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Okay. That makes me want to maybe get into resin.

My Captain Slamguinius shaped Missile earned his points back at a local fun tournament at my FLGS yesterday. He killed most of a Leviathan Dreadnought (Lemartes finished off the Leviathan) game 1, then he single handedly killed a Raider and 8 out of 9 two wound dark eldar bikers (had to burn the fight twice stratagem to get the number of attacks needed in both the first and second game) and on my third match, also against dark eldar, he dropped one of their flying bomber craft before it ever had a chance to move.

I seized the initiative on my first and third game. Wound up not placing in the very top, but had fun all the same and got to terrify people with my Hammer Welding home-boy.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

It's becoming more and more clear that a hammer jump captain is our only truly efficient tool. Pretty disappointing, really. I will say you really brave to charge into a leviathan.

I love my blood angels scout bikes probably even more than Slambo. Super good little units for a really, really fair price.

Martel732 wrote:
It's becoming more and more clear that a hammer jump captain is our only truly efficient tool. Pretty disappointing, really. I will say you really brave to charge into a leviathan.

If smash dies, then for 2CP he finishes the job with ONLY IN DEATH DOES DUTY END. Smash is 129 points and 5CP that you traded to knock out a 350 point core combat model from your opponents army. That he trades so well is why I bring two now, maybe even start bringing more in higher CP lists.

What's the difference between a Smash captain and a Lieutenant with a jump pack and thunder hammer?

Razerous wrote:
What's the difference between a Smash captain and a Lieutenant with a jump pack and thunder hammer?

The ability to take a Storm Shield. Which is what makes CPT Slam so potent. He has such strong defenses and hits like a bus.


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Martel732 wrote:
Okay. That makes me want to maybe get into resin.

I know, right? The damn tank cruises around the board and kills anything with the Fly Keyword. DE Venoms? No more problem. It sucks we can only run one Relic though. I would run two of these bad boys without a second thought.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Razerous wrote:
What's the difference between a Smash captain and a Lieutenant with a jump pack and thunder hammer?

The ability to take a Storm Shield. Which is what makes CPT Slam so potent. He has such strong defenses and hits like a bus.


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Martel732 wrote:
Okay. That makes me want to maybe get into resin.

I know, right? The damn tank cruises around the board and kills anything with the Fly Keyword. DE Venoms? No more problem. It sucks we can only run one Relic though. I would run two of these bad boys without a second thought.

Agreed about the Sicaran... I'm so happy it's both so good and such a decent model!

Re: Smash captain, agreed. But both.. profit.

More of a good thing, granted one is less good than t'other but threat saturation is real!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am thinking of adding a Relic Sicaran Battle Tank to my army. Yay or nay? One neat thing about it is it can benefit from Lucifer Pattern Engines and still fire its main weapon, so it becomes quite zippy. On the subject of sponsors, lascannons or heavy bolters? I am a bit lacking in anti-tank, so the lascannons will help some, I guess.

I would be tempted to go Lascannons personally. I find we have plenty of other units that are better at clearing chaff but a bit more anti-tank rarely goes amiss. The accelerator auto-cannon is fantastic but you will be glad of the lascannons if you run up against T8 targets.

 Karhedron wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am thinking of adding a Relic Sicaran Battle Tank to my army. Yay or nay? One neat thing about it is it can benefit from Lucifer Pattern Engines and still fire its main weapon, so it becomes quite zippy. On the subject of sponsors, lascannons or heavy bolters? I am a bit lacking in anti-tank, so the lascannons will help some, I guess.

I would be tempted to go Lascannons personally. I find we have plenty of other units that are better at clearing chaff but a bit more anti-tank rarely goes amiss. The accelerator auto-cannon is fantastic but you will be glad of the lascannons if you run up against T8 targets.

That is what I was thinking too. Sure, if I zip it around, I won't be able to shoot them, but when it is positioned well, the Lascannons will be a godsend.

Martel732 wrote:It's becoming more and more clear that a hammer jump captain is our only truly efficient tool. Pretty disappointing, really. I will say you really brave to charge into a leviathan.

A leviathan dread is rather weak in CC, when he only has ranged weapons. Only 2 attacks at S8, no AP and only 1 damage. Charge him more than 8" away to avoid his flamers, no problem for slammy with the 3D6 charge.

casvalremdeikun wrote:I know, right? The damn tank cruises around the board and kills anything with the Fly Keyword. DE Venoms? No more problem. It sucks we can only run one Relic though. I would run two of these bad boys without a second thought.

You can run more than one relic unit. For two relic units you need at least two non-relic units. Two sicaran and two two model units of company vets, to keep it cheap, in a vanguard detachment is fine.

