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stubacca wrote:

Neith wrote:

Lorizael wrote:There's no sand or grit in them at all- thin them and try to find some..
It clumps on it's own due to whatever weird chemical is in it.
The texture is pretty cool stuff, it just seems to take some practice to get right.

Hmm, staff in my local GW said that they had bits of sand and grit in. Gotta admit when I used it, there looked like small grains in the paint but perhaps not.

@ Whoever was asking about Mephiston Red: It's far brighter than Mechrite. Probably somewhere halfway between Mechrite and Blood Red. Khorne Red wasn't in the store so I couldn't have a look at that.

it isn't though, 2.30 x 14 = £333.50, plus you're getting a carry case for all the paints, so you do get it a bit cheaper than if you bought it all individually.


The thing that really annoys me though, since I work in a GW stockist, and I'm friends with another guy who's a stockist, is that they haven't told us anything about the new range.

All they said in January/February was that we had to sell down our existing range, we were only getting paints in ones or twos rather than sixes, that's it. If we had to buy all 145 paints, at 6 paints a pack, you're looking at £1000 and then a paint stand on top, and that's about £100 I think. Small retailers can't afford those kind of prices as a one off payment

I'm fairly sure I remember the guy at the FLGS saying that GW was giving them a new paint rack to display all the new paints.

Some people have many armies, like to paint random models, or are more artist than gamer. These guys are the ones who want any and every color at their disposal.

I have tried to stock up on Dheneb Stone but the uk site no longer lists it, which is slightly annoying seeing as the new paints aren't even out yet.

I'm really hoping the alternative Rakarth Flesh (i think?) matches well, although it seems that the new ones don't cover aswell as the Foundations.

Barrington wrote:I have tried to stock up on Dheneb Stone but the uk site no longer lists it, which is slightly annoying seeing as the new paints aren't even out yet.

I'm really hoping the alternative Rakarth Flesh (i think?) matches well, although it seems that the new ones don't cover aswell as the Foundations.

Because they probably don't have it to sell, they'd have known about this for a while, so any stock will probably either be in GW stores, or local stockists

stubacca wrote:The thing that really annoys me though, since I work in a GW stockist, and I'm friends with another guy who's a stockist, is that they haven't told us anything about the new range.

All they said in January/February was that we had to sell down our existing range, we were only getting paints in ones or twos rather than sixes, that's it. If we had to buy all 145 paints, at 6 paints a pack, you're looking at £1000 and then a paint stand on top, and that's about £100 I think. Small retailers can't afford those kind of prices as a one off payment

So you were told to buy off the old paints and prepare for a major investment after that ... and you haven't thought of GW selling a new paint range???

BTW for retailers the new rack is free and you get a looong time to pay off the paint range. Just talk to your GW representative, who should phone you this week.

Kroothawk wrote:

stubacca wrote:The thing that really annoys me though, since I work in a GW stockist, and I'm friends with another guy who's a stockist, is that they haven't told us anything about the new range.

All they said in January/February was that we had to sell down our existing range, we were only getting paints in ones or twos rather than sixes, that's it. If we had to buy all 145 paints, at 6 paints a pack, you're looking at £1000 and then a paint stand on top, and that's about £100 I think. Small retailers can't afford those kind of prices as a one off payment

So you were told to buy off the old paints and prepare for a major investment after that ... and you haven't thought of GW selling a new paint range???

BTW for retailers the new rack is free and you get a looong time to pay off the paint range. Just talk to your GW representative, who should phone you this week.

haha, no obviously we knew it was coming, but the details were sketchy. All we knew was 145 + a new stand = expensive, and it's been quiet for the last few months retail wise, so it's money that could be better spent elsewhere.

I can still get access to them at my friends store, he's got a greater GW turnover, it's just that I won't be able to use my 20% discount haha

stubacca wrote:

Barrington wrote:I have tried to stock up on Dheneb Stone but the uk site no longer lists it, which is slightly annoying seeing as the new paints aren't even out yet.

I'm really hoping the alternative Rakarth Flesh (i think?) matches well, although it seems that the new ones don't cover aswell as the Foundations.

Because they probably don't have it to sell, they'd have known about this for a while, so any stock will probably either be in GW stores, or local stockists

Just been into GW Preston to specifically buy some Dheneb Stone, but they're out. The closest match to it from the new range isn't really a good match at all, in fact its very different. I've just been down to Hobby Craft and bought a few pots as well as some other colours I use a lot of.

I grabbed 29 of them earlier, mostly new ones, although I did grab a Caliban Green, to see if there will be a marked difference over using it instead of Dark Angels Green on the black undercoat.

now I'm no expert, but I do know a guy who makes ink, printing press ink, which is pretty similar to paint. He can take anything and reproduce the color, anything. The secret service comes in a few times a year at random to make sure the company isn't making "money green". Now if a small local manufacturer can reproduce any color imaginable, I would have to assume that a company that can meet giant demands has to have at least the same abilities as the little guy. IMO they never wanted to stay anywhere near their old colors, as they are dated and now for sale by other vendors. By making their line triple in size they see 3x's the money in theory. By making new colors it in theory will "get rid of" people's old paints that they have been using for years and force them to change to the new sets or everything will not match, well if you buy and model new sets.

Somewhere in a thinktank someone said, "We need to get people to stop using these old paints that they have had for years. When they have them for years they aren't buying new ones, and we need sales! Triple the paint line and change all the colors, that will make 2012 quite profitable."


