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It looks like (according to their FAQ thing) you dont need a Codex to play.. Does this mean each faction has gone Vanilla for Killteam?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
It looks like (according to their FAQ thing) you dont need a Codex to play.. Does this mean each faction has gone Vanilla for Killteam?

It means everyone's rules (including their faction-specific stratagems) are in the core book. It doesn't seem like there'll be chapter tactics, if that's what you mean.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
It looks like (according to their FAQ thing) you dont need a Codex to play.. Does this mean each faction has gone Vanilla for Killteam?

It means everyone's rules (including their faction-specific stratagems) are in the core book. It doesn't seem like there'll be chapter tactics, if that's what you mean.

I think he was referring to chapter tactics and what not, and yes - everyone has gone vanilla.
But the rules are all in fact included in the core rules

I can see GW doing many rule expansions in the future. Maybe things like jump troops, light vehicle, etc. will be added for all races in subsequent books. If they really want to do a tight ruleset this time I totally see the advantages, instead of throwing everything at once in the first book.

Anyone have any idea if knockdown will be a thing? I wanted to like SW:A but the knockdown mechanic was utter tripe.

I'm just over the moon for the Sector Imperialis reboot. Would be nice to see something more like hab blocks though.

 sphynx wrote:
I'm just over the moon for the Sector Imperialis reboot. Would be nice to see something more like hab blocks though.

Some city terrain that is not already blasted ruins is what I'd like.

rhavien wrote:
I can see GW doing many rule expansions in the future. Maybe things like jump troops, light vehicle, etc. will be added for all races in subsequent books. If they really want to do a tight ruleset this time I totally see the advantages, instead of throwing everything at once in the first book.

There has never been an instance in GW's history where a "tight ruleset" was their objective. These 40k skirmish games have been very light on solid mechanics, SW:A was painful to play in most instances IMO.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Bad news I'm afraid. It is the same price as Alarielle in both the UK and Europe so it will be AUD$225.

Well feth that then.

If GW are going to insist that we pay twice what most others pay, then I'll continue to insist on giving them $0 instead.

Yeah, it's crazy.

GP => Au$ = $142
CAD => Au$ = $163
USD => Au$ = $174

But expected actual Australian price? $225? Can we all go holidaying to the UK, just to grab some sets?

 Kirasu wrote:

rhavien wrote:
I can see GW doing many rule expansions in the future. Maybe things like jump troops, light vehicle, etc. will be added for all races in subsequent books. If they really want to do a tight ruleset this time I totally see the advantages, instead of throwing everything at once in the first book.

There has never been an instance in GW's history where a "tight ruleset" was their objective. These 40k skirmish games have been very light on solid mechanics, SW:A was painful to play in most instances IMO.

Yes there has, Shadespire

It is no coincidence they announced that they were bringing in the Shadespire designers very prominently when they first presented this either.

hvg3akaek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Bad news I'm afraid. It is the same price as Alarielle in both the UK and Europe so it will be AUD$225.

Well feth that then.

If GW are going to insist that we pay twice what most others pay, then I'll continue to insist on giving them $0 instead.

Yeah, it's crazy.

GP => Au$ = $142
CAD => Au$ = $163
USD => Au$ = $174

But expected actual Australian price? $225? Can we all go holidaying to the UK, just to grab some sets?

I could be mistaken, but I think the initial shipping to Aus is part of the problem. Not the shipping across the country, but the container shipping across the ocean. Everything I've heard about points to stupid international shipping costs for you guys.

Shipping isn't 200% cost expensive.

This also isn't an "australia shipping industry and taxes" thread, so lets do our best to not let the misery of your prison world derail us too far.

 Weazel wrote:
Anyone have any idea if knockdown will be a thing? I wanted to like SW:A but the knockdown mechanic was utter tripe.

If I had to guess, I'd say it won't be in Kill Team. The pinning mechanic is one of the few really stupid rules in Necromunda and the fact someone at GW figured it should be kept for Shadow War Armageddon (when they evidently were willing to adjust at least a few things like ammo rolls) does not inspire confidence, but Kill Team appears to be designed from the ground up. It doesn't make sense to import that specific rule when everything else is more along the lines of 8th ed/AoS.

Would be damn funny though if it did end up being in Kill Team.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 sphynx wrote:
I'm just over the moon for the Sector Imperialis reboot. Would be nice to see something more like hab blocks though.

Some city terrain that is not already blasted ruins is what I'd like.

While we'll have to see how everything is arranged on sprue, I'd say it looks promising so far. I thought there were plenty of intact building tiles in those pictures. Only has to translate into getting enough of those per box.

It's really nice terrain. I hope GW gets that part right.

 Weazel wrote:
Anyone have any idea if knockdown will be a thing? I wanted to like SW:A but the knockdown mechanic was utter tripe.

I don't know about knockdown, but there will be flesh wounds.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/07/11/kill-team-focus-tyranids/

Hell yeah, Lictors!

Are Tyranid Warriors the beefiest unit revealed so far?

Edit: I said Tyranid, see? Not Necrons! I swear! Never edited it!
Alternately: Aren't they the same thing?
Option 3: I should have edited it to say Kabalite, just to see the reactions.

Bharring wrote:
Are Necron Warriors the beefiest unit revealed so far?

No, but Tyranid Warrriors are.

While they're the smallest synapse creature available and it makes sense they're there, it's a bit sad that we didn't get Ogryns, then.

At least the Lictor making it in gives me hope we may see Fayled Ones for Necrons. Here's hoping for Monday!

Terrifying synapse beasts, Warriors are monstrous in Kill Team, boasting deadly bio-morphs, providing Synapse support for lesser creatures and disrupting enemy psykers.

