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Lets stop this stupid fight and go back to playing with our small plastic men.

I'm glad my wife hasn't seen this thread. She would shake her head sadly and probably say the same thing "just play with your plastic little men and be happy".

Space Crusader wrote:Lets stop this stupid fight and go back to playing with our small plastic men.

I was joking with everyone else except of the last poster I replied to, I mean didn't you see my joke emoticons

IronSnake wrote:Why are people getting so personal? I've been a reader over at B&C for years but have never seen people get so up in arms over a fictional universe and pull close to them, their armies' values and morals, etc.

It's fictional, people. GW has stated that the Emperor is still 'alive' in 'death'. The End. No further interpretation is needed.

Now it's neat to speculize about the future of the imperium and this and that... but some things are set in stone according to GW. And they are the ultimate source of canon.

IronSnake wrote:I'm glad my wife hasn't seen this thread. She would shake her head sadly and probably say the same thing "just play with your plastic little men and be happy".

Your wife is right .

They usually are.

Especially mine. She's an Eldar player, and heaven forfend that they could ever be wrong about anything

Durza wrote:

Chosen Praetorian wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:This galaxy is Emperor's to rule.

Aldo our time now is dark and uncertain - we know this.

Our enemies will never give up, but neither will we.

We will one day stay on our feet and cleanse this galaxy from Aliens, Mutants and Heretics clean.

Because nothing can't stop the Crusade of the Righteous.

The Emperor protects!!!
May his light guide us to victory.

Short answer: no.

Agreed

Lovely. Now we have two deluded optimists.

Make that three. I agree with Brother Coa as well.

Hell yeah, power of the Emperor

We believe in one Lord, the Emperor, the Almighty, ruler of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, the Emperor of Mankind, the only Lord of creation, eternally begotten of Humanity, Human from Human, Light from Light, true Lord from true Lord, begotten, not made, of one Being with Humanity; through Him all things were made. For us and for our salvation He came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and came among us. For our sake He has faced down Chaos; He withstood death and was enthroned. To this day He lives on in accordance with the Scriptures; He resides upon Mother Terra and is seated upon the throne of Humanity. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Emperor, the giver of life, who proceeds from Humanity and from Terra, who with Humanity and upon Terra is worshipped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one holy true and divinely guided Ecclesiarchy. We acknowledge one path for the defense against Chaos. We look for justice for our dead, and the life of the worlds to come.
the Creed of the Mankind's Council of Nicene of Holy Terra
I like Space Marines, so I won't say that the Emperor is a god, but He's definitely a godlike being who's the Master of Mankind and an example of what a 40k Human should aspire to be. If the ordinary Imperial citizen wants to believe that He's a god, then that's their business.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Glad you agree with me.

Like I said, it's a museum of sorts, also a place they can take weapons from if necessary. So I don't agree with you entirely, that it's soul use is as a museum.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Very remote possibilities.

The Outcast Dead broke out of the most secure prison on Terra, a very remote chance, but it happened. Darnath Lysander escaped his Chaos prison, very remote chance, but it happened. Where there is a will there is a way.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:But for diplomats and politics, things have to be handled differently.

If you invited me into your home it would be a different story, oh wait, like the Imperium were.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Which shows that they're not better or enlightened They acted over-zealous and created a situation that never needed to happen.

As did the Imperium

Pilau Rice wrote:
Like I said, it's a museum of sorts, also a place they can take weapons from if necessary. So I don't agree with you entirely, that it's soul use is as a museum.

That is whats so ad about this. If its a weapons locker, why in all the hells of the multiverse would you display the weapons, especially weapons if one had a brain, one would want to keep secret be shown to everyone who might get ideas to steal the weapons?

The Outcast Dead broke out of the most secure prison on Terra, a very remote chance, but it happened. Darnath Lysander escaped his Chaos prison, very remote chance, but it happened. Where there is a will there is a way.

That prison also fails utterly.

