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We might even see it in a few years

The DE Voidraven is in that half-point too.

After looking at more pictures of the Stormtalon and the 360 image, it's really starting to grow on me.

I think the Necron and Ork flyers look exactly as they should look, and I love the Dakkajet's rules.

It looks far better side-on.

That front angle shot is ugly as sin, but from other angles it's not that horrific.

Clarence wrote:After looking at more pictures of the Stormtalon and the 360 image, it's really starting to grow on me.

I think the Necron and Ork flyers look exactly as they should look, and I love the Dakkajet's rules.

This didn't take as long as I figured...

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Ehsteve wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Not all the weapons are twin-linked. I believe the missiles are not. And consider that with the melta heavy lists out there, ceramite plating helps to counteract meltas.

It is AV 11. This does not help against missiles, lascannons, autocannons, assault cannons, railguns, ordinance etc.

All it does is reduce the chance of not doing anything from a 1/36 to a 1/3, glances from 1/18 to 1/6. An all over reduction in vehicle pens from 11/12 to 2/3 and ups the chances of glancing (at AP1) by x3.

Again: AV11, not a lot of help vs. the plethora of other anti-tank weaponry out there, just against the one.

AV 11 does make it immune to most small arms, however, unlike AV10. It also can move 12" and fire everything.

Compare a base loadout Talon with a Land Speeder with a HB/Assault cannon, the closest equivalent. For the cost of the Landspeeder's assault cannon upgrade extra, you get both weapons twinlinked, Ceramite armor, +1 AV, faster speed, and while it loses deepstrike, it gains the ability to tag along with another unit in reserves, including outflanking.

But you get 2 Land Speeders which need to be targeted seperately, are cheaper, and have the ability to get Multimeltas (double for 80pts). More versatility, more models, same firepower. The Stormtalon is on a large oval base (large base =/= good), hence easier to assault and what advantage does it give to a vehicle without a transport capacity? Also remember the storm Talon is raised higher upon it's base due to the stand, whereas a land speeder comes with a short clear stand option, keeping it lower to the ground and harder to hit.

Heavy Bolter/Assault Cannon Land Speeders are terrible. Either compare them to typoons or double Multimelta.

40k is not a game where putting all your eggs in one basket is a good idea.

Ehsteve wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Ehsteve wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Not all the weapons are twin-linked. I believe the missiles are not. And consider that with the melta heavy lists out there, ceramite plating helps to counteract meltas.

It is AV 11. This does not help against missiles, lascannons, autocannons, assault cannons, railguns, ordinance etc.

All it does is reduce the chance of not doing anything from a 1/36 to a 1/3, glances from 1/18 to 1/6. An all over reduction in vehicle pens from 11/12 to 2/3 and ups the chances of glancing (at AP1) by x3.

Again: AV11, not a lot of help vs. the plethora of other anti-tank weaponry out there, just against the one.

AV 11 does make it immune to most small arms, however, unlike AV10. It also can move 12" and fire everything.

Compare a base loadout Talon with a Land Speeder with a HB/Assault cannon, the closest equivalent. For the cost of the Landspeeder's assault cannon upgrade extra, you get both weapons twinlinked, Ceramite armor, +1 AV, faster speed, and while it loses deepstrike, it gains the ability to tag along with another unit in reserves, including outflanking.

But you get 2 Land Speeders which need to be targeted seperately, are cheaper, and have the ability to get Multimeltas (double for 80pts). More versatility, more models, same firepower. The Stormtalon is on a large oval base (large base =/= good), hence easier to assault and what advantage does it give to a vehicle without a transport capacity? Also remember the storm Talon is raised higher upon it's base due to the stand, whereas a land speeder comes with a short clear stand option, keeping it lower to the ground and harder to hit.

Heavy Bolter/Assault Cannon Land Speeders are terrible. Either compare them to typoons or double Multimelta.

40k is not a game where putting all your eggs in one basket is a good idea.

I'd like to note that in competitive formats land speeders (Which are solidly better) aren't even considered very good. They rarely see tournament tables outside of Vulkan lists in the basic marine book. They're just too expensive and frail to fill an an anti transport role well, they aren't suited to very many other roles, and they're inferior to many common choices for long range fire support. The stormtalon is playing catchup to a second stringer. That's no good.

