Tomes, they are the Romeo and Juliet story of 40k and aren't considered canon anymore.


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Tadashi wrote:
Actually yes, it was the Interex' fault that Erebus stole the weapon. What kind of moron leaves a Daemon Weapon in plain view where anyone with the resources and ambition to spare can steal it?

So you lock your favorite teddy bear away in the day because you wub him and like to cwuddle him at night. I break in and steal your bear because I want to give him huggles too and I don't have a bear. It's your fault for me not having a bear that I want to hug so much and making me break in to get it.

As the quote I provided states

... in careful stasis, ... many of their weapons are deemed too lethal to be left beyond securement ...

BTW FYI Chaos wants to deactivate the throne to prove hes dead. And all this stuff about himhelping astromancers or fighting chaos God's is all just theory no peice of fluff or information anywherecan be claimed to be right because they are just opinions of corrupt imperials that went corrupt with power. p.s Tadashi you have to give and take in a disscussion which you never seem to do you have to be right and noone else how is this a disscussion. However i did like your comment on noone can no for sure if he is "undead". Though the only reason he wont be released is because of the corruption of the imperium the emporer could be fine all powerfull but the people who are currently in charge dont want to relinquish their power so they make up the stories of the astropaths and the chaos Gods.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Tadashi wrote: If you've read the novels concerning Jaq Draco, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Which are a great read, but they are Heretic Tomes, they are the Romeo and Juliet story of 40k and aren't considered canon anymore.


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Tadashi wrote:
Actually yes, it was the Interex' fault that Erebus stole the weapon. What kind of moron leaves a Daemon Weapon in plain view where anyone with the resources and ambition to spare can steal it?

So you lock your favorite teddy bear away in the day because you wub him and like to cwuddle him at night. I break in and steal your bear because I want to give him huggles too and I don't have a bear. It's your fault for me not having a bear that I want to hug so much and making me break in to get it.

As the quote I provided states

... in careful stasis, ... many of their weapons are deemed too lethal to be left beyond securement ...

No, GW has never actually retconned the Star Child out of existence, so the theory that the compassionate part of Himself that the Emperor cast out when He destroyed Horus, and would oneday restore Him and the Imperium still holds true. The Emperor Himself admitted that He cast that part out of Himself during Draco's audience. And if they're so secure, how did Erebus manage to steal it so easily.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Unfortunately, it's not just between you. If you haven't noticed this is a forum, with other posters. If it was a private discussion. take it to PM. You were commenting on the Interex making alliances with alien races, I just said that it seems to be working out ok for the Tau.

I was talking about the Interex and their love for aliens while ironically in the background an alliance of alien races are plotting for all of humanity everywhere to die. I don't want to discuss about the Tau here. It seems to be working until they hit something that doesn't want to join them like the Orks and the Reek.

So it's the Interex fault that Erebus stole it, silly me.

Yes, it unfortunately is. One can't use the excuse of Erebus using Chaos sorcery to steal the sword cause the the Interex really know about Chaos then they must know about Chaos sorcery and how to defend against it which means they failed to prevent Erebus from stealing the weapon.

So the wiki trumps the actual source. I'll remember that when I am in a fluff debate.

Nice sarcasm . No, wiki's don't trump source but you yourself admit below that Xenobia is a museum.

Yes, also a place that they store weapons for possible use.

You agree with me that its a museum that they foolishly show off to people so if they have the ambition, they can try and steal the weapon.

Wiki again I presume?

Yes.

The violence started to happen after the Luna Wolves refused to give up their weapons. If the Luna Wolves would have followed their hosts requests in a time of suspicion then things might have gone differently, but they didn't and the Interex acted to deal with a possible threat on their own planet.

Say I walk into your house and take a leak on your carpet, you ask me to stop but I ignore you and proceed to urinate in plant pots and your kitchen sink. Are you going to keep asking me nicely to stop or are you going to lay down the law and throw me out?