If you invited me into your home it would be a different story, oh wait, like the Imperium were.

What do you mean? Anyway, I state again that in polictics such situations have to be handled differenltly. Also, the Interex attacked Horus and his team while they were on the Interex planet so why where the Interex so worried? Its not like Horus is a Dragon Ball character who can destroy the planet by firing energy balls from his hand.

As did the Imperium

So we agree that both sides just failed in this situation then? I still think the Interex are the bigger failures seeing as they have the pretension to show themselves as morally and socially superior and they just fail when they suffered under pressure.

He's got a point. Why display such dangerous weaponry out in open view?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:That is whats so ad about this. If its a weapons locker, why in all the hells of the multiverse would you display the weapons, especially weapons if one had a brain, one would want to keep secret be shown to everyone who might get ideas to steal the weapons?

As a reminder of what they are and what they can do maybe. Everything was going swimmingly with the Interex until a member of the Imperium decides to steal a weapon, set the place on fire and kill the master of the hall. It might have been naive to display them so willingly, but until the likes of Erebus showed up there was no cause for concern.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:That prison also fails utterly.

So something else the Imperium didn't get right

Corporal_Reznov wrote:What do you mean? Anyway, I state again that in polictics such situations have to be handled differenltly. Also, the Interex attacked Horus and his team while they were on the Interex planet so why where the Interex so worried? Its not like Horus is a Dragon Ball character who can destroy the planet by firing energy balls from his hand.

The Imperium was asked to the Interex home as guests to talk about Terra, unification etc etc. When a situation arose where the Imperium were suspected of the acts, the Imperium weren't gracious and willing to comply, they denied everything and started killing their hosts. Horus might not be able to wipe out a planet on his own but his fleet of ships at anchor above the Interex planet could. They had already laid war on a planet of the Interex before. The Interex were right to be over cautious about the Imperium. If the Imperium wanted to show that they weren't all about using force to bring the Interex into the fold then they should have gone along with the Interex.

If say Horus had accepted the accusations and agreed to an investigation, Erebus would quite possibly have been caught and the Heresy delayed or even averted.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
So we agree that both sides just failed in this situation then? I still think the Interex are the bigger failures seeing as they have the pretension to show themselves as morally and socially superior and they just fail when they suffered under pressure.

Fair enough, i'll agree that both could have handled this situation better, but I deem the Imperium to have failed here.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:That is whats so ad about this. If its a weapons locker, why in all the hells of the multiverse would you display the weapons, especially weapons if one had a brain, one would want to keep secret be shown to everyone who might get ideas to steal the weapons?

As a reminder of what they are and what they can do maybe. Everything was going swimmingly with the Interex until a member of the Imperium decides to steal a weapon, set the place on fire and kill the master of the hall. It might have been naive to display them so willingly, but until the likes of Erebus showed up there was no cause for concern.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:That prison also fails utterly.

So something else the Imperium didn't get right

Corporal_Reznov wrote:What do you mean? Anyway, I state again that in polictics such situations have to be handled differenltly. Also, the Interex attacked Horus and his team while they were on the Interex planet so why where the Interex so worried? Its not like Horus is a Dragon Ball character who can destroy the planet by firing energy balls from his hand.

The Imperium was asked to the Interex home as guests to talk about Terra, unification etc etc. When a situation arose where the Imperium were suspected of the acts, the Imperium weren't gracious and willing to comply, they denied everything and started killing their hosts. Horus might not be able to wipe out a planet on his own but his fleet of ships at anchor above the Interex planet could. They had already laid war on a planet of the Interex before. The Interex were right to be over cautious about the Imperium. If the Imperium wanted to show that they weren't all about using force to bring the Interex into the fold then they should have gone along with the Interex.

If say Horus had accepted the accusations and agreed to an investigation, Erebus would quite possibly have been caught and the Heresy delayed or even averted.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
So we agree that both sides just failed in this situation then? I still think the Interex are the bigger failures seeing as they have the pretension to show themselves as morally and socially superior and they just fail when they suffered under pressure.

