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Necros wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I can't imagine the Deathstrike being a FW piece without costing an arm and a leg... it'd be a solid chunk of resin..

No they will make the missile hollow and in 7 different pieces, none of which will fit together

True it'd probably a couple of ring shaped sections that stack with a end cap on each end. Irregardless they'd charge $200+

ubermosher wrote:It's just bittersweet that I still won't be able to use my Salamanders (and I don't want to hear the "A-word").

There's nothing stopping you from using the rules from Imperial Armour Volume 1 when the update PDF comes out.

Except for anal opponents who don't think the IA books are legal...

This is all pretty much awesome, but the thought of dragging a ballistic missile all the way to the front line is ridiculous.

But other than that it's all awesome, I can't wait to get my hands on these recut kits everyone is expecting.

I am ready to be overpowered

Alpharius wrote:This might be the final nail in the "Every Entry in the Codex Gets A Model" coffin...

I bloody hope not. Having come from 2nd Ed, where it was mostly pot luck if you got a model to represent a Codex entry, and then into 3rd and 4th, where they went out of their way to ensure everything had a model, I do not want to go back to where there were units that simple do not get models.

That said, it has already started. There's no Buggy/Wartrakk, there are no Flash Gitz, there's no Deff Kopta outside of the Battle for Black Lagoon box, and a few of the special characters haven't got models (and I'd be suprised if we ever saw them).

Ok, so we get a recut Hellhound that has a Hellhound and Stupid Named Tank #1 and Stupid Named Tank #2, so you can do Flamy, Poison or Melta. We get a Russ that has Exterminator and Vanquisher bits and a Demolisher that has Punisher, Eradicator and Executioner bits. I doubt both of those as that's a lot of tanks. What's next? Ok, a Basilisk/Medusa Kit and a Griffon/Colossus kit. Then what? We've still got a Hydra, Manticore and fuggin' Deathstrike do go, and we don't even yet have Penal Legionarres or actual Veteran models.

So Guard are going to have, at minimum, 8 tank-sized kits on the shelf? Hellhound & Friends, the Chimera, Russ & Friends, Demolisher & Friends, Basilisk/Medusa, Griffon/Colossus, Hydra & Friends, Valkyrie/Vendetta?

No. It's too much. We are just not going to see models for half of these things. If I'm wrong, great, but unless my jokes about Guard stretching out releases all the way to Wave 27 in Q3 2028 are true, we're not going to be seeing these things.

[EDIT]: It was often joked that when Jervis came on board to blandify 40K, he was bringing as much 2nd Edition stuff back as possible. Well, like with the recent releases, this is obviously true (Sanctioned Psykers, Chenkov, Nork, etc.), but it appears that with 2nd Ed flavour (modified by 5th Ed blandness), we're also getting the 2nd Ed uncertainly of miniature releases. No clue what's coming out, no clue if something will ever even come out, and months/years at a time when something never gets made.

I said when GW started the 'Wave' thing that I was in support of it, because gradual support is better than dumping everything on new players (and stores for that matter). But really, let me ask y'all this:

Would you rather get every new model in a Codex within a month of the book's release, or get a few things every 6-18 months, and never know if something is going to even get a miniature release, let alone when that release might be?

BYE

I said this before...

aka_mythos wrote:
The confirmed rumor is that the Russ' in the initial Leman Russ are Battle Tank, Demolisher, Vanquisher, Exterminator.
Chimera and hellhound variants are together.


Alot is up in the air for the rest:
Leman Russ Kit 2 - Punisher, Executioner, Eradicator... possibly done as direct order sprues.
Basilisk/Griffon/Medusa/Colossus
Hydra/Manticore
Deathstrike

I think the least likely model will be the Deathstrike.
I think the remaining Leman Russ variants could fit on a single sprue.
The basilisk, griffon, medusa, and colossus could easily have 90% shared parts and fit on two sprues.
Hydra and Manticore could be done on a single sprue on top of the chimera chassis.

Once the initial Chimera and Leman Russ kits are complete most everything else is only a couple of sprues.

Let us assume that the redone Chimera and Leman Russ are the only IG tank kits done. The IG model range drops 2 Sentinel Kits and 2 Tank kits, while gaining the Valkyrie. We gain the command squads but those effectively replace various metal minis. With heavy weapon teams included within the squad box, we lose those. We'd only need 3-4 tank kits... one of which would replace a current one bringing us to a total of 2-3 additional kits... replacing 2 tanks and 2 sentinels... this doesn't seem to far fetched. It might not happen for a time, but it does seem reasonable.