Here are good and bad points about it

Bad
It competes with Land Speeders. And is more expensive
Large model not getting cover well.
When upgraded with a TML it costs nearly 3X the cost of a Standard LS.

Good
Its standard loadout of TL HB and TL AC it costs just 40pts more than a Speeder with the same, untwinlinked, Unceramite shielded, Hover Strikeless, subsonic, not ariel assaulting Land Speeder with less armour
Its Supersonic rule allows it to threathen enemies a lot quicker than a Speeder
Ariel Assault makes it a lot more shooty moving at Cruising but with all the perks (6+ to hit in CC)
Hover Strike gives it Pinning shots against everything, and BS 5 against anything that isn't flying (ie, anything not a JI, Jetbike or Skimmer)
Escort rule allows you to get serious firepower at a point on the board at a crucial time without a seperate reserves roll, and outflanking scouts can put it right.at the enemy lines
Heavier armour than a speeder
Doesn't compete for Land Raider, Predator or Vindicator slots
Doesn't suffer from having to move at crusing speed when entering from reserves like Vendettas or stormravens
Skyhammer missiles outrange Imperial heavy weapons like ML and Lascannons

Deadshot wrote:Here are good and bad points about it

Bad
It competes with Land Speeders. And is more expensive
Large model not getting cover well.
When upgraded with a TML it costs nearly 3X the cost of a Standard LS.

Good
Its standard loadout of TL HB and TL AC it costs just 40pts more than a Speeder with the same, untwinlinked, Unceramite shielded, Hover Strikeless, subsonic, not ariel assaulting Land Speeder with less armour
Its Supersonic rule allows it to threathen enemies a lot quicker than a Speeder
Ariel Assault makes it a lot more shooty moving at Cruising but with all the perks (6+ to hit in CC)
Hover Strike gives it Pinning shots against everything, and BS 5 against anything that isn't flying (ie, anything not a JI, Jetbike or Skimmer)
Escort rule allows you to get serious firepower at a point on the board at a crucial time without a seperate reserves roll, and outflanking scouts can put it right.at the enemy lines
Heavier armour than a speeder
Doesn't compete for Land Raider, Predator or Vindicator slots
Doesn't suffer from having to move at crusing speed when entering from reserves like Vendettas or stormravens
Skyhammer missiles outrange Imperial heavy weapons like ML and Lascannons

All extremely valid points. Well stated and correct. I approve this message.

Now, the Ork planes are great. I personally don't like the Burna Bomba, but the Blitza Bomba and Dakkajet are sweet.

Dakkajet is my favourite, and I'll encourage my brother to get one, if only to borrow his Orks. Take RPJ, Fighta Ace and extra Supa Shoota. You now have 9 Str 6, AP 4, BS 3 (4 when not shooting Skimmers, Jetbikes or Jump Infantry) twinlinked shots at 30", and this doubles to 18 shots when a Waaagh is called. Plus it has pinning on everything!

Ace only adds skimmers, jetbikes and jump infantry to the list of valid targets for the upgrade to BS 3, it does not actually make the Dakka jet BS3. as much as i wish it did.

no, not JI
and the strafing run 9or what ever it is) gives it +1 BS and pinning to everything but skimmers, Jetbikes and JI

So BS3 against everything but Jump Infantry

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:Ace only adds skimmers, jetbikes and jump infantry to the list of valid targets for the upgrade to BS 3, it does not actually make the Dakka jet BS3. as much as i wish it did.

Ace makes it BS 3. It alters the profile.

Strafing eun makes all shots pinning. It also gives +1BS except those mentioned. It is a modifier.

They stack.

Deadshot wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:Ace only adds skimmers, jetbikes and jump infantry to the list of valid targets for the upgrade to BS 3, it does not actually make the Dakka jet BS3. as much as i wish it did.

Ace makes it BS 3. It alters the profile.

Strafing eun makes all shots pinning. It also gives +1BS except those mentioned. It is a modifier.

They stack.

Erm, no. Re-read the rules.