Fair enough, i'll agree that both could have handled this situation better, but I deem the Imperium to have failed here.

And displaying them out in the open is just inviting someone to come and steal it...

Tadashi wrote:
And displaying them out in the open is just inviting someone to come and steal it...

Man, someone should really tell the Louvre to put the Mona Lisa away.

I wonder how many attempts have been made to steal it...

Pilau Rice wrote:
As a reminder of what they are and what they can do maybe. Everything was going swimmingly with the Interex until a member of the Imperium decides to steal a weapon, set the place on fire and kill the master of the hall. It might have been naive to display them so willingly, but until the likes of Erebus showed up there was no cause for concern.

It was only going swimmingly cause no one had any interest in stealing it but when Chaos, who the Interex claim to fight, paid attention to trying to steal it. They succeed utterly.

So something else the Imperium didn't get right

I never said otherwise for that.

The Imperium was asked to the Interex home as guests to talk about Terra, unification etc etc. When a situation arose where the Imperium were suspected of the acts, the Imperium weren't gracious and willing to comply, they denied everything and started killing their hosts. Horus might not be able to wipe out a planet on his own but his fleet of ships at anchor above the Interex planet could. They had already laid war on a planet of the Interex before. The Interex were right to be over cautious about the Imperium. If the Imperium wanted to show that they weren't all about using force to bring the Interex into the fold then they should have gone along with the Interex.

If say Horus had accepted the accusations and agreed to an investigation, Erebus would quite possibly have been caught and the Heresy delayed or even averted.

Can you post a quote about the entire situation along with page number? Cause sources I've read state that the Interex attacked first when Horus didn't give into Interex demands, also the Interex didn't act rationally in that situation by your own quote making demands angrily and not explaining things.

But if the quote you'll post proves me wrong then I will concede on this after I check up on other sources that show your correct

Fair enough, i'll agree that both could have handled this situation better, but I deem the Imperium to have failed here.

That will depend on your next post. Also you haven't replied back to me on the issue of whether the Kinebrach weapon was Chaotic or not, why?

Dytalus wrote:

Tadashi wrote:
And displaying them out in the open is just inviting someone to come and steal it...

Man, someone should really tell the Louvre to put the Mona Lisa away.

Completely different situations, the Mona Lisa being stolen affects nothing but a weapon that appears to be Chaotic being stolen is bad news.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
It was only going swimmingly cause no one had any interest in stealing it but when Chaos, who the Interex claim to fight, paid attention to trying to steal it. They succeed utterly.

Round and around we go. No one had any interest in it until the Imperium came along, who were welcomed as lost cousins, and stole it. They had no reason to suspect that the Imperium had bad intentions despite of Murder. They wanted to show the Imperium how they handled weapons, because the Imperium was obviously a warfaring culture.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Cause sources I've read state that the Interex attacked first when Horus didn't give into Interex demands, also the Interex didn't act rationally in that situation by your own quote making demands angrily and not explaining things.

That's exactly my point, the Interex have every right on their own planet to make demands of their guests if their intentions are in question. The Imperiums intentions were in question as soon as they waged war on Murder, despite of their apology.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:But if the quote you'll post proves me wrong then I will concede on this after I check up on other sources that show your correct

What other sources? All you need is the one book that the situation occurs in.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:Fair enough, i'll agree that both could have handled this situation better, but I deem the Imperium to have failed here.

That will depend on your next post

So one minute you'll agree and then you won't, dude, is there a point to this? I can convince you as much as you can convince me that the Imperium handled the situation in the correct fashion.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Also you haven't replied back to me on the issue of whether the Kinebrach weapon was Chaotic or not, why?

I was awaiting the same of you, why haven't you done it, I asked first as you made the initial declaration that it was a chaos weapon. So be a dear and pull your finger out ey?

