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Statement: 10+ years to revise a Codex is a joke. How can they treat customers like that? Is it because:

1. They don't know.
2. They don't care.
3. Something else.
4. All of the above.

Are the 'obvious' problems truly that obvious, or are we just paying more attention than we should be?

I feel the same way about starcraft and blizzard.

It is frustrating when the design studio or whoever it is makes decisions that make the hobby less fun for lots of people.

I definitely felt 4th edition 40K was very poorly managed, and that it detracted hugely from my enjoyment. These days I think there are still things that annoy me a lot, but generally the management has gotten better.

Games Workshop is in the business of selling models. Period.

The rule books and codexes, etc. are marketing tools designed to sell models.

Models that sell well get codexes redone more often (space marines, etc.) because lots of people will rush out to buy new products based on said popular models, and for every disgruntled veteran who doesn't like the changes to a dex or model range you will have 10-30 kids new to the game buying a new force of the new hotness on mommy and daddy's credit card.

Tactical Squad Box going from £18 to £25 is another good reason to hate GW. As is 20 Cadians at £18 going to 10 Cadians at £15. I really hope that this price increase isn't true.

GW started out as a home grown business with the idea to produce cool models and gaming rules.

Now its a company and its main concern is the bottom line.

George Spiggott wrote:

Dead Memories wrote:Got some information today about the price rise. Space marine tactical squad £25 a box

Pfffft! Quit winding us up, they won't be that much.

Well, 25 GBP is just under $38.25 USD, or less than 10% increase over current US prices.

As an American, this seems like a fair price for you Brits to pay!




Of course, if GWUS raises US prices to match Canadian prices, I'm going to get out my torch and pitchfork!

They're £18 currently in the UK, you do the math.

I don't have to, GW did it for me.

Clearly, 18 GBP is far too little if their largest market is willing to pay roughly 23 GBP for the exact same box.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Clearly, 18 GBP is far too little

*Is stunned*

JohnHwangDD just said a GW price was too low. Mark that one people.

DD, riddle me this, do delusional people consider you delusional?

H.B.M.C. wrote:do delusional people consider you delusional?

I would have written, "Do delusional people consider you?"

It just sounds funnier to me.

Too existential for my liking Malf.

I asked my FLGS/Indie Retailer and from what they said, my Daemons army may wait until more models are in plastic.

Hollismason wrote:GW started out as a home grown business with the idea to produce cool models and gaming rules.

Now its a company and its main concern is the bottom line.

Isn't that what any start up company wants to do? make more money over time? The reason behind making cool models was to make money, that's been the bottom line since the beginning.. it's not something new or new in the past 5 years.. lol

if only gw could unwax thier ears and listen to what thier consumers want, then possibly they could make MORE money if they change. i don't see why they are blind to this fact.

two_heads_talking wrote:

Hollismason wrote:GW started out as a home grown business with the idea to produce cool models and gaming rules.

Now its a company and its main concern is the bottom line.

Isn't that what any start up company wants to do? make more money over time? The reason behind making cool models was to make money, that's been the bottom line since the beginning.. it's not something new or new in the past 5 years.. lol

It is possible to price their customers out of the game. Sure, they can use their old models but how would GW make money if those gamers don't buy anything.

I will respond to all of this very simply.

I'll leave GW alone when they begin making their game all about the hobby again and not all about the fast money grab.
"Hey GW note to self you tell all your employees that working there you won't be rich but if you like the hobby youll have a great time. Why not start living by your own rules."

That's why the rules and codexes keep changing. It invalidates older models or brings in new ones which are too powerful within the game for players to ignore (except for Space Pope, Vespids and Sniper Drones.)

LiterateWolf wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:

Hollismason wrote:GW started out as a home grown business with the idea to produce cool models and gaming rules.

Now its a company and its main concern is the bottom line.

Isn't that what any start up company wants to do? make more money over time? The reason behind making cool models was to make money, that's been the bottom line since the beginning.. it's not something new or new in the past 5 years.. lol

It is possible to price their customers out of the game. Sure, they can use their old models but how would GW make money if those gamers don't buy anything.

That, I believe is called a catch 22.. They've priced me out, did so about 3 years ago.. I'm merely saying that it's ok to do what they do, we, who can't afford it won't buy it.. and if in the end, GW sees that they are losing sales, they'll have to adjust.. Call it boycotting with my wallet. If enough people do just that, and I also mean purchasing from anywhere, then we'll see what GW does.. Until then, buckle up and keep your hands in the ride, because it's going to get bumpy.