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Which is an obvious retcon. Since the Star Child never underwent that, it's still canon.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Debating with Imperial fanatics is like masturbating with a cheese grater...interesting at first,

You find that interesting

never edit a persons quote for a joke, its bad form ole chap.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:never edit a persons quote for a joke, its bad form ole chap.

How have I edited mate?

You're post is

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Debating with Imperial fanatics is like masturbating with a cheese grater...interesting at first, but ultimatly painful.......

I left off the part at the end which I wasn't questioning. It's hardly edited.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Durza wrote:If they end 40k with the Imperium winning, humanity loses.

No Humanity wins cause with the Imperium's victory the conditions that help the Imperium maintain its power disappear and thus the Imperium will collapse but with no threats to humanity's existence existing anymore, this is not much of a problem.

Yeah, because the High Lords are just going to sit around and let it collapse.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Why would the Star Child theory be correct when Tzeentchian cultists were the ones to propose it?

That's what the Inquisition wants you to think

That's what the Alpha Legion want you to think.

And that's what the Cabal wanted them to think

Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

Space Crusader wrote:
Cant you see?! He is clearly alive! See! He just moved his toe!

"He did not....you bumped his chair, besides he would slide off that thing if he was not nailed to it ! "

I don't think that he's actually nailed to it.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

I think this is the point where it becomes a never ending circle, but only because that's what Omegon wanted them to think.

Durza wrote:I don't think that he's actually nailed to it.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

I think this is the point where it becomes a never ending circle, but only because that's what Omegon wanted them to think.

Thats what Creed wants you to think!

Space Crusader wrote:

Durza wrote:I don't think that he's actually nailed to it.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

I think this is the point where it becomes a never ending circle, but only because that's what Omegon wanted them to think.

Thats what Creed wants you to think!

And thats just what Nagash wants you to think....( I just freaked your mind man! )

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

Space Crusader wrote:

Durza wrote:I don't think that he's actually nailed to it.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

I think this is the point where it becomes a never ending circle, but only because that's what Omegon wanted them to think.

Thats what Creed wants you to think!

And thats just what Nagash wants you to think....( I just freaked your mind man! )

Who let the Skullclown out of his box?

Coolyo294 wrote:

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

Space Crusader wrote:

Durza wrote:I don't think that he's actually nailed to it.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

I think this is the point where it becomes a never ending circle, but only because that's what Omegon wanted them to think.

Thats what Creed wants you to think!

And thats just what Nagash wants you to think....( I just freaked your mind man! )

Who let the Skullclown out of his box?

LOL yeah I forgot how hideous that mini was, but gotta admit he was a happy looking giant skull clown.

I don´t think that he looks so bad.

Durza wrote:I don't think that he's actually nailed to it.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Durza wrote:
Only because that's what Alpharius wanted them to think.

Only because that's what the Cabal wanted him to think

I think this is the point where it becomes a never ending circle, but only because that's what Omegon wanted them to think.

And that's what the Cabal wanted him to think to

But yeah ... the warp did it.

Ah, I missed all the fun while I was sleeping.

Ok, so, again.

1. He's alive, and does nothing as all his enemies get stronger and all his forces get weaker. Sure he keeps his little beacon lit, but might his super power be more useful doing something that might actually win the war against chaos?
How about compelling all of his followers to sacrifice themselves? That would send a shock through the warp, and then the Emperor could summon himself to the material realm with all that soul energy, or do whatever it is that Part Chaos God/Men do with sacrificed believer soul.

2. He's dead. He was just awesome enough to establish the setting, and then expired so that it would continue indefinitely.

He did use to look a bit better you know...


Maybe the stress of the office is getting to him.

If GW ever continues the storyline, it would, undoubtedly. There would be some tricks up the corpse-god's sleeve though. I personally think his two 'forgotten' Primarchs are going to return with full legions of the Legion of the Damned and simply clean the House of anything chaos, however, that's not stopping the Void Dragon from rearing its head and playing with all the cool little minions worshipping around him.

