Blood Angels Thread V.3

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**JohnHwangDD**

Alpharius wrote:Isn't the Plasma Cannon one of the more useless weapons to take on a dread though?

It *looks* good.

**Death By Monkeys**

reds8n wrote:Slight update and clarification :

The forthcoming Venerable dreadnought plastic kit does NOT have the options to make a Furiouso/2 DCCW build in it.

Does give you a nice plasma cannon option though.

Don't suppose you know if it'll have a TL AC arm, do you?

I don't understand what all the fuss about not getting a plastic Furioso box is all about. I mean, use a standard DCCW left arm with an Ironclad set (maybe even find an extra set of the nice Ironclad DCCW fingers to use on the standard DCCW arm) and Bob's your uncle. What am I missing here? A BA specific sarcophagus cover? Please.

**Khornatedemon**

I also expect a forgeworld dread to come along with the BA release as, IIRC, they dont have one yet.

**skrulnik**

Death By Monkeys wrote:
reds8n wrote:Slight update and clarification :

The forthcoming Venerable dreadnought plastic kit does NOT have the options to make a Furiouso/2 DCCW build in it.

Does give you a nice plasma cannon option though.

Don't suppose you know if it'll have a TL AC arm, do you?

I don't understand what all the fuss about not getting a plastic Furioso box is all about. I mean, use a standard DCCW left arm with an Ironclad set (maybe even find an extra set of the nice Ironclad DCCW fingers to use on the standard DCCW arm) and Bob's your uncle. What am I missing here? A BA specific sarcophagus cover? Please.

How about not having to buy 2 kits to build one?

The right-side DCCW should be in a kit besides the Ironclad unless Furiosos are retconned into them.

**Alpharius**

skrulnik wrote:
Death By Monkeys wrote:
reds8n wrote:Slight update and clarification :

The forthcoming Venerable dreadnought plastic kit does NOT have the options to make a Furiouso/2 DCCW build in it.

Does give you a nice plasma cannon option though.

Don't suppose you know if it'll have a TL AC arm, do you?

I don't understand what all the fuss about not getting a plastic Furioso box is all about. I mean, use a standard DCCW left arm with an Ironclad set (maybe even find an extra set of the nice Ironclad DCCW fingers to use on the standard DCCW arm) and Bob's your uncle. What am I missing here? A BA specific sarcophagus cover? Please.

How about not having to buy 2 kits to build one?

The right-side DCCW should be in a kit besides the Ironclad unless Furiosos are retconned into them.

That would be what you missed, I think.

I can see why GW wouldn't like that though...

**jerbear1071**

Commander Endova wrote:I agree. Estimates of five or six Dreadnought variants seem ridiculous. I think it'll be 4, maximum. Regular, Furioso (replacing Ironclad), Venerable, and the unique Moriar. As for quantity, can't be more than 6, by taking a MotF or some equivalent.

I dunno, the teaser in the latest WD makes mention of a Furioso LIBRARIAN variant- even says" a psyker entombed in a dreadnought"... there could well be a ton of dreads in there!

**Death By Monkeys**

Come on, guys - seriously? That's the biggest complaint? Nid players are trying to figure out ways to convert their army's newest MVP model because it doesn't exist at all and you're complaining about buying a box set and then having to order another arm from one of the online bitz suppliers? I mean, I'm not advocating GW's business model here, but I'd rather GW put out a new model like the Tantalus than come out with a third loyalist Dreadnought. That's a good way to get Chaos players frothing at the mouth. They're still waiting on a replacement for the PoS Chaos Dread they've been stuck with. What? They can use a loyalist Dreadnought and chaosify it with the Chaos Vehicle sprue? But that'd require two kits!

**Alpharius**

Wait, are you in here complaining about the complaining now?

The point of this particular complaint is that IF they are going to take the time and effort to release a NEW PLASTIC Dreadnought kit, it should contain all of the codex options.

OK?

When it comes time for them to release all those other kits, well, then we'll be talking about them too.

Just like you can only play the games on the schedule, well, we can 'only' talk about the kits announced.

At least, those are the ones we should talk about.

Everything else is whispering in the wind...

**JohnHwangDD**

Death By Monkeys wrote:Don't suppose you know if it'll have a TL AC arm, do you?

I don't understand what all the fuss about not getting a plastic Furioso box is all about. I mean, use a standard DCCW left arm with an Ironclad set (maybe even find an extra set of the nice Ironclad DCCW fingers to use on the standard DCCW arm) and Bob's your uncle. What am I missing here? A BA specific sarcophagus cover? Please.

TL AC should be on the (eventual) Chaos Dread version with Chaos DNCCW & sarcophagus to match.

Ironclad DNCCWs doen't match each other, nor the basic DNCCW, so they won't look as good. And yes, the BA should get their own BA-specific sarcophagi (1 basic BA, 1 BA Fury).