Damnit H.B.M.C. ! Enjoy the moment!!

I have a feeling it's gonna be more like the steamroller thingy for orks.. you'll get your main kit and it will make a few different versions, then for some other things you will have to special order a sprue from GW. Either that, or they're just going to point you to FW to get some stuff.

Good point, an accessory sprue might be what GW is going after some time with them variants.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Would you rather get every new model in a Codex within a month of the book's release, or get a few things every 6-18 months, and never know if something is going to even get a miniature release, let alone when that release might be?

The latter. My finances aren't boundless, so I couldn't buy everything at once anyway.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Would you rather get every new model in a Codex within a month of the book's release, or get a few things every 6-18 months, and never know if something is going to even get a miniature release, let alone when that release might be?

I'm with H.B.M.C. on this. I mean, there are a lot of folks that convert models because they like to. Then there are those that convert models because they have to. And then there are the folks who avoid converting so much they won't play a list that contains anything they have to convert. Those folks are going to have to be patient. And the ones that convert models because they have to are just going to get pissed after they've converted up something they want to use and then GW decides to release it a year and a half later. But, hey, it's a good strategy for GW - make us buy, buy, buy!

Yeah, I wouldn't mind the wave approach if GW would guarantee that all Codex entries would have a model within 18 months of the Codex release (or some similar time frame)

Agamemnon2 wrote:The latter. My finances aren't boundless, so I couldn't buy everything at once anyway.

You reasons make no sense. You don't have to buy everything when it comes out at the same time.

To put it another way:

You'd rather wait long periods for model kits to be released. You'd rather not know what model kit they're going to release. You'd rather not know if they're ever going to release a kit for a particular Codex entry. And you'd rather all of this than getting everything released as a model kit because you can't buy it all at once???

See how that doesn't track.

BYE

I'll take everything at once when the book is released so I can be poor for like 2 months while I paint all my new models. And be happy.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't mind the wave approach if GW would guarantee that all Codex entries would have a model within 18 months of the Codex release (or some similar time frame)

I don't care if the timeframe was even longer than that. Really 2 months or 2 years is a small price to pay for knowing that a kit is coming out. Right now we don't even know what's actually in 1st Wave Guard, let alone if the Punisher or the Hydra are ever going to get GW kits. If they said tomorrow that the Deathstrike is coming, but it's going to be a Q2 2011 release, that's fine! At least we know it's coming then. Right now we don't know if we're even getting one, and won't know for sure until a few months from release (remember didn't know what was in Ork Wave 2 for sure until a month or so before everything came out).

BYE

Obviously, if GW had endless resources it be great to see everything out at once. That just wouldn't work. At the same time I don't really like this wave approach because its proven that GW really can't do more than one thing at a time, and waves end up delaying other codices.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
So Guard are going to have, at minimum, 8 tank-sized kits on the shelf? Hellhound & Friends, the Chimera, Russ & Friends, Demolisher & Friends, Basilisk/Medusa, Griffon/Colossus, Hydra & Friends, Valkyrie/Vendetta?

No. It's too much. We are just not going to see models for half of these things. If I'm wrong, great, but unless my jokes about Guard stretching out releases all the way to Wave 27 in Q3 2028 are true, we're not going to be seeing these things.

But really, let me ask y'all this:

Would you rather get every new model in a Codex within a month of the book's release, or get a few things every 6-18 months, and never know if something is going to even get a miniature release, let alone when that release might be?

BYE

Maybe :

Leman russ + 6 different turret weapons on 1 sprue?

All tanks set.
reduced boxes on shelf -1.

Chimera + 6 different turret weapons plus additional pieces for hellhounds.
reduced boxes on shelf -1.

transport and FA set.

"Artillery" tank, chimera hull + 4 different cannons + 1 missile.

artillery set.

Valk + vendetta is possibly only a different weapon loadout, so +1 box on the shelf.
Hydra + manticore could use the same base,but will be hold back until we see more flyers in 40k. +1 box on the shelf later.

this sums up to +- 0 additional boxes.



"Would you rather get every new model in a Codex within a month of the book's release, or get a few things every 6-18 months,"

I would like to see all models been released until the following 3 months. ( codex + models, more models, completing range).

I guess I could go with a longer time frame, but anymore than 18-24 months is usually over half the life cycle of an edition, and it would kind of suck to know that Wave 3 of IG is coming out in Q2 2011, but that 40K6 is due 3Q 2011 and skews the balance pendulum back away from IG and other horde armies.

I wish people had read my post. 6th from the top.