Psykers, eh? Have we seen anything about those yet?

Jacksmiles wrote:

Terrifying synapse beasts, Warriors are monstrous in Kill Team, boasting deadly bio-morphs, providing Synapse support for lesser creatures and disrupting enemy psykers.

Psykers, eh? Have we seen anything about those yet?

No, but my money would be on Eldar Warlocks, Grey Knights and maybe Thousand Sons.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Astra militarum

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/07/10/10th-july-kill-team-focus-the-astra-militarumgw-homepage-post-1/

"Special Weapons Gunner" as a separate category from Guardsmen... Does that mean that Guardsmen can take only lasguns (maybe shotguns)? I'm getting more and more curious as how Kill Teams are built, as it seems to me these two could have easily been the same category with additional wargear - and that while the Nob for Orks appears to be an upgrade! Curiouser and curiouser.

We've already seen, haven't we, the skill tree for a specialist gunner? That's why it's a different unit to standard guardsman.

 Geifer wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Are Necron Warriors the beefiest unit revealed so far?

No, but Tyranid Warrriors are.

While they're the smallest synapse creature available and it makes sense they're there, it's a bit sad that we didn't get Ogryns, then.

At least the Lictor making it in gives me hope we may see Fayled Ones for Necrons. Here's hoping for Monday!

The opportunity to have an all Lictor kill team has given me faith that further revealed races will have the capacity to be more varied. So yes. Flayed ones. We can only cross our fingers and hope!

 Sabotage! wrote:
Only three options for Guard is a bit of a let down. No Veterans? .

That's what narrative play is for - if a guardsman lasts for enough battles, he'll become a veteran.


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 Weazel wrote:
Anyone have any idea if knockdown will be a thing? I wanted to like SW:A but the knockdown mechanic was utter tripe.

I would hope some sort of suppression fire mechanic is in there. It's the glaring omission from 40k.

 xttz wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:

Terrifying synapse beasts, Warriors are monstrous in Kill Team, boasting deadly bio-morphs, providing Synapse support for lesser creatures and disrupting enemy psykers.

Psykers, eh? Have we seen anything about those yet?

No, but my money would be on Eldar Warlocks, Grey Knights and maybe Thousand Sons.

*smacks head* I never remember the psyker troops. I'd be surprised if Eldar get warlocks though, they're still an HQ this edition right? I know it's a totally different system but they seem to be sticking with troops/elites so far.

 Geifer wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
Anyone have any idea if knockdown will be a thing? I wanted to like SW:A but the knockdown mechanic was utter tripe.

If I had to guess, I'd say it won't be in Kill Team. The pinning mechanic is one of the few really stupid rules in Necromunda and the fact someone at GW figured it should be kept for Shadow War Armageddon (when they evidently were willing to adjust at least a few things like ammo rolls) does not inspire confidence, but Kill Team appears to be designed from the ground up. It doesn't make sense to import that specific rule when everything else is more along the lines of 8th ed/AoS.

Would be damn funny though if it did end up being in Kill Team.

Anyone else notice under Genestealer? "Elite, mobile and hard to pin down, Genestealers are..."

 ghosty wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Are Necron Warriors the beefiest unit revealed so far?

No, but Tyranid Warrriors are.

While they're the smallest synapse creature available and it makes sense they're there, it's a bit sad that we didn't get Ogryns, then.

At least the Lictor making it in gives me hope we may see Fayled Ones for Necrons. Here's hoping for Monday!

The opportunity to have an all Lictor kill team has given me faith that further revealed races will have the capacity to be more varied. So yes. Flayed ones. We can only cross our fingers and hope!

Jacksmiles wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Jacksmiles wrote:

Terrifying synapse beasts, Warriors are monstrous in Kill Team, boasting deadly bio-morphs, providing Synapse support for lesser creatures and disrupting enemy psykers.

Psykers, eh? Have we seen anything about those yet?

No, but my money would be on Eldar Warlocks, Grey Knights and maybe Thousand Sons.

*smacks head* I never remember the psyker troops. I'd be surprised if Eldar get warlocks though, they're still an HQ this edition right? I know it's a totally different system but they seem to be sticking with troops/elites so far.

Warlocks do come as both units and single models. They are also one of the weediest characters in all of 40K with 2 Wounds.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Didn't see there's a Rogue Trader warband too! One isn't on the faction focus rundown, but it certainly fits the INQ28 bill while Inquisition are in-bound

I wouldn't get too excited yet.

Changes are the minis in that expansion are mono-pose and will all have set weapons, the very opposite of INQ28

No Inq28 player worth their salt is going to let the fact that a mini is monopose stop them from converting it. I think over half the minis in the new warband I’m currently working on are based on monopose minis

I don't understand this idea that only if a miniature has options you can convert it. Quite the contrary, when one miniature has just one option then you are absolutely free to do whatever you want with it, because theres no confusion.

"This is my X. He can only use a Power Axe. Oh yeah I gave him a shield and a giant power-lance with a standard because he comes from a medieval world, but it doesn't really matter"
And you aren't punished for picking the option that you like more visually but is worse in rules.

 Galas wrote:
I don't understand this idea that only if a miniature has options you can convert it. Quite the contrary, when one miniature has just one option then you are absolutely free to do whatever you want with it, because theres no confusion.

"This is my X. He can only use a Power Axe. Oh yeah I gave him a shield and a giant power-lance with a standard because he comes from a medieval world, but it doesn't really matter"
And you aren't punished for picking the option that you like more visually but is worse in rules.

I am too much of a simulationist to be comfortable with that, especially as the game actually has rules for lances and shields. It will be confusing for opponents as well. (I really preferred the time when the game just had power weapons that you could model however you liked without an issue.)