Oh yeah, plastic Chaos Dreads have been available for years!

**Death By Monkeys**

Ok - that was weird. First it looked like I had double-posted, so I went and deleted what I thought was the double. Then it looked like it I had only made one post and had deleted it...

Anyway - it's a good point that for the convenience of us gamers that GW should include all the various options with their kits. But as we all know what we, as gamers, think GW should do and what GW actually does are often vastly different things. You know, we've seen on the price list that there's something that may be an upgrade sprue - what if that contains a matching DCCW, sarcophagus covers, shoulder pads, etc. Much like the Orks' Death-roller sprue?

Here's my question for my own pre-BA codex release shopping: just how many dreads of different types should I stock up on? I mean, just because there's a potential to run 9 doesn't necessarily mean that one should. I'm thinking that running 6 is about as many as you're really going to want to do so that you still have room to run other BA goodness. I'm just not sure if ensuring that I've got matching DCCWs for all of them is necessary.

**Niccolo**

I have a couple questions about the upcoming BA codex that I hope someone can help me out with. I've been trying to pay attention to all the rumors, but they (like most) have taken such a convoluted path that I may have missed if these have been answered. Of course, if they haven't been answered yet and someone in the know would like to fill us in, I'd be happy with that too.

1: The new Predator kit. Is there a difference to the base model (like sturdier sponsons) and are the Baal parts just plastic copies of the current metal parts or new designs.

2: Chaplains. Will they still be strung together with the DC (like 2nd or 3rd ed)? Will there be more freedom to take things like Terminator and Bike Chaplains or are Sanguinary Priests being included to fill that roll again?
Thanks

**JohnHwangDD**

I'm waiting for the BA Codex before I finalize. I have several Dreads, and it's tentatively looking like it'll be:

3x AC&PF Dreads as SM Elite / BA Heavy
1x 2CCW Dread as BA Fury
1x tLC&PF Dread as BT Elite

**Chamleoneyes**

What do you think the odds are of the Librarian dread taking up an HQ slot? Also anyone have a clue on how many points the Tantalus lander is gonna cost?

**Gargskull**

Chamleoneyes wrote:What do you think the odds are of the Librarian dread taking up an HQ slot? Also anyone have a clue on how many points the Tantalus lander is gonna cost?

Most likley it'll occupy the large transport price catergory for land riaders, valks, battlewagons and monoliths.

**reds8n**

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Don't suppose you know if it'll have a TL AC arm, do you?

I don't understand what all the fuss about not getting a plastic Furioso box is all about. I mean, use a standard DCCW left arm with an Ironclad set (maybe even find an extra set of the nice Ironclad DCCW fingers to use on the standard DCCW arm) and Bob's your uncle. What am I missing here? A BA specific sarcophagus cover? Please.

It doesn't I'm afraid, Assault Cannon, Plasma Cannon and Twin Linked Lascannons for the right arm, standard DCCW for the left arm. Conflicting reports about the left arm missile launcher or not.

It's got the sunken helmed head front -- like the grey knight models -- the "chin hider" -- with, I believe a couple of different head variants.

It's nice enough, plasma cannon looks like a bigger version of the dev one, but...hmm... it's a bit... whelming when you see it. Not under or over..just whelming.

**Gargskull**

How can something be just whelming?

Do you think the Ven dred will be a good painter's piece? Nice details/decorations, etc?

**H.B.M.C.**

Compared to the FW one, how's it look?

**reds8n**

FW ones are better IMO.

This one is pretty much the standard plastic dread kit, with some engravings, purity seals, notice boards and the like on each front side piece and "shins". Tarted up standard kit is all to be honest IMO.

Disclaimer : I've only seen the one build, there might be some more variation available, but nothing too OTT or jaw dropping methinks.

**H.B.M.C.**

Why did they take the chance to make a new plastic Dread and not include all the weapon options. That seems really wasteful and stupid to me.

**lord_blackfang**

So now there are 4 different plastic loyalist Dreads and even combining them all you still can't build every option in the Codex.

They could at least do a splash release with a spiky bit sprue included, so we could pretend that Chaos has a plastic Dread, too.

**Flashman**

reds8n wrote:FW ones are better IMO.

This one is pretty much the standard plastic dread kit, with some engravings, purity seals, notice boards and the like on each front side piece and "shins". Tarted up standard kit is all to be honest IMO.

Disclaimer : I've only seen the one build, there might be some more variation available, but nothing too OTT or jaw dropping methinks.

Bet all those extra bits will increase the cost of it by £10. Remember the Chaos Bastion

**Gargskull**

Alpharius wrote:
Gargskull wrote:
Absolon wrote:Or could it be an image of something like this

Not bad, how likley is it that this is what the BA lander thing will look like?

Aside from being red of course.

Since this seems to match the mystery profile from the Portuguese link, I'd say odds are pretty good?

Sweet, I have some planz in mind for this thing.

**lord_blackfang**

Alpharius wrote:
Gargskull wrote:
Absolon wrote:Or could it be an image of something like this

Not bad, how likley is it that this is what the BA lander thing will look like?

Aside from being red of course.

Since this seems to match the mystery profile from the Portuguese link, I'd say odds are pretty good?

It matches the rumours, it matches the silhouette in WD.

But there's still a little voice at the back of my mind telling me it's too good to be true.

**Therion**

But there's still a little voice at the back of my mind telling me it's too good to be true.

Does it have three TL lascannons for an inexplicable points cost?

**Brother SRM**

That "Tantalus" picture still looks like an artist's interpretation of a Thunderhawk. Looks like it has the same level of abstraction a lot of BL books do compared to their original models. There are a lot of subtle differences, but it by and large just looks like a Thunderhawk where they removed the main gun.

**Alpharius**

Brother SRM wrote:That "Tantalus" picture still looks like an artist's interpretation of a Thunderhawk. Looks like it has the same level of abstraction a lot of BL books do compared to their original models. There are a lot of subtle differences, but it by and large just looks like a Thunderhawk where they removed the main gun.

That certainly what I thought originally, until I saw the 'mystery silhouette' picture from the Portuguese White Dwarf (?) thread linked above...

**Carnuscaedes**

Translated from the german site by Vovin from warseer then resource redistributed to here!

Ok, here a hand-made translation. The internet translations are rather ... inconvenient.

I omit the chit-chat at the beginning and summarize the relevant parts instead of doing of a word for word translation.

1. article: Mephiston
http://www.40kings.de/?p=695
- costs: 325 points + x (this is a guess of the authors and not part of the actual rumours)
- stats:gigantic, better than before
- special rules: ATSKNF, IC, Lord of Death, psyker, knows all 6 psychic powers
- weapons: Scarlet Fang, Force weapon, Plasma pistol, grenades, Psychic hood
- Lord of Death: no Red Thirst (army wide special rule, if leadershiptest fails wehen enemy is in 12" unit has rage), no Furious charge (otherwise army wide special rule), instead: Feel no Pain, Fearless, Eternal Warrior
-Scarlet Fang: can replace instant death power with one of the other psychic powers. He can use this power without psychic test and it no longer counts as psychic power but instead as normal special rule. A psychic hoodfor example is useless against this power.

2. article: Furioso Librarian:
http://www.40kings.de/?p=704
- costs: expensive, way more than a Dreadnought (unclear if this is also speculation or part of the rumour)
- stats: common Dreadnought stats with some small spikes. He is a Furioso too.
- rules: walker, Furioso Supremo, Red Thirst, Furious Charge
- items: 2 dreadnought ccw, one with melta gun, one with stormbolter, smoke launcher, searchlight
normal options like heavy flamer
- can take 2 powers: Quickening, Might of Heroes, Shockwave
- transports: Drop Pod, Tantalus Drop Ship
- Furioso Supremo: can cast one power with leadership 10. He takes a glancing hit from every Peril of the warp attack. Otherwise he doesn't count as psyker in every regard!

article 3: psychic powers:
http://www.40kings.de/?p=715
Quickening: used at the start of the turn, gives (only the psyker) beast movement. If the psyker is not infantery, he gets fleet. He has to be on the table to cast it (comment from me: to my understanding that means you can't use it in a transport). If Mephiston is casting this spell, his unit gets the faster movement too.

Blood Stasis: shooting power, 12" range, 5" blast, every non vehicle unit under the blast template counts as being in difficult terrain. If they move they get a S10 AP2 hit for every 1 on the difficult terrain test. If they shoot, they get a S5 AP- hit for every 1 on the roll to hit.

Might of Heroes: used at the start of the assault phase. one model in 6" (that includes the psyker) gets D3 extra attacks

Primarchs Grace: used at the start of the turn, Librarian and unit can ignore terrain until the end of the round

Living Darkness: shooting power, 6" range, 5" blast, stays in place until the start of the next Blood Angel turn. No line of sight can be traced through the marker except the targeting unit has Acute Senses USR

Shockwave: shooting power, vehicles in 12" get a S6 AP1 hit against its side armour. in 6" 2 hits and in 3" 3 hits. cover saves are not allowed.

Transfixing Gaze (Mephiston only): begin of the assault phase, hinders enemy to attack, like Genestealer Broodlord, on a draw nothing happens

Vortex of Blood (Mephiston only): can use it before he attcks. every model in base to base contact makes a Toughness test. If it fails it gets a wound. saves are allowed. If at least