TL/DR crowd : saying you can't match a color is a straight up lie, a LIE

TheSecretSquig wrote:

stubacca wrote:

Barrington wrote:I have tried to stock up on Dheneb Stone but the uk site no longer lists it, which is slightly annoying seeing as the new paints aren't even out yet.

I'm really hoping the alternative Rakarth Flesh (i think?) matches well, although it seems that the new ones don't cover aswell as the Foundations.

Because they probably don't have it to sell, they'd have known about this for a while, so any stock will probably either be in GW stores, or local stockists

The closest match to it from the new range isn't really a good match at all, in fact its very different.

Thats what i was worried about. I got a couple of pots from my GW store today so hoepfully they will last for a while. In what way is it different colour or consistency?

So when are these out anyway?

April 7th

They changed it and I dont like it one bit... It basicly means they are going to say that you need these paint for minitures.

Nurgle wrote:They changed it and I dont like it one bit... It basicly means they are going to say that you need these paint for minitures.

As opposed to before...?

Remember wet paint in the pot and dry paint on the model can have different shades.

Over all the range looks like it's thinned better. they have made it so we basically never have to mix colors if we really don't want to. I am really sad they didn't go back to the old pots but they must have their reasons.

Ghaz wrote:Remember wet paint in the pot and dry paint on the model can have different shades.

Yup. Acylics dry to different colours than when wet. An nope, all the new ones i've used are not nearly close enough that you could carry on with any half finished projects and not notice a blatant difference in colour.

At best they were lazy, at worst (and lets face it, much more likely) they want you to be in awe of your new-found skillz and colours, and go back and redo the first half of you army with the new paints.... Three times the amount of new paints that is too, as you no longer *have* to mix your highlight tones.

Anyone Try the Agrax Earthshade yet?

Is it just Devlan mud with a new name or is it completely different?

Either way I think we should all complain to GW to get our Devlan Mud back lol.

I have like 4 pots of it and hoarding it lol.

Orki wrote:At best they were lazy, at worst (and lets face it, much more likely) they want you to be in awe of your new-found skillz and colours, and go back and redo the first half of you army with the new paints...

Or maybe they got as close as they could with the formulation that they wanted for the new paints. There's no reason to attribute a motive to their actions without any facts to back it up.

Ghaz wrote:

Orki wrote:At best they were lazy, at worst (and lets face it, much more likely) they want you to be in awe of your new-found skillz and colours, and go back and redo the first half of you army with the new paints...

Or maybe they got as close as they could with the formulation that they wanted for the new paints. There's no reason to attribute a motive to their actions without any facts to back it up.

Nope. Sorry mate, they are quite capable of matching colours to the nth degree, just as has already been mentioned. Even Homebase etc can match pigments with unerring accuracy from scans of whatever you hand to them. There's your fact. Now re-read what I said.

As for a motive... how about the fact that they are a business, and rightfully seek to make money from their investment. That's just what business do - try to maximise profit. GW have been very good (or bad, depending on your stance) at doing that over recent years. Now, can you provide us with a motive (backed up by facts), as to why they wouldn't seek to maximise profits?

Actually, don't answer that...

I tried the new paints on Saturday. They're ok. I don't see an improvement big enough to justify buying a whole new line of paints. There are a few colors I will pick up, but I'll stick with Vallejo model color and Vallejo game color.

Orki wrote:Nope. Sorry mate, they are quite capable of matching colours to the nth degree, just as has already been mentioned.

Don't believe everything you read online. You have no proof that they were capable of matching the color with the desired formulation.

It takes 3 colors 5 if you count white and black and any home depot can do it with any paint
all colors are based off of the three primaries Red,Yellow,Blue
They just want you to switch

And we're not talking about house paints. What proof do you have that you have that you can produce acrylic miniature paint in any color and not affect the other properties of the paint (coverage, dry time, cost, etc).

I demoed some yesterday, and was reluctantly impressed.

Reluctantly because I have a lot of paints already.

Eisenhorn wrote:It takes 3 colors 5 if you count white and black and any home depot can do it with any paint
all colors are based off of the three primaries Red,Yellow,Blue
They just want you to switch

But if was so easy, we could switch to any other line with no problem. Even Vallejo and P3 paints that are meant to mirror GW's old paints don't always match exactly and no one had a good match for Hawk Turquoise. And now it's gone :(

silent25 wrote:

Eisenhorn wrote:It takes 3 colors 5 if you count white and black and any home depot can do it with any paint
all colors are based off of the three primaries Red,Yellow,Blue
They just want you to switch

But if was so easy, we could switch to any other line with no problem. Even Vallejo and P3 paints that are meant to mirror GW's old paints don't always match exactly and no one had a good match for Hawk Turquoise. And now it's gone :(

Holding both in my hand this very moment, Vallejo's Game Color Turquoise and Hawk Turquoise are 1:1 matches. QQ less.

Right now the paint is 3.75usd, I wonder if that will also be changed with the new colors?

shasolenzabi wrote:Right now the paint is 3.75usd, I wonder if that will also be changed with the new colors?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat800002a&rootCatGameStyle=

$3.70 actually. The price for the new is the same as the old.

Eisenhorn wrote:It takes 3 colors 5 if you count white and black and any home depot can do it with any paint
all colors are based off of the three primaries Red,Yellow,Blue
They just want you to switch

Having been a professional house painter for a time I can tell you that the computer matching at Home Depot fails frequently enough. The best matching is actually done by a tinter at a paint store (who use more than 5 colors btw). Even then though, matching colors doesn't always work.