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LunaHound wrote:Why? its just paints -_-....

In the same way that an army painted up to look like the SS is "just paints", or an army of white skinned IG with all black penal legion/conscript troops is "just paint", or an army painted up as the Israeli army is "just paint". Sure, all those examples are reasonably justifiable as to why some people may have issues with them, but there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say "I'm not playing that", or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army.

Many, many people found the "NSFW" nids highly entertaining, but can you see why people would have an issue with some of the stuff that guy was putting out?

Granted, in the case of MLP I don't have that much of a problem. genuinely would not get any reference to it (other than playing against space ponies or something), but if someone had an army of chibi marines, or cute marines (whatever the ones with the pink armour and the hearts and stuff are called), I can certainly see that people may be annoyed that the background is being completely ignored (or violated, if you will ).

Kind of like if a FOW player had a hot pink SS army where the smoke markers were clouds of heart balloons, and the guns had all been replaced with penises. Such an army a) doesn't make sense in the setting, b) doesn't make sense full stop, and c) contains elements that some people might find offensive.

In the same way that an army painted up to look like the SS is "just paints", or an army of white skinned IG with all black penal legion/conscript troops is "just paint", or an army painted up as the Israeli army is "just paint". Sure, all those examples are reasonably justifiable as to why some people may have issues with them, but there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say "I'm not playing that", or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army.

Did you just compare my little pony paints to Nazi's, the KKK, and..the Israeli army? How is the last one majorly offensive?

I can certainly see that people may be annoyed that the background is being completely ignored (or violated, if you will ).

People get up in arms as soon as canon fluff is thrown up, Draigo anyone?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Did you just compare my little pony paints to Nazi's, the KKK, and..the Israeli army?

Did you read the rest of my post? Everything eventually is just "paint on a model" - some people will find certain themes offensive while others will not. Some people will react incredibly violently if you turned up with a KKK army for example.

Though I believe my point, which you quoted, is that "there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say 'I'm not playing that', or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army", regardless of what that point is, or what theme/etc triggers it. Again, in the post that you have quoted from: "people may be annoyed that the background is being completely ignored" for example...

But if you want to cherry pick which bits of my posts to read, go right ahead. Personally I thought I was one of the more balanced posters here, possibly because I don't give a monkies how the OP chooses to paint, model or play his army.

How is the last one majorly offensive?

Do you know anything about a little place we call "the Middle East", and some of the issues going on in that area and why some people might be upset about them?

Which brings up a good point: GW is so good at violating its own fluff, why worry about what other players are doing?

Also, my Krieg are painted in SS colours (what can I say? Stylish AND imposing), and I've received nothing but praise for them.

I suppose there is a valid point to be seen here, in that, no matter how you paint your mini's, there's going to be SOMEONE who takes offense to it (I.E. Thousand Sons are the sux, lolz). But MLP isn't quite as... Charged, we'll say, as the SS, KKK, what have you. There's no reason to react in the way the OP said these people did.

Fafnir wrote:Which brings up a good point: GW is so good at violating its own fluff, why worry about what other players are doing?

Ultimately all human endeavour is pointless, people still seem to care though

Also, my Krieg are painted in SS colours (what can I say? Stylish AND imposing), and I've received nothing but praise for them.

From what I've seen your Krieg don't have the all important Nazi symbols emblazoned upon them. Added to which, DKoK are traditionally painted, in many examples, as using those kinds of colours.

But if you want to cherry pick which bits of my posts to read, go right ahead. Personally I thought I was one of the more balanced posters here, possibly because I don't give a monkies how the OP chooses to paint, model or play his army.
Do you know anything about a little place we call "the Middle East", and some of the issues going on in that area and why some people might be upset about them?

The rest of your post was well thought of and I felt I didn't need to respond to it as it was well enough and stated its purpose. My confusion stemmed from having the Israeli army included in with the Gestapo and the Klan. Should have used something akin to a communistic Stalin army or North Korean. Otherwise it made it look like you equated Israeli with them. (If you do, that's a different issue, but one not to be discussed here)

or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army", regardless of what that point is, or what theme/etc triggers it.

