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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:LOL, sure man, whatever you say, blind faith, is still blindness.

p.s. my proof is the 9k+ years of him being a corpse...and the smell of course.

So your proof are your words while I have text from Rulebook that say: "He is still alive, his brain is more alive then ever".
As you can see this is not blind faith, but actual scientific conclusion.

soooo...

His brain is more alive than ever....

And he is off in the invisible world of the Warp fighting chaos gods....

is he also making toys for all the good marines and humans.

and puting a credit chip under each childs pillow when he loses a tooth.

and from the state of the Galaxy it seems he is doing a wonderful job of fighting those evil gods...really everything seems so much better...

Maybe , just maybe, he could use some of his massive space magic and perhaps, and maybe fix his rotting carcass and actually show his followers that have been dying in the trillions for thousands of years for him, that he is truly alive, and not leave the running and corrupting of his incredible works in the hands of simple fallible humans.

but oh well he has better space magic uses for that I guess.

Keep on treking.

Brother Coa wrote:

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
And you can't prove he's alive either, since all the "proof" you cite is visions and portents, and stigmata, where the reality is its a corpse on a fancy gold toliet, he does not talk, walk, of even nod his head, and is portrayed even in the art as a skeletal corpse, so there may be more "proof" as him being actually dead, and the entire religion is a total sham.

Not visions, but actual text.
5'th edition rulebook, page 101.
HE is very much alive, and kicking Chaos Gods buts.

Now show me your proff...
Oh yeah, you can't

Chaos codex. He's called a corpse and dead repeatedly.


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Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Why would the Star Child theory be correct when Tzeentchian cultists were the ones to propose it?

That's what the Inquisition wants you to think

That's what the Alpha Legion want you to think.

He is dead

Whether his soul is still boxed up inside his gold-plated skull or not is the issue here. It might be, it might not. Sources disagree, and we can't use 'weight of evidence' as most of the codexes and pretty much all of the rulebook fluff are from the Imperial perspective

His body is pretty fething dead. LIving bodies just don't look like that It doesn't really matter much, as the discussion is about hsi soul/spirit/anima etc.

Some fluff from back when showed him as still having a semi-functional body, such as when he opened his eyes in fear at the awakening of Gork and Mork, but all recent art shows him as an inanimate skeleton in a chair.

The old Necron codex (can't speak for the current one) and i beleive the eldar codex also refer to him as a corpse and/or dead


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Also, if he's so all fired powerful to stop chaos from breaking into the material universe, how come they do, all the time, everywhere?

How come fateweaver can open a gate to the materium with a languid wave of a claw, if the pressure to keep it shut is so uber? You'd expect him to have to strain a little

Tadashi wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Ovion wrote:How does the emp reborn / not mean the Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Orks and 'nids magically vanish leaving only humans / chaos?

If Emperor get's reborn, he will be probably as strong as Chaos God. Only in material world.
+ he will get back Space marine Legions, update current tech...
In short - aliens would be dead as Tyranids on the planet that is about to get hit by Exterminatus in 2 seconds.

Probably both...we should start a thread discussing the state of the Imperium after the Emperor is reborn...a civil war is pretty much guaranteed...both here and the 40k universe.

The Orcs are ancient, and it's basically impossible to destroy them, even after an exterminatus the spores would remain in the earth and eventually regrow.
Considering the imperium during the golden age of technology, nor the eldar at the height of their empire could get rid of the orcs the emp suddenly returnings hardly going to fix them.
The only ones theoretically able to remove their blight completely are the nids, as though they cannot digest or assimilate the orc spore, they can collect and contain it within filtered biosacs as they consume an entire planet for biomass etc, then ejecting them into the local star.
But even then there's still the space hulks and the what not flying around that could reseed the dead worlds.

Eldar craftworlds can just fly out of the way of nids, orcs etc (up till when they die out and become floating reliquaries)
On top of that there's dozens of other alien races floating around.

Dark Eldar are in the webway and generally relatively safe from incursions within real-space. They'll survive feeding upon orks, nids or any other given random alien race left in the universe.

Chaos will survive because they'll be fueled by the combined emotions of the universe, even if the warp is somehow sealed they'll likely still be there.
And failing all else Slanney will be about as long as there's Dark Eldar still around.

Nids are freakin huge and it'll be insanely hard to exorcise their cancer from the galaxy.

Tau should hold their own against orcs and such, and will do perfectly fine untill something huge turns it's focus to them and smushes them.
Course they could always do the nazi europe thing and get ignored / not really noticed till their so large they're actual contenders and become one of the entrenched long-termers.

Either way, even if the emperor did reappear and they did start back on a path back to technological sense, there'd probably be a civil war between the current corrupt rulers and their lackeys and the imperials loyal to the emperor, and on top of that the imperial forces are spread so thin across so many fronts the logistics of a crusade on top of those existing fronts and the new civil war would be insane resulting in yet another a long drawn out stalemate.

I don't think a civil war would end in a stale-mate. All of the space marine chapters would 100% guaranteed take the side of the Emperor were he to return. That would stomp out resistance pretty quickly.

"Who do you side with? Me and the Astartes Legions... or the High Lords?" - Emperor
*goes bathroom in shorts* "y-y-you! my lord!" - anyone with a brain between their ears

The logic answer is - we don't know, not until GW continue story.

But they will probably end 40k largaly toward the Imperium. Because the golden rule of every big sci-fi is - Humans always win, regardless of situation.

If they end 40k with the Imperium winning, humanity loses.

The only way that humanity will win is if the Emperor is reborn. And if the Emperor is reborn humanity will no longer be what the Imperium is.