The Luna Wolves were also in the right in not just giving up there weapons seeing as they are a small group trapped deep in unknown territory who are now making demands that they disarm themselves without explaining why. The host has to at the very least give the people one is giving demands to be disarmed a reason. Horus is acting as a representative for a foreing nation and thus has diplomatic status that have to abided by somewhat in finding out whether they are guilty or not.

Really, the Interex acted hotheaded here and not rationally. Even if they suspect Horus has betrayed them they should have handled it rationally until they can fully prove it or they have the advantage Instead they open fire.

Really, this entire situation doesn't put the Imperium is a bad light, it just shows how misundertstandings which can happen when to different cultures or politics meet can suddenly erupt into war.

Malroke wrote:BTW FYI Chaos wants to deactivate the throne to prove hes dead. And all this stuff about himhelping astromancers or fighting chaos God's is all just theory no peice of fluff or information anywherecan be claimed to be right because they are just opinions of corrupt imperials that went corrupt with power. p.s Tadashi you have to give and take in a disscussion which you never seem to do you have to be right and noone else how is this a disscussion. However i did like your comment on noone can no for sure if he is "undead". Though the only reason he wont be released is because of the corruption of the imperium the emporer could be fine all powerfull but the people who are currently in charge dont want to relinquish their power so they make up the stories of the astropaths and the chaos Gods.

Regarding the Astronomican: 3rd Edition states that the Astronomican is powered by sacrificial psykers, but that the Emperor focuses that energy. Later Editions don't mention it, but they don't contradict it either.
Regarding Astropaths: The information given by Rulebooks from RT to 5th Edition about Astropaths don't contradict each other, actually they support each other. They explicitly state that the Emperor performs the soul-binding.
In other words, the Emperor's still alive, well, sort-off, but He's not dead either. Probably undead.

Malroke wrote:BTW FYI Chaos wants to deactivate the throne to prove hes dead. And all this stuff about himhelping astromancers or fighting chaos God's is all just theory no peice of fluff or information anywherecan be claimed to be right because they are just opinions of corrupt imperials that went corrupt with power. p.s Tadashi you have to give and take in a disscussion which you never seem to do you have to be right and noone else how is this a disscussion. However i did like your comment on noone can no for sure if he is "undead". Though the only reason he wont be released is because of the corruption of the imperium the emporer could be fine all powerfull but the people who are currently in charge dont want to relinquish their power so they make up the stories of the astropaths and the chaos Gods.

What the hell?

So to you. Astropaths, Chaos gods don't exist, they're all lies spread by corrupted politicians?

FW, IIRC, states that the goal of the Chaos gods is to merge the galaxy with the Warp so yeah why bother with trying to break the Golden Throne to prove someone is dead, why bother?

Tadashi wrote:
No, GW has never actually retconned the Star Child out of existence, so the theory that the compassionate part of Himself that the Emperor cast out when He destroyed Horus, and would oneday restore Him and the Imperium still holds true. The Emperor Himself admitted that He cast that part out of Himself during Draco's audience.

I do apologise Tadashi, I thought the Inquistion War trilogy had been re released under the Heretic Tomes label, but it hasn't it's still as it was initially.

Tadashi wrote:how did Erebus manage to steal it so easily.

Do we know how he actually did it or we just know that he stole it?

Personally i like what a chap said up there hes dead but the golden throne was his ace in the hole to give his people hope and he told his most trusted to spread the rumors he was controlling the astronomnican and the astropaths aswell. So he told his closest highest ranking to spread these rumors to give people hope and in this way the emporer is not alive but a peice of him is alive in everyone. The horus heresy fyi was based on the bible 1 third of the angels turning on God (the emporer)

Pilau Rice wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
No, GW has never actually retconned the Star Child out of existence, so the theory that the compassionate part of Himself that the Emperor cast out when He destroyed Horus, and would oneday restore Him and the Imperium still holds true. The Emperor Himself admitted that He cast that part out of Himself during Draco's audience.

I do apologise Tadashi, I thought the Inquistion War trilogy had been re released under the Heretic Tomes label, but it hasn't it's still as it was initially.

Tadashi wrote:how did Erebus manage to steal it so easily.

Do we know how he actually did it or we just know that he stole it?