Relic: If your army is Battle-forged, no Detachment can contain more Relic units than it does non-Relic units of the same Battlefield Role.

What are people's thoughts or the auto cannon deredero for fire support? Anyone had any experience with it?

 p5freak wrote:

casvalremdeikun wrote:I know, right? The damn tank cruises around the board and kills anything with the Fly Keyword. DE Venoms? No more problem. It sucks we can only run one Relic though. I would run two of these bad boys without a second thought.

You can run more than one relic unit. For two relic units you need at least two non-relic units. Two sicaran and two two model units of company vets, to keep it cheap, in a vanguard detachment is fine.

Relic: If your army is Battle-forged, no Detachment can contain more Relic units than it does non-Relic units of the same Battlefield Role.

Awesome! I have more than two non-relic Elites in my Vanguard Detachment. That will give me room for another Sicaran. Though for points, I would have to take out my Repulsor, which is my combo Horde/Vehicle Hunter. Still, I should be able to make it work. Looks like I will be making another Forgeworld order at some point.

I agree the Sicaran looks really good, is it better than a Predator to the point it would be worth breaking up Killshot?

I've been experimenting on my up coming tourneys and trying to get multi-purpose multi-wound list.

In my current 1k list there's mr. Slam with the shield, but also the lieutenant has a thunder hammer and jump pack. After 1-2 rounds of heavy support buffing I can either counter-attack backfield threats or just uwof away. Using a DC thunder hammer model as the lieutenant it makes a great looking distraction carnifex as well. I almost forlon furied my capt with angel's wings and uwof+doa my lieutenant T1 last practice game, it's much easier to hide a single model in a terrain after forlon's fury than a blob of DC.

Anyone else experimented dual/triple DVoS in your game?

Secondly do you think that artisan of war is a complete waste on a SG ancient? Heroic bearing a better WT?

Xirax wrote:
Secondly do you think that artisan of war is a complete waste on a SG ancient? Heroic bearing a better WT?

The Sanguinary Ancient is primarily a buff character rather than a damage dealer so I feel another aura ability would synergise better than trying to boost his modest damage output.

I've found giving the sanguinary ancient a psychic deny has been useful.

A lot of events allow you to pick warlord trait at the start of the game, so you can see if they have any leadership shenanigans that could realistically make some SG run or psychic powers to deny.

I was thinking up a Blood angel list at work with the new changes to brigade CP and I was wondering if I could get some constructive criticism. I'm trying to maximize a sole blood angels list for kind of a TAC list

Brigade detachment

HQ
Lemartes 129
Librarian 96
Captain (w/ jump pack TH )(Warlord)(death visions of sanguinius -1cp) 129
Elites
Sanguinary ancient (standard of sacrifice -1cp) 99
x8 Sanguinory guard(swords, bolters) 280
x10 DC (jump packs, x1 powermaul, x1 hand flamer x9 bolt-pistols, x9 chainswords) 205
Troops
x5 scout squad 55
x5 scout squad 55
x5 scout squad 55
x5 Tactical Squad 65
x5 Tactical Squad 65
x5 Tactical Squad 65
x1 razorback-twin assault cannon 116
x1 razorback-twin assault cannon 116
Elites
Heavy Support
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 3 lascannon) 145
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 2 lascannon x 1 Heavy Bolter) 130
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 2 lascannon x 1 Heavy Bolter) 130

2000 pts

(3 base command points +12 command points from brigade detachment)=15CP-1CP(Death Visions of Sanguinius)-1cp(Armoury of Baal)=13CP

let me know if I hecked up anywhere in the crafting or if there are better suggestions

I'm not too sure of how to edit posts XD so be gentle with me Battle Brothers. I'm just a wee neophyte.

You don't have any fast attack.

Martel732 wrote:
You don't have any fast attack.

ah that I don't. easy fix I suppose. Just move it around to two battalions

2x Batallion + Vanguard

1st Battalion

(Slamguinius) Captain + jump pack + storm shield + thunder hammer + Angel's wings + Gift of Foresight (Warlord) 129
Librarian + jump pack +bolt pistol + force staff 112

5man scout squad w/ boltguns x1 heavy bolter 65
5man scout squad w/ boltguns x1 heavy bolter 65
5man scout squad w/ boltguns x1 heavy bolter 65

2nd Battalion

Sanguinary priest + chainsword + storm bolter 72
Captain w/chainsword+mc bolgun 77

5man Tactical squad, bolters, heavy bolter, chainsword on Sgt 75
5man Tactical squad, bolters, heavy bolter, chainsword on Sgt 75
5man Tactical squad, bolters, heavy bolter, chainsword on Sgt 75

Predator w/ autocannon 142
Predator w/ autocannon 142
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 2 lascannon x1 heavy bolter) 130

Vanguard

Lemartes 129

10man Death company + jump packs + 10x bolt pistols, 10x chainsword 200
10man Sanguinary guard + Angelus boltguns & encarmine swords 350
Sanguinary ancient + angelus boltgun & power fist + Relic Banner+death mask 97

2000 pts total. 11 CP to start with, 9 after I buy the Relic Banner and the Black Rage for Slamguinius.

how does this look?