I'd feel that someone is rather narcissistic if they believe that an army was intentionally designed to anger them. With the exception of course with something that could insult someones faith, creed, or race. I really would like to see someone who truly would grow angry with MLP colored models. (Woe be the day someone confuses all gold and white to be MLP )

ZebioLizard2 wrote:The rest of your post was well thought of and I felt I didn't need to respond to it as it was well enough and stated its purpose. My confusion stemmed from having the Israeli army included in with the Gestapo and the Klan. Should have used something akin to a communistic Stalin army or North Korean. Otherwise it made it look like you equated Israeli with them. (If you do, that's a different issue, but one not to be discussed here)

Fair enough - just got out of bed so am still a bit cranky (well, OK, I got out of bed about 2 hours ago but I am not a morning person )

I'd feel that someone is rather narcissistic if they believe that an army was intentionally designed to anger them. With the exception of course with something that could insult someones faith, creed, or race. I really would like to see someone who truly would grow angry with MLP colored models. (Woe be the day someone confuses all gold and white to be MLP )

You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.

As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).

Aren't DKOK French? And seriously, when you get to a certain time period most armies from the same general region will have the same aesthetics. It's not like most people would be able to tell the difference between an American-inspired soldier in desert fatigues when compared to an Israeli-inspired.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

In the same way that an army painted up to look like the SS is "just paints", or an army of white skinned IG with all black penal legion/conscript troops is "just paint", or an army painted up as the Israeli army is "just paint". Sure, all those examples are reasonably justifiable as to why some people may have issues with them, but there is a point for pretty much everyone where they will say "I'm not playing that", or will think the painter is intentionally trying to anger/upset people with how they have painted/modeled their army.

Did you just compare my little pony paints to Nazi's, the KKK, and..the Israeli army? How is the last one majorly offensive?

Actually, the Israeli army would be the only good comparative example in his post since the other two triggered Goodwin's Law. The Israeli army is controversial to a (relatively small) minority of the human population on earth while the SS or KKK is controversial to a majority of humanity as well as outright offensive to a very large amount of people - not to mention said colour scheme(s) would be borderline illegal in some countries in their own right (am I right in that a SS-army with SS insignias would be very close to illegal in France?).

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I think it has to do with pride, by large. Some people take a lot of pride in their army, their tactics, and take the hobby seriously because it gives them greater satisfaction exercising the hobby - and this is perfectly fine. What we've got in the OP is where someone who took the hobby very seriously simply couldn't respect someone who didn't, because there's another side and that's the people who do not take the hobby seriously and simply use it to channel their ideas of fun, and sometimes that means outright mocking the idea of "hobby purity".
What people need is a healthy respect for each other and let each other have their own space without intruding. (And I think this is where (Kanluwen, was it?) suspected that the OP didn't give the entire story, since for whatever reason forcing someone to play a tongue-in-cheek army could be very provocative for some people, the same as puritan ideals are provocative to others.)

SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.

As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).

This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.

It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'

TermiesInARaider wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.

As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).

This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.

It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'

About Britain?
Now i'm interested...

purplefood wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.

As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).

This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.

It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'

About Britain?
Now i'm interested...

Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.

Mahtamori wrote:Aren't DKOK French? And seriously, when you get to a certain time period most armies from the same general region will have the same aesthetics. It's not like most people would be able to tell the difference between an American-inspired soldier in desert fatigues when compared to an Israeli-inspired.

DKoK have mixed inspirations, mostly French and German WWI uniforms and tactics. There are a number of different colour schemes for them (for example, WWI French powder blue (which I think is an awesome colour scheme)), that also include some very "germanic" colours and designs.

(am I right in that a SS-army with SS insignias would be very close to illegal in France?).

I don't know about France, but in Germany, Nazi iconography is illegal outside of historical representation (such as in museums and doccumentaries) - not sure about historical war games.

I think it has to do with pride, by large. Some people take a lot of pride in their army, their tactics, and take the hobby seriously because it gives them greater satisfaction exercising the hobby - and this is perfectly fine. What we've got in the OP is where someone who took the hobby very seriously simply couldn't respect someone who didn't, because there's another side and that's the people who do not take the hobby seriously and simply use it to channel their ideas of fun, and sometimes that means outright mocking the idea of "hobby purity".
What people need is a healthy respect for each other and let each other have their own space without intruding. (And I think this is where (Kanluwen, was it?) suspected that the OP didn't give the entire story, since for whatever reason forcing someone to play a tongue-in-cheek army could be very provocative for some people, the same as puritan ideals are provocative to others.)