There's plenty of modern museums with weaponry (including things like tanks, jets, missiles etc) on display, and not all of it is deactivated.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Round and around we go. No one had any interest in it until the Imperium came along, who were welcomed as lost cousins, and stole it. They had no reason to suspect that the Imperium had bad intentions despite of Murder. They wanted to show the Imperium how they handled weapons, because the Imperium was obviously a warfaring culture.

No one had any interest cause no one was interested in the stolen blade but when CHAOS not the Imperium itself but had agents in the Imperium armies like Erebus wanted the weapon, they stole it.

That's exactly my point, the Interex have every right on their own planet to make demands of their guests if their intentions are in question. The Imperiums intentions were in question as soon as they waged war on Murder, despite of their apology.

Agreed, is the Interex's right to act in whatever way they want cause its their planet but the way they acted is a diplomatic catastrophe. For example, check out the situation with America and Pakistan or Nato and Pakistan. You'll get what I mean.

What other sources? All you need is the one book that the situation occurs in.

Yes, I have to get my copy of the book in question and ask other 40ker's I know about it. But I'm first waiting for you to post a quote and page number about that entire situation for the record, thats all. Quoting a source is not that hard you know, I do it all the time.

So one minute you'll agree and then you won't, dude, is there a point to this? I can convince you as much as you can convince me that the Imperium handled the situation in the correct fashion.

It appears that neither side handled the situation correctly at all.

I was awaiting the same of you, why haven't you done it, I asked first as you made the initial declaration that it was a chaos weapon. So be a dear and pull your finger out ey?

Oh, sorry I must have missed it . Here are the links to 40k wiki:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Interex

Which states this:

The Interex ultimately became enemies of the Imperium after hostilities between the two human civilizations began when the Interex accused a diplomatic party of Luna Wolves led by the Warmaster Horus with breaking into their Hall of Devices, a museum on the Interex world of Xenobia dedicated to weaponry, and stealing a prized Kinebrach blade called an Anathame that was known to have links to Chaos.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Kinebrach

Which states this:

The Kinebrach's weapons, in particular, were of interest to the Interex and the Imperium, as they had clear ties to the Chaos powers. One example was a blade known as an Anathame, dedicated to the Chaos God Nurgle. If the name of a target was spoken to the blade, the weapon would become totally inimical to that being on an almost molecular level, producing poisons and toxins tailored specifically to them.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:
Round and around we go. No one had any interest in it until the Imperium came along, who were welcomed as lost cousins, and stole it. They had no reason to suspect that the Imperium had bad intentions despite of Murder. They wanted to show the Imperium how they handled weapons, because the Imperium was obviously a warfaring culture.

No one had any interest cause no one was interested in the stolen blade but when CHAOS not the Imperium itself but had agents in the Imperium armies like Erebus wanted the weapon, they stole it.

It doesn't matter who stole it, the point is if the Interex had reason to suspect the Imperium or Chaos or whoever then they would not have shown them the weapons. As they were acting as long lost friends they trusted the Imperium. Perharps they were wrong not to shoot first and ask questions later, which seems to be what you are saying, that they were wrong to trust the Imperium at all, and that it's ok for someone to abuse trust that is given despite a huge failing, for someone to take advantage and steal from you. And despite of who Erebus was acting for he was there as a member of the forces of the Imperium.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Agreed, is the Interex's right to act in whatever way they want cause its their planet but the way they acted is a diplomatic catastrophe. For example, check out the situation with America and Pakistan or Nato and Pakistan. You'll get what I mean.

They asked the Imperium to hand over their weapons, they refused, what else were the Interex to do? Let a force of heavily armed warriors, that are suspected of crimes, walk around and do what they want?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Quoting a source is not that hard you know, I do it all the time.