If you replace the dev squad with a third pred you can use killshot. If you add a ML you can use flakk missile. Pred with autocannon is 130. Librarian with JP is 120. The AG ancient is 101. Sang priest is 71. Always use boltguns on DC. Twice the shots of a boltpistol at 12", 24" range, and they are free. If you make the SG ancient your warlord SG can reroll all failed hit rolls. Two battalions are 13 CP.

Hadrian Solus wrote:
I was thinking up a Blood angel list at work with the new changes to brigade CP and I was wondering if I could get some constructive criticism. I'm trying to maximize a sole blood angels list for kind of a TAC list

Brigade detachment

HQ
Lemartes 129
Librarian 96
Captain (w/ jump pack TH )(Warlord)(death visions of sanguinius -1cp) 129
Elites
Sanguinary ancient (standard of sacrifice -1cp) 99
x8 Sanguinory guard(swords, bolters) 280
x10 DC (jump packs, x1 powermaul, x1 hand flamer x9 bolt-pistols, x9 chainswords) 205
Troops
x5 scout squad 55
x5 scout squad 55
x5 scout squad 55
x5 Tactical Squad 65
x5 Tactical Squad 65
x5 Tactical Squad 65
x1 razorback-twin assault cannon 116
x1 razorback-twin assault cannon 116
Elites
Heavy Support
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 3 lascannon) 145
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 2 lascannon x 1 Heavy Bolter) 130
x5 Dev squad+ cherub (x 2 lascannon x 1 Heavy Bolter) 130

2000 pts

(3 base command points +12 command points from brigade detachment)=15CP-1CP(Death Visions of Sanguinius)-1cp(Armoury of Baal)=13CP

let me know if I hecked up anywhere in the crafting or if there are better suggestions

I'm not too sure of how to edit posts XD so be gentle with me Battle Brothers. I'm just a wee neophyte.

Looks like you have missed out your 3 Fast Attack options. Possibly you could drop the Razorbacks and fit in some FA units that fulfil the same role such as Bolter Inceptors. Squeezing BAs into a Brigade at 2000 points is tricky (but not impossible).

Actually, units of single heavy bolter attack bikes and 5 man reiver squads make a brigade pretty easy to build. If you don't like reivers, you can use vets with stormbolters, too.

Not sure if it has been covered before, but if I were to run a minimal, bang-for-buck detachment of Blood Angels to help an Imperium army, what would its composition be?

Let's say 2 HQs, 3x5 Scouts, and maybe one unit of Death Company or Sanguinary Guard.

Slamguinius is a given. But who should Slamguinius's partner be? The Sanguinor, Lemartes, Mephiston, a Chaplain, or a Librarian? Because The Sanguinor is expensive as hell (170 pts), and Mephiston lacks a jump pack. Really, Lemartes with the Death Vision stratagem seems the cheapest option (129 pts, 1 CP).

And would one unit of Death Company or Sanguinary Guard be helpful or detrimental to the notion of such a minimal detachment? If I were to run just the HQs and the Scouts, how would you think that would perform?

It's very unclear. Perhaps a second captain.

If you have 14+ CP, I like second captain. I challenge you to find 129 points that can deal that much damage in the whole of the IMPERIUM.

Well, they have to get to melee.

Wulfey wrote:
If you have 14+ CP, I like second captain. I challenge you to find 129 points that can deal that much damage in the whole of the IMPERIUM.

Lemartes is also 129 points. And since you're giving your Captain the Death Visions stratagem anyway, he gets that reroll failed charges for virtually guaranteed 9" charges. Lemartes himself is no slouch, with 6 S6 AP-2 D3 attacks, reroll failed fighting hits aura (slightly better than the Captain's reroll failed 1s hits), and only 1 less wound than the Captain. Pretty solid for killing MEQs, whereas the Captain smashes vehicles like no other.

This is just one argument though. The Sanguinor is also pretty cool. Gives your Captain yet another attack, has a great leadership debuff aura, and he can fall back and charge.

Don't discount Mephiston. You always take Wings so he has a psuedo jump-pack. Can do turn 1 charges (tho it requires also getting Quickening off which is 50/50) and gives you 2 deny rolls.