As far as I know four plastic kits and four blisters are up for release in MAY. Three plastic kits have been confirmed and the Sentinel kit has also been shown so it would be a safe guess to say that the Valkyrie, Cadian command squad, Catachan command squad and redone Sentinel kit are the four plastic kits for the first week of wave 1. As for the blisters, good luck. Probably the Ratlings, advisors (Astropath, Naval officer and Master of Ordnance all in one blister), the commissar lord and Primaris psyker.

Modelling maths

Chimera chassis + 1/2 litre coca-cola bottle + imagination = Deathstrike

I wish actually building the thing could be that simple

Four boxes and four blisters have been confirmed. As I have said previously, is that:

Box -
Valk
Catachan Command
Cadian Command
Sentinel

Blister -
Commissar Lord
Primaris Psyker
Advisor Threesome
Ratlings

--- OR ---

Box -
Valk
Catachan Command
Cadian Command
Ratlings
[Sentinel = AWOL]

Blister -
Commissar Lord
Primaris Psyker
Advisor Threesome
[Unknown]


And the truth is we simply don't know. And this is after a GW 'Open' day. I'd hate to see what a closed day is... they might deny even making new Codices. And if the Sentinel isn't part of the first release, when's it getting released? This year? Next? Planet Strike? We won't even know when a Wave 2 is actually hitting until they tell us a month or so in advance.

We won't know what's coming out utnil Ghaz posts the Alliance game update, or GW updates their Advanced Orders section.

BYE

Considering they showed picture of the sentinel kit, I'd assume its in there.

Small boxed sets of metal figures are listed as blisters these days. Don't ask me why or how but they are.

I think they could get away with four tank boxes - the heavies /rear AV11), the standards (rear AV10), the artillery, the 'fast' ones (Chimera, HH variants). Or even three if it is possible to merge the Russ variants into one bigger box, plus sentinels.

I'm quite happy with all of this. Sure, some drops in may be problematic at times but there'll be ways around that. Chenkov can finally lead my Valhallans again, Ratlings stay BS4 (they were once rumoured to drop to BS3), Ogryns are much improved etc. etc. With the points drop and the new order system (!) we will be a force to be reckoned with.

Narlix wrote:
I will be honest, if its 90 points with just the multi-laser,and door heavy bolters ( the ones that will never shoot since they are strength 5 and it will never move less than 12 inchs), Its still only gojng to carry 12 guys who are not going to assault, and even with ap 3 hell guns it's still only str 3.

Well, it is rumoured to be a fast skimmer. Current Guard is decent at shooting stuff but horrible in the assault phase and lacking mobility/speed. Ogryns will address the former, and fast skimmers will address the latter (as will cheaper Chimeras and lumbering behemoths, albeit to a lesser extent). I'm pretty sure ST's will still be able to pack 2 special weapons. This means that the Valk will be able to shoot more guns than a tank and that the passengers have a chance to attack places one would never dream of before.

namegoeshere wrote:I didn't see points costs? Were they there? Hard to say whats hot or not without them

It is a summary, namegoeshere. When was the last time you swa point costs in a summary reference sheet?

Also, remeber that GW seems to be getting a small hint...just look at the new Shadowsword kit. They may just me small changes but that ARE trying to listen and put out multi variants in a box....

Oh, and of course I have to chime in with "awesome".

I'm okay with not knowing everything. If the GW release dates were the biggest uncertain element in my life, I'd be thrilled, nay, ecstatic. It's only a game, I can cope. Finding out whether or not they're planning to ever release a plastic Deathstike launcher is absolutely trivial to me. The reason I'd rather have the releases spaced out is because it gives us that greatest of all treasures, which is hope and sense of surprise. I would be bored to tears if I knew the release schedule 18 months in advance.

In any case, what happened to the rumor that the Astropath (and possibly the other advisors) would be Direct-only?

Yeah, the ne Bladeblade tank kit is a great example. Considering that you would just need other guns in a Leman Russ turret, it can't be that hard to recut the sprues so that every otpion will be an option.

Plus, it would be happy times for every Ork player who has a friend who plays guard

I think I prefer the wave approach than releasing it all at once. Just because is it gives you something new to look forward to, but that said there should also be a definite time frame for the waves and what is included. GW's "OMG don't tell them what we're making!!!" attitude is just silly.

I think that even if the IG codex gave out free bj's HBMC would still be grumpy. "What, no seconds?"

Damn dude, you are getting a new codex with lots of pretty extras and it looks like it will be actually competitive and you're still bitching about not knowing when the models will come out. We don't know half of what is going on still, save it till we know when (if) Wave 2+ is coming out.

Ozymandias, King of Kings