You quote Wiki, I quote sources. I've provided numerous quotes from the actual books themselves, have you?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Here are the links to 40k wiki:

The problem with Wikis is that it can be edited by anyone and is their own interpretation of events and descriptions. No where in those official sources is it mentioned that the Anathame blade is a chaos weapon. The connection with Nurgle has been made due to that fact that Erebus gave the sword to Eugan Temba, who is possessed by Nurgle.

Ovion wrote:There's plenty of modern museums with weaponry (including things like tanks, jets, missiles etc) on display, and not all of it is deactivated.

Yeah, but this is a daemon weapon we're talking about here. No 21st century weapon could match that, as it can alter reality itself (at least partly).

Pilau Rice wrote:
It doesn't matter who stole it, the point is if the Interex had reason to suspect the Imperium or Chaos or whoever then they would not have shown them the weapons. As they were acting as long lost friends they trusted the Imperium. Perharps they were wrong not to shoot first and ask questions later, which seems to be what you are saying, that they were wrong to trust the Imperium at all, and that it's ok for someone to abuse trust that is given despite a huge failing, for someone to take advantage and steal from you. And despite of who Erebus was acting for he was there as a member of the forces of the Imperium.

What? No, thats not what I mean at all. My entire point has been why did the Interex have the Chaos Blade, if it was a Chaos blade(this is in doubt), in a museum to be stolen by anyone who wanted it, thats all. From that one quote you gave the Interex officer acted in irrationally screaming at foreign dignitaries, which is what Horus and his team are, to disarm without giving a reason for why they needed to be disarmed which in politics is a no no.

They asked the Imperium to hand over their weapons, they refused, what else were the Interex to do? Let a force of heavily armed warriors, that are suspected of crimes, walk around and do what they want?

Negotiate, compromise, keep them under guard, instead of 'kill them all!!' See what I mean in not handling the situation well at all.

You quote Wiki, I quote sources. I've provided numerous quotes from the actual books themselves, have you?

For this issue, no. All I asking is a quote of the entire situation either in this thread or by pm if its not a problem for you cause it will take me 2 days to get the book in question as I have to physically go and get it. My current internet connection doesn't allow downloads.

The problem with Wikis is that it can be edited by anyone and is their own interpretation of events and descriptions. No where in those official sources is it mentioned that the Anathame blade is a chaos weapon. The connection with Nurgle has been made due to that fact that Erebus gave the sword to Eugan Temba, who is possessed by Nurgle.

So you're saying that the blade wasn't a Chaos weapon then, just to be clear and for the record?

SO, I have not read the wiki or the book in question, but this is what I understand of the argument so far:

1. It is always the victims fault when a crime is committed.
2. A person has a right to do whatever he wants if he owns superior force.
3. Primary sources are less reliable than second had sources.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:What? No, thats not what I mean at all. My entire point has been why did the Interex have the Chaos Blade, if it was a Chaos blade(this is in doubt), in a museum to be stolen by anyone who wanted it, thats all. From that one quote you gave the Interex officer acted in irrationally screaming at foreign dignitaries, which is what Horus and his team are, to disarm without giving a reason for why they needed to be disarmed which in politics is a no no.

So they are also wrong to follow orders and arrest suspected criminals now? Tule did give Loken some form of explanation when requested, despite it being somewhat garbled. But the Interex were under siege at that point, with everything pointing towards the Imperium.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Negotiate, compromise, keep them under guard, instead of 'kill them all!!' See what I mean in not handling the situation well at all.

And how exactly do you keep armed warriors under guard? This is what the Interex would have achieved if the Imperium would have handed over their weapons, showing good faith and compliance. But they didn't, leaving the Interex no option, see what I mean about not handling the situation well at all?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
For this issue, no. All I asking is a quote of the entire situation either in this thread or by pm if its not a problem for you cause it will take me 2 days to get the book in question as I have to physically go and get it. My current internet connection doesn't allow downloads.