Ace is BS3 only when shooting against jetbikes or skimmers.

Like I said

Deadshot wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:Ace only adds skimmers, jetbikes and jump infantry to the list of valid targets for the upgrade to BS 3, it does not actually make the Dakka jet BS3. as much as i wish it did.

Ace makes it BS 3. It alters the profile.

Strafing eun makes all shots pinning. It also gives +1BS except those mentioned. It is a modifier.

They stack.

"Strafing Run: When shooting at artillery, beasts, bikes, cavalry, infantry, monstrous creatures and vehicles without the skimmer type, a Dakka Jet has +1 Ballistic Skill."

"Fighta Ace: When shooting at jetbikes or vehicles with the skimmer type, a Dakkajet with the Fighta Ace upgrade is treated as being balistic skill 3."

While you are technically correct, the rules have no overlap among the targets they work against. Jump infantry also seems to be damn hard to hit.

Someone might find this useful (for planning ahead, or just for drooling over)

I arranged all the bitz from the bommer sprues to see exactly what everything is and all the extras.

So you can angle the wings up like a Stuka, but can you also reverse those parts and angle them DOWN?

<Thinks of a group of Orks that have seen "Stargate" and want to build their own Deathglider?>

Jidmah wrote:

Deadshot wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:Ace only adds skimmers, jetbikes and jump infantry to the list of valid targets for the upgrade to BS 3, it does not actually make the Dakka jet BS3. as much as i wish it did.

Ace makes it BS 3. It alters the profile.

Strafing eun makes all shots pinning. It also gives +1BS except those mentioned. It is a modifier.

They stack.

"Strafing Run: When shooting at artillery, beasts, bikes, cavalry, infantry, monstrous creatures and vehicles without the skimmer type, a Dakka Jet has +1 Ballistic Skill."

"Fighta Ace: When shooting at jetbikes or vehicles with the skimmer type, a Dakkajet with the Fighta Ace upgrade is treated as being balistic skill 3."

While you are technically correct, the rules have no overlap among the targets they work against. Jump infantry also seems to be damn hard to hit.

You are al indeed correct. Must be a misprint in the particular one I purchased. Have crossreferenced with 6 other copies and mine is the only one with that mistake

Lord Harrab wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Make sure you take wazzdakka so you can have a lot of good ol' bikerz

Indeed, even his name adds more dakka.

You don't have to take Wazdakka though. Keep in mind that each Warboss allows you to take a unit of Nobs as troops, and both the Warboss and Nobs can be on bikes as well!


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Deadshot wrote:Now, the Ork planes are great. I personally don't like the Burna Bomba, but the Blitza Bomba and Dakkajet are sweet.

Dakkajet is my favourite, and I'll encourage my brother to get one, if only to borrow his Orks. Take RPJ, Fighta Ace and extra Supa Shoota. You now have 9 Str 6, AP 4, BS 3 (4 when not shooting Skimmers, Jetbikes or Jump Infantry) twinlinked shots at 30", and this doubles to 18 shots when a Waaagh is called. Plus it has pinning on everything!

I dunno, I could see a place for the Burna Bommer if nothing else because so many of its attacks ignore cover saves. AP4 large blasts that ignore cover at S5 are pretty excellent templates, especially when they can be fired from 24"...

That said, the Dakkajet is also the one I look forward to using the most, if only to make dakka noises everytime I fire it...

lord_blackfang wrote:Someone might find this useful (for planning ahead, or just for drooling over)

I arranged all the bitz from the bommer sprues to see exactly what everything is and all the extras.

Yes a very useful image.


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streamdragon wrote:

I dunno, I could see a place for the Burna Bommer if nothing else because so many of its attacks ignore cover saves. AP4 large blasts that ignore cover at S5 are pretty excellent templates, especially when they can be fired from 24"...

That said, the Dakkajet is also the one I look forward to using the most, if only to make dakka noises everytime I fire it...

The great think about the Burna Bommer (and what makes it worth it's points) is that all those Skorcha rokkits are seperate weapons so you can move 12" and potentially let loose with 6 of those rokkits all at the same time at that unit that is just hogging cover to blast to bits.

lord_blackfang wrote:Someone might find this useful (for planning ahead, or just for drooling over)

I arranged all the bitz from the bommer sprues to see exactly what everything is and all the extras.