He stole it...don't know the details. And yes, even if Inquisition Wars has been released as Heretic Tomes, until GW explicitly states that the Star Child is not canon, it's canon. And it was the Emperor Himself who stated that '...the spirit of goodness We cast out of Ourselves...' that guided Draco before Him.

What the hell?

So to you. Astropaths, Chaos gods don't exist, they're all lies spread by corrupted politicians?

i never said this i said if you learn to read properly THE POLITICIANS are SPREADING RUMORS THAT HE IS FIGHTING THE CHAOS GOD'S AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DID NOT SAY THEY DONT EXIST !! JESUS CHRIST learn to digest information properly and stop making things out of things that arent there

Malroke wrote:Personally i like what a chap said up there hes dead but the golden throne was his ace in the hole to give his people hope and he told his most trusted to spread the rumors he was controlling the astronomnican and the astropaths aswell. So he told his closest highest ranking to spread these rumors to give people hope and in this way the emporer is not alive but a peice of him is alive in everyone. The horus heresy fyi was based on the bible 1 third of the angels turning on God (the emporer)

No, the Golden Throne was a makeshift Webway portal turned life-support system. The Horus Heresy series states so, and GW has recognized this as canon.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Yes, it unfortunately is. One can't use the excuse of Erebus using Chaos sorcery to steal the sword cause the the Interex really know about Chaos then they must know about Chaos sorcery and how to defend against it which means they failed to prevent Erebus from stealing the weapon.

Chaos the what now? Where is it mentioned that Erebus used sorcery? Why even use sorcery?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Xenobia is a museum

Of sorts, yes. But it's also a place that they store weapons in a secure place as well as when required for later use.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:You agree with me that its a museum that they foolishly show off to people so if they have the ambition, they can try and steal the weapon.

To a degree, you could steal from the most secure facility possible if you had the ambition too and the 'museum' was secure to protect the weapons.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:
The violence started to happen after the Luna Wolves refused to give up their weapons. If the Luna Wolves would have followed their hosts requests in a time of suspicion then things might have gone differently, but they didn't and the Interex acted to deal with a possible threat on their own planet.

Say I walk into your house and take a leak on your carpet, you ask me to stop but I ignore you and proceed to urinate in plant pots and your kitchen sink. Are you going to keep asking me nicely to stop or are you going to lay down the law and throw me out?

The Luna Wolves were also in the right in not just giving up there weapons seeing as they are a small group trapped deep in unknown territory who are now making demands that they disarm themselves without explaining why. The host has to at the very least give the people one is giving demands to be disarmed a reason. Horus is acting as a representative for a foreing nation and thus has diplomatic status that have to abided by somewhat in finding out whether they are guilty or not.

Really, the Interex acted hotheaded here and not rationally. Even if they suspect Horus has betrayed them they should have handled it rationally until they can fully prove it or they have the advantage Instead they open fire.

Really, this entire situation doesn't put the Imperium is a bad light, it just shows how misundertstandings which can happen when to different cultures or politics meet can suddenly erupt into war.

I'll be round to water your carpets soon

I disagree with you here, but I will say that maybe the situation could have been handled better on both sides. But the Imperium had already waged war on a species under the protectorate of the Interex, the Interex were right to be a bit worried and over zealous.

I give up it doesnt state anything thats the point its why GW left it open for people to make their own points of views and rationals none knows completely what the throne does and everything else about it. So you cannot guarnteenly say its this its that you just can't GW made the plotline this way for everyone to make their own decisions on the 40k universe

Debating with Imperial fanatics is like masturbating with a cheese grater...interesting at first, but ultimatly painful.......

It's canon unless GW says otherwise. The series has GW owning the copyright, so why would they endorse something that would make it look like they contradict themselves.

They do contradict themselves now listen very carefully because im not going to say this again they made a fantasy universe with a bit of give and take so people can fill in a few blanks and come to their own conclusions also GW has contradicted themselves many times. Ork's for instance used to carry boltguns and have females

Cant you see?! He is clearly alive! See! He just moved his toe!