TermiesInARaider wrote:

purplefood wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.

As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).

This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.

It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'

About Britain?
Now i'm interested...

Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.

Why bother with world domination?
We already did that once got bored gave it up...
Now it's the Germans you wanna watch out for!

purplefood wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

purplefood wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:You'd be surprised at what some people can find to be offended at. I have a friend who is a pretty militant feminist and some of the stuff she comes out with in a rage over I really can't see any issue with and you have to be quite careful when speaking about feminist issues with her and a few of her friends (as being male apparently I can't have an opinion on the subject ). I have another... I would say associate... who is a militant Christian and who would probably take offense to any number of things common in the warhammer/40K setting.

As I say; everyone has their own line in the sand, or buttons that can be pressed to turn them from a reasonable person into a raging whirlwind (or anything in between).

This. There is one man at my FLGS who is the most mild-tempered, helpful man as could possibly be. But, on the side, he harbors some truely intense conpiracies. Thus, there is a sign on our door, next to the one that says 'If you whine, nobody will play with you'.

It reads, 'Please, do not talk to Gary about Britain, King Herod, King Solomon, or Carlos Santana. We thank you.'

About Britain?
Now i'm interested...

Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.

Why bother with world domination?
We already did that once got bored gave it up...
Now it's the Germans you wanna watch out for!

Please, don't give him any ideas.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Essentially, he's convinced Britain is waging an economic war with their many former colonies, territories, and what have you, (The United States, South Africa, Canada, Australia, ect.) in an effort at world domination. To be honest, it'd make for interesting stuff in a book, but once he get's going, the man WILL NOT SHUT UP ABOUT IT. :/ Kings Herod and Solomon tie into his whole Illuminati thing, and he just really, REALLY likes Carlos Santana.

Tell him that Santana got big by copying the British guitarist Peter Green. That oughta really get him going

Alrighty to clear some things up here.

1. They guessed that my Space Marines chapter was My Little Pony related based on the name, The Celestial Marines.

2. I do not include pony models, PICTURES, or any other sort in the color scheme or not, it is merely inspiration and a name here and there.

3. I always have fluff justifications for my names, Lunas Legion which is my heavy armor - Titan legio is named after Holy Terra's moon Luna.
The Celestial Marine are a chapter that's Fortress Monastery is orbiting closely the sun in the Sol System, it has strong ties with the Church thus the Fleur De Lis symbol.

4. They only ever knew about my first army because 1 guy guessed well about my inspiration so I told everyone, at the time noone cared or they actually liked my paint scheme.

When I first saw them, I was reminded of Star Wars clone troopers. (I hope you can forgive me.)

Either way, I guess it has been said before, but I'll say it again: It's your army. Not my, not his army, your army. If you take the time to collect, paint, modify and base your entire army then I would gladly play against it, based upon MLP or not.

Alexzandvar wrote:The Tyranid player immediately shouts "HOLY THATS FROM MY LITTLE PONY", I give him a look and said, "Oh you watch as well?", he then responds with "Lol I don't that shows for fags and horse er's".

Sorry but this part just made me spew tea all over my keyboard. Thought I'd share.

Take in some pre-heresy Luna Wolves, and while playing make constant mlp references.

Alexzandvar wrote:Alrighty to clear some things up here.

1. They guessed that my Space Marines chapter was My Little Pony related based on the name, The Celestial Marines.

2. I do not include pony models, PICTURES, or any other sort in the color scheme or not, it is merely inspiration and a name here and there.

3. I always have fluff justifications for my names, Lunas Legion which is my heavy armor - Titan legio is named after Holy Terra's moon Luna.
The Celestial Marine are a chapter that's Fortress Monastery is orbiting closely the sun in the Sol System, it has strong ties with the Church thus the Fleur De Lis symbol.

4. They only ever knew about my first army because 1 guy guessed well about my inspiration so I told everyone, at the time noone cared or they actually liked my paint scheme.