And then there's Gork (or is it Mork?) that finally kicks Gazgull's rear in gear, wins the Octavian (sp?) war for the Orks and begins stomping around with the most badassed Waaaagh! ever recorded.

And then there's the Nids. Nom Nom Nom Ultra-Oh damnit, Word Bearers got to them first. Hi there Marines Malevonent and Black Templars, Nom Nom Nom.

And then there's the return of the Eldar Exodites (IIRC) that ran away when they created Slaanesh. Don't know what they would do at first though...

And then there's the Necrons in general. I don't think you could keep Trayzn away from collecting the Emperors... um... Spare Parts?

Last but not least is Chaos. Whole lot of family issues there.

Then there's the Tau, who wanted to be your friend, but like the extreme xenophobe you are, said no. Guess you're not going to need those planets near our borders *snatch*.

Brother Coa wrote:

How can someone this epic fall?

They can fall because all things fall.

Personally I would love a Shattered Imperium, each vying with the other for position, the compitition would perhaps re-ignite the stagnant level of Imperial tech and add some differing perspectives to the Human plight.

A bunch of demi-empires that will sort of combine to combat a over all enemy but each is to proud/zealous/ignorant or arrogant to bow to the others, would add some cool potential for new factions and models.

Have a old school hard line Imperial faction at the center, with 3-5 others basd on perhaps Ultramar as a nucleus, a radical, and orthodox and of course various Traitor and seperatists movements, would be fun, after 25 years or so of the same satus quo a little shake up would be very interesting.

Brother Coa wrote:This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Short answer: no.

Agreed

Chosen Praetorian wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Short answer: no.

Agreed

Lovely. Now we have two deluded optimists.

Why do people think that the Emperor is some kind of auto win unit? He failed hard during the Great Crusade.

Because IOM junkies don't need reason, logic etc.

Nothing like blind faith in a fictional god to get the old delusions going

He's Tzeentch's hand-puppet anyway

Ascalam wrote:Because IOM junkies don't need reason, logic etc.

Same as Chaos, Ork, Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar, NEcron adn Tyranid fans who follow their factions not seeing true danger in them.

Nothing like blind faith in a fictional god to get the old delusions going

He's Tzeentch's hand-puppet anyway

Fluff state otherwise.

Anyway Imperium will never fal lbecause GW will never advance the timeline
How is that for ironic?

Hey Coa,

I can't see the picture, what is it about?


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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Personally I would love a Shattered Imperium, each vying with the other for position, the compitition would perhaps re-ignite the stagnant level of Imperial tech and add some differing perspectives to the Human plight.

The choice GW presents is: 1 imperium or 0 humans.
Shattered imperia are provided by Necrons. They may look close to human skeletons tough..

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:A bunch of demi-empires that will sort of combine to combat a over all enemy but each is to proud/zealous/ignorant or arrogant to bow to the others, would add some cool potential for new factions and models.

"Demi-Empires" Won't combine, they just die one by one until nothing is left.
GW already established the rise and fall of empires and civilizations, the human one would end as another set of dead and lifeless worlds,
only ruins left. Thus no replacement, just a final step over the edge into eternal darkness. Power was distributed so no small "empire" could live, this works to keep them in line but also speeds up the fall of the species if it ever happens. It was never about the political organization alone....

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Have a old school hard line Imperial faction at the center, with 3-5 others based on perhaps Ultramar as a nucleus, a radical, and orthodox and of course various Traitor and seperatists movements, would be fun, after 25 years or so of the same satus quo a little shake up would be very interesting.

Depends who holds the shaker...

Durza wrote:

Chosen Praetorian wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Short answer: no.

Agreed

Lovely. Now we have two deluded optimists.

We surely have more than 2 and most of them aren't imperials.

I'm not an optimist.

I'm a pessimist.

Unfortunately i'm getting proven right waaaay too often lately

I would find a shattered and disconnected imperium far more interesting than the current one.