I've given you page numbers in my quotes, read around that area in two days, give you something to look forward to.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:So you're saying that the blade wasn't a Chaos weapon then, just to be clear and for the record?

Unless it's stated somewhere other than the Horus Heresy series the Anathame is a sentient weapon created by the Kinebrach, so no, as far as I know it's not a Chaos weapon.

CpatTom wrote:SO, I have not read the wiki or the book in question, but this is what I understand of the argument so far:

1. It is always the victims fault when a crime is committed.

I had thought that the blade stolen was a Chaos blade which being shown off in a museum is the highest of stupidities and is infact a fault of the Interex if so.

2. A person has a right to do whatever he wants if he owns superior force.

When did I say that?

3. Primary sources are less reliable than second had sources.

If you actually read my discussion with Pilau Rice, I've been asking him to give me quotes so I can find out what truly happened but he refuses to do so and just taunts me by saying read the book. I want the quotes so we can truly settle the record straight of what truly happened straight from the source.

Pilau Rice wrote:
So they are also wrong to follow orders and arrest suspected criminals now?

The way it was handled was garbage, thats all I'm saying.

Tule did give Loken some form of explanation when requested, despite it being somewhat garbled. But the Interex were under siege at that point, with everything pointing towards the Imperium.

An officer who can't explain the situation clearly, no wonder everything went to frak. But when he asked the Imperials to disarm, they asked him why and he said he didn't need to give them a reason, thats what I have a problem with.

And the Interex were under siege by who?

And how exactly do you keep armed warriors under guard?

By being armed yourself.

This is what the Interex would have achieved if the Imperium would have handed over their weapons, showing good faith and compliance. But they didn't, leaving the Interex no option, see what I mean about not handling the situation well at all?

There are ways it could have been handled but it appears that neither side did them and allowed the situation to escalate into total war.

Look at it from the Imperial's perspective, you are in the middle of unknown territory and have just been molested by the locals who are screaming at you to let go of your weapons and accusing you of stealing something from them and they appear agitated and hostile. Would you, without hindsight, really want to disarm?

I've given you page numbers in my quotes, read around that area in two days, give you something to look forward to.

You're such a hardass, I can respect that . Fine, I'll go to my parent's house and get the freaking book, a trip that will cost me money .

Unless it's stated somewhere other than the Horus Heresy series the Anathame is a sentient weapon created by the Kinebrach, so no, as far as I know it's not a Chaos weapon.

You have a point. Okay, what makes the blade so special that it can wound Horus?

They stole it because it could wound Horus.

Durza wrote:They stole it because it could wound Horus.

I really got to work on my english. I mean what makes the blade so special that it can wound Horus?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:It appears so later that you skipped. But when he asked the Imperials to disarm, they asked him why and he said he didn't need to give them a reason, thats what I have a problem with.

Perhaps they should have, but the Imperium proved on Murder that they like to shoot first and then deal with the consequences, would you risk that?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:And the Interex were under siege by who?

We know as the reader that is was Erebus, but they don't know, everything points to the Imperium.

The Keeper and Hall of Devices was set on fire which were fine until the Imperium showed up.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:By being armed yourself.

And how does that work? There is a reason why they don't allow inmates in prisons to have weapons. It's so that they don't kill the prison guards and escape.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Look at it from the Imperial's perspective, you are in the middle of unknown territory and have just been molested by the locals who are screaming at you to let go of your weapons and accusing you of stealing something from them and they appear agitated and hostile. Would you, without hindsight, really want to disarm?

I see this, but would the Imperium not do the same if the Interex had done so on Terra? No, they would not have even asked to disarm them. Horus wanted to try peaceful negotiations, but when it came down to it he couldn't trust the Interex. It's not like Horus, if things did go bad should they have offered up their weapons, couldn't call down reinforcements.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:You're such a hardass, I can respect that

I'm at work and don't currently have the book with me.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
You have a point but then why did Chaos still this blade? What was so special about them?