To be honest, I'm curious to what your imperial army looks like. I wouldn't blame you for not posting a pic, but like I said, i'm curious to see what all the fuss is about.

As far as the paint scheme you posted, it looks fine. The store employees were unprofessional, abusive, and need to grow up. Honestly I would not spend a dime in that store any more, and I would mention this to friends who you played with and let them know you won't spend a dime in that store. Then, I would spend every moment in that store with my army, and use a video camera to create army battle reports. Wait for them to insult you and your paint scheme again in such a manner, and get the offenders banned and/or fired. But thats me being vindictive.

We find our inspiration from the world around us, and shouldn't be riducled for such sources.

The redshirts job these days is simple: sell as much goods as they can and make money for GW.

Alienating a Customer and putting him down in front of other people is REALLY bad for sales.

If he dosn't like something the customer has done than he should keep it to himself.

Were you jusified:

If it went down how you said it did then absolutely yes. Poor customer service is not acceptable to me as a cuastomer.

The GW shops caters to the public many of which are children and teens.

If a child of mine returned from a GW shop after over hearing something like that e.g. asking me what a gay bar was, you can be sure I would be ringing the Manager of said shop.

Castiel wrote:Take in some pre-heresy Luna Wolves, and while playing make constant mlp references.

Always liked the Luna Wolves pain scheme. :/ Gonna have to go behind my Crimson Fists and Hylian Knights, though.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something.

What, exactly, is wrong with that paint scheme?

My SoB Celestians are painted in white and gold, though they do have pink robes. White with gold trim looks pretty good on plate armor.

Pouncey wrote:I'm sorry, I must have missed something.

What, exactly, is wrong with that paint scheme?

Absolutely nothing.

And as far as I'm concerned, you could have painted them bright pink and have a rainbow on their shoulder pad. The GW staffer could still get fethed for all his opinion matters.

A pony gakfest on my Dakkadakka? -neat-.

Imo that's much -much- better then the ridicule the local my gamerbase would give you OP.

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

...and ignorance and judgement rears its ugly head (reported). How is a white and gold scheme with a military symbol not appropriate for space marines?!

Lobukia wrote:

Kaldor wrote:If you're going to incorporate something as stupid as MLP in your 40K, you'd better expect the blowback. Doesn't mean they were right, but you gotta expect it.

Just sayin.

...and ignorance and judgement rears its ugly head (reported). How is a white and gold scheme with a military symbol not appropriate for space marines?!

What someone does in their own time is their own business. But if you're going to do it in a public arena, then you'd better expect public commentary. And not all public commentary will be nice. In fact, the further you deviate from the 'norm', the more that negative feedback will grow.

Hell, as a customer I'd hate to be in a store that was full of adult fans of MLP. I'd hate to see MLP incorporated into 40K armies. And if a store condoned that kind of MLP content, however tacitly, I would not patronise it, and I'm certainly not alone here. It's downright creepy. As a customer, I'd appreciate store managers quietly asking customers to leave their MLP influences at home, or take their patronage elsewhere. There's no need to be rude about it, or do it in public though.

TL;DR - Don't come crying to the internet when people call you out for doing stupid things.

How the hell did he get MLP? is he that much of a homophobe that just because of the world celestial he thinks is related to MLP.

OK but here is my opinion, if it was another employee that insulted you i would call/write a letter to either the manger or the regional manager and demand an apology and or termination of the employee, saying you will never shop there again until you do get one of the two. Being talking to like that over a paint job is beyond unacceptable there is nothing wrong with that paint scheme at all, and frankly if i was that store manager i would have terminated him on the spot, kicked the other kid out of my store, tell him never to come back that he was banned, AND give you 50 bucks store credit. being flamed over gak like that is just stupid.

Oh and also MLP is a great lol, respect for the Bronies, i <3 derpy hooves

I just always found it odd that bronies would act so queer and obessive to show their pride in their fandom. But then weep a metaphorical river for when someone makes fun of them. And often just become further bait for trolling. Why oh -why- does everything have to be mlp with them?

*Disclaimer, I mean the ye' old defination of queer*

Imo, grow some thicker skin bronies or else you will always just be prodded at to see you over react.