Each piece could still travel to, and communicate with nearby sections, but not the whole galaxy at once. Most of them would likely cooperate, from force of habit if nothing else, but would have to deal with their own local threats primarily.

And you wouldn't have Calgar showing up to EVERY minor skirmish to deus ex machina it


@ Coa.

Everything is Tzeentch's hand puppet. Big E is no exception. Fluff supports this, from the non-IOM viewpoint.

Malroke wrote:What the hell?

So to you. Astropaths, Chaos gods don't exist, they're all lies spread by corrupted politicians?
i never said this i said if you learn to read properly THE POLITICIANS are SPREADING RUMORS THAT HE IS FIGHTING THE CHAOS GOD'S AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DID NOT SAY THEY DONT EXIST !! JESUS CHRIST learn to digest information properly and stop making things out of things that arent there

No they don't. The local person doesn't even know that the Chaos gods exist you dolt. The church only states that the Emp is the one who shines the light of the Astronomicon and thats all they say.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Chaos the what now? Where is it mentioned that Erebus used sorcery? Why even use sorcery?

I was saying that one can't use the excuse that Erebus may have stolen the sword with the help of sorcery cause the Interex supposedly know about Chaos so they must know about all its magic using nonsense.

Of sorts, yes. But it's also a place that they store weapons in a secure place as well as when required for later use.

Glad you agree with me.

To a degree, you could steal from the most secure facility possible if you had the ambition too and the 'museum' was secure to protect the weapons.

Very remote possibilities.

I'll be round to water your carpets soon

I'll punch you in the face . But for diplomats and politics, things have to be handled differently.

I disagree with you here, but I will say that maybe the situation could have been handled better on both sides. But the Imperium had already waged war on a species under the protectorate of the Interex, the Interex were right to be a bit worried and over zealous.

Which shows that they're not better or enlightened They acted over-zealous and created a situation that never needed to happen.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Debating with Imperial fanatics is like masturbating with a cheese grater...interesting at first, but ultimatly painful.......

Sounds like a Tau fan squealing in pain due to losing .

Malroke wrote:I give up it doesnt state anything thats the point its why GW left it open for people to make their own points of views and rationals none knows completely what the throne does and everything else about it. So you cannot guarnteenly say its this its that you just can't GW made the plotline this way for everyone to make their own decisions on the 40k universe

We have mention in the fluff that the Emp may have created the 'Storm of the Emperor's wrath' and the Inquisition books with Draco. Also an older fluff source has a Tzeentch daemon contemplating that when the Emp finally dies, he will ascend into the Warp where the real war will begin.

Space Crusader wrote:
Cant you see?! He is clearly alive! See! He just moved his toe!

Mean nothing, his spirit(I mean his soul) is still alive and thats all that matters.

Durza wrote:
Yeah, because the High Lords are just going to sit around and let it collapse.

If they don't change, it will collapse.

KplKeegan wrote:
Then there's the Tau, who wanted to be your friend, but like the extreme xenophobe you are, said no. Guess you're not going to need those planets near our borders *snatch*.

Typical, Tau fan being butthurt. The Tau empire created the War situation it has with the Imperium by causing Imperial worlds near them to secede from the Imperium. What the hell do you expect the Imperium to do in response? Just sit there and take it, so your 'mary sue' can be awesome.

The Tau empire wants the Imperium to integrate into the Tau empire which is kind of like the Tau empire asking the Eldar empire before the fall to submit to the authority of the Tau empire. Yeah, the idea is full of fail.

Why are people getting so personal? I've been a reader over at B&C for years but have never seen people get so up in arms over a fictional universe and pull close to them, their armies' values and morals, etc.

It's fictional, people. GW has stated that the Emperor is still 'alive' in 'death'. The End. No further interpretation is needed.

Now it's neat to speculize about the future of the imperium and this and that... but some things are set in stone according to GW. And they are the ultimate source of canon.