The Emperor was a genocidal maniac brutally murdering his opponents. The Interex were advanced humans fighting chaos. What did he do? "PURGE THE SUB HUMANS!" He must really have liked Hitler
He is maybe the most powerfull chaos god since he demands sacrifice, has zealots killing in HIS name and has the largest base of worshippers. He even made deamon princes(Primarchs).

Okay, all those people who say "gw will never let ------- happen" this is doesn't fit in a background standpoint, so really don't Use that as a reason.

And now, on to your question, yes, the imperium of man will fall, though not in the table top game.

Though, this does not mean all the humans will die.

Brutally murdering his opponents? Should he have set humanity up for epic failure/slaughter by the hands of xenos scum? The Emperor did what must be done, and that is unite humanity and strike out at those races and forces that would see humanity enslaved/murdered.

Yes, it will.

Rest assured, as soon as I aquire a controlling share of GW's stock the Imperium of Man will fall.

GW won't let that happen. They would destroy necrons or tyranids before their own kind. Personally i'd love to see the Tau come out ahead. How's that for a plot twist

IronSnake wrote:Brutally murdering his opponents? Should he have set humanity up for epic failure/slaughter by the hands of xenos scum? The Emperor did what must be done, and that is unite humanity and strike out at those races and forces that would see humanity enslaved/murdered.

He exterminated the Interex. HUUR LOOK ZOME HUMANZ THAT KNOW THE DANGErZ OF CHAOS! LET EXTERMIN EM! But I will let the common humans who are less advanced, more superstitious live and spread and I will not tell my sons about the big bad strangers with their mutating candy!

IronSnake wrote:Brutally murdering his opponents? Should he have set humanity up for epic failure/slaughter by the hands of xenos scum? The Emperor did what must be done, and that is unite humanity and strike out at those races and forces that would see humanity enslaved/murdered.

Which brings up the question:

If the alien races were so dead set on human for dinner, how come none came to dinner before the Emperor got everyone unified in their xenocidal crusade?

To me it sounds more like the 'we got them before they could think to get us' pre-emptive attack that's usually espoused by despots and religious loonies than a great, wise and benificent messiah-wannabe.... oh yes.... he WAS a genocidal, xenocidal despot who simultaneously despised religion and allowed the creation of his own god-cult. Well done that man Plausible deniability AND the benefits of a cult


Most of the alien races out there couldn't give a feth about Earth, until he went and crusaded all over the galaxy wiping out races left and right.

If the IOM had stayed smaller, and been less bloody-minded murderous it would likely never have met half of the races that want to kill it, and if they wouldn't need the universe's biggest strobelight. The Nids are homing on it, you know

As it is the IOM's over-extended and undersupplied, much like the Roman empire it was modelled on, surrounded by people they've ticked off, and unable to keep their iron hold on the hearts and minds of the citizenry due to the crushing,oppressive conditions they maintain.

Any time you keep people in those conditions you will have rebellions etc, as desperate people have little to lose (except their souls..but hey )


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After the interex declared war upon the Emperor's forces, yes. There was a mish-mash of non-communication and it was basically one large cluster-frak after they accused Horus and his legion of theft. The Emperor didn't just say "KILL THEMMMMMMM!!!" right off. The eradication of the interex can be blamed on Erebus. Squarely.

Guys....Just think of how many darn Brother Coa's there are in the 41st Millennium? That's some fuel.

BrainDeleted wrote:Guys....Just think of how many darn Brother Coa's there are in the 41st Millennium? That's some fuel.

Problems?

I'm with you, Brother Coa. This thread is in serious need of cleansing!

IronSnake wrote:I'm with you, Brother Coa. This thread is in serious need of cleansing!

Spoken like a true slave of the corpsegod.

*sets bolter to full auto*



Anyway, back to the thread...

Brother Coa wrote:

BrainDeleted wrote:Guys....Just think of how many darn Brother Coa's there are in the 41st Millennium? That's some fuel.

Problems?

Your Terminator armour is too spiky for my liking. I dont even see an Aquila on it. HERETIC

The Emperor isn't dead, the Rulebooks and Imperial Codexes say so. And the Emperor makes psychic contact with those Inquisitors who are granted the right of audience. As for Tzeentchian Cultists proposing the Star Child Cycle, well GW never actually retconned the collective shaman origin of the Emperor or removed the Illuminati, so it's probably them trying to keep the Imperium from catching on. And what's wrong with the Emperor killing abhumans, xenos, and those who refuse His rule? Following the Age of Strife, Mankind was on the brink of extinction, so sacrifices had to be made.

Just replace the word parrot with Emporer. Also so the Emporer talks to these inquisitors in their mind which noone else can hear or see do they also look into hats and give out fortunes. Personally i favour the reading of animal entrails i find this much more reliable.

Yeah, that explains a lot. I wonder who soul-binds those Astropaths then. Or keeps the ruined Webway portal behind the Throne closed...

Thats easy the golden throne machine or possibly it could be that all knowing all powerfull entity santa claus

@Malroke, re. Parrot sketch


" ..he has passed on, he has drawn the curtain and joined the choir invisible, slipped the mortal coil, This is a Ex-Emperor"

best post on thread!

Why do non-Imperials keep ignoring the Rulebooks saying the Emperor's still alive. Or the fact that the Emperor's existence is the basic premise of 40k. He HOVERS on the verge of life and death. You want to be specific, fine, it's called undeath. He's not dead, but He's not alive either.

Because for every source that says he's alive: (all the stuff the Imperium guys read) there is another that say he isn't (Chaos, Skeleton pictures).

The possibility that he is alive but does nothing with his magnificent power, would be worse in my opinion, than if he was dead.

Alive: he doesn't care about humanity and just wants to keep on living. Man continues making chaos stronger with every day, yet he does nothing.

Dead: well, he's dead, he put together the best plan he could for this inevitable day, but people suck so its not working out.