Now that i've seen this, im super excited about this kit and the customization one can do to it!
Thanx for this

I'm in love with the Night Scythe/Doom Scythe model.

I don't know. Each Burna Rokkit is an expensive upgrade for a single shot weapon, and only Str 5, AP 4, 24" range at that. Mathhammer states that if all 6 missiles are fired as a salvo, only 2 will hit. That is 40pts down the drain and you still have to wound and saves. TheBlitza bomba and the Burna Bomba are also more dangerous that the dakkajet. The bombs need to be within 1" to be dropped, and even moving at cruising speed a single survivor could still wreck face if ucky. The Blitza even has a chance of destroying itself, or causing extra damage. And both are more expensive than the Dakkajet. Sure a BS 3 Big Shoota is nice, but for the same price or cheaper the Dakkajet gets 9 (18 Waagh!) Str 6, AP 4, twinlinked shots that are BS 3 against everything bar Jump Inf. and have pinning, and longer range than the missiles. plus it has more Supa Shootas for Waaagh! Plane to interact with.


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Is it possible to arm it with all the weapons slotted on somewhere, so it could be counted as any of them, or as Megabomber custom unit?

Deadshot wrote:I don't know. Each Burna Rokkit is an expensive upgrade for a single shot weapon, and only Str 5, AP 4, 24" range at that. Mathhammer states that if all 6 missiles are fired as a salvo, only 2 will hit. That is 40pts down the drain and you still have to wound and saves. TheBlitza bomba and the Burna Bomba are also more dangerous that the dakkajet. The bombs need to be within 1" to be dropped, and even moving at cruising speed a single survivor could still wreck face if ucky. The Blitza even has a chance of destroying itself, or causing extra damage. And both are more expensive than the Dakkajet. Sure a BS 3 Big Shoota is nice, but for the same price or cheaper the Dakkajet gets 9 (18 Waagh!) Str 6, AP 4, twinlinked shots that are BS 3 against everything bar Jump Inf. and have pinning, and longer range than the missiles. plus it has more Supa Shootas for Waaagh! Plane to interact with.


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Is it possible to arm it with all the weapons slotted on somewhere, so it could be counted as any of them, or as Megabomber custom unit?

Remember they're template weapons though, it's not just a straight up BS roll. So they're going to hit somewhere. It might not be your intended target, but the scatter die will still let you hit something somewhere, and with the lack of "ignoring cover" weapons for Orks, those rockets may be the answer to non-3+ armies hiding out in cover. At S5 AP4, you're usually looking at 2s to wound with no armor or cover saves. For 10 points? I'm in.

I'll not argue with you Deadshot, point for point the dakkajet is by far the better IMO, particularly in a waaaagh. But it is also the most tactically inflexible. It has the one trick that it does (very) well but with the other two you have more options.

I definitely like the dakkajet for dealing with light vehicles (or rear armor...), or trying to Pin enemy long range support (devs/long fangs) but against something like a Psifleman Dread you're hoping for glances, which is not a situation I prefer to be in, and Orks have plenty of anti-infantry available in every single slot.

It would have been better for both the Burna Bommer and the Blitza Bommer if the grot gunner allowed the grots weapon to fire at a different target. Would make sense too seen as the grot is pointing backwards on the Blitza and useful on the Burna as he is in the turret. This would add a little more flexibility to those choices.

I would have bought 3 Stormtalons for either my Red Hunters (BA Codex) or Grey Knights. I guess the guys in blue need something that is just theirs... jerks.

lord_blackfang wrote:Someone might find this useful (for planning ahead, or just for drooling over)

I arranged all the bitz from the bommer sprues to see exactly what everything is and all the extras.

That is going to be fun to build. I'm planning on 2 Dakkajets with 3 guns each, and the options mean both will look quite different.
Thanks for the parts pics.

Alpharius wrote:

BrookM wrote:Knights are not titans.

And the ranks of Platuan 4th grow!

Eventually ALL will acknowledge the gospel of truth!