Because perhaps it's the only thing that could lay low a Primarch, apart from maybe a Cyclonic torpedo or another Primarch. But they aren't very subtle and would probably result in a) Chaos plan being revealed and b) the death of Horus who they needed.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Durza wrote:They stole it because it could wound Horus.

I really got to work on my english. I mean what makes the blade so special that it can wound Horus?

I'm not sure. I assumed it was daemonic. If not, the whole 'say someone's name' thing doesn't really work. Maybe it was just really sharp.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Perhaps they should have, but the Imperium proved on Murder that they like to shoot first and then deal with the consequences, would you risk that?

Really it seems like your just making excuses for the Interex.

We know as the reader that is was Erebus, but they don't know, everything points to the Imperium.

The Keeper and Hall of Devices was set on fire which were fine until the Imperium showed up.

I was asking who were the Interex under siege by?

And how does that work? There is a reason why they don't allow inmates in prisons to have weapons. It's so that they don't kill the prison guards and escape.

Both sides point weapon at each other so as to keep the other covered. The situation is explained to all sides satisfaction and move on from there.

I see this, but would the Imperium not do the same if the Interex had done so on Terra? No, they would not have even asked to disarm them.

Have any proof of this?

Horus wanted to try peaceful negotiations, but when it came down to it he couldn't trust the Interex. It's not like Horus, if things did go bad should they have offered up their weapons, couldn't call down reinforcements.

Of course Horus didn't trust the Interex. No politician or countries of even our modern world trust each other. Thats why things are handled delicately so as to try and prevent little incidents from exploding into major wars and everything is done behind the scenes with lots of pretending to be friends and being polite to each other.

Also, are the Interex really that weak? Don't they have any starships of their own to oppose or at least stalemate the Imperials?

I'm at work and don't currently have the book with me.

Its fine.

Because perhaps it's the only thing that could lay low a Primarch, apart from maybe a Cyclonic torpedo or another Primarch. But they aren't very subtle and would probably result in a) Chaos plan being revealed and b) the death of Horus who they needed.

Funny enough, a Chaos player also assumed that the blade was daemonic

Durza wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Durza wrote:They stole it because it could wound Horus.

I really got to work on my english. I mean what makes the blade so special that it can wound Horus?

I'm not sure. I assumed it was daemonic. If not, the whole 'say someone's name' thing doesn't really work. Maybe it was just really sharp.

Who knows?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Really it seems like your just making excuses for the Interex.

Not entirely, i'm just trying to convey the other side of the story, as you are with the Imperium.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:I was asking who were the Interex under siege by?

And I said, until proven otherwise, the Imperium.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Both sides point weapon at each other so as to keep the other covered. The situation is explained to all sides satisfaction and move on from there.

Yes, because pointing weapons at each other is how all situations are resolved.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Have any proof of this?

Not really, but do you have proof that they wouldn't?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Of course Horus didn't trust the Interex. No politician or countries of even our modern world trust each other. Thats why things are handled delicately so as to try and prevent little incidents from exploding into major wars and everything is done behind the scenes with lots of pretending to be friends and being polite to each other.

If this is the case it's surprising how any planets willingly joined the Imperium during the Great Crusade if there was no trust. Perhaps the Interex should just have attacked Horus fleet straight away. Once again shoot first and ask questions later seems to be your way of thinking.

How is someone killing one of your civilians, burning down a valued building and stealing an artifact small? It doesn't matter what the crime was, the forces of Horus decided not to assist the Interex and left them with no choice but to use force.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Also, are the Interex really that weak? Don't they have any starships of their own to oppose or at least stalemate the Imperials?

P294 in False Gods seems to say that they get defeated by the Imperium in the end. If the Imperium is good at one thing, it's beating up on weaker races

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Funny enough, a Chaos player also assumed that the blade was daemonic

It could be, but there isn't a source to say that it is a Chaos weapon as far as I know, just a sentient blade created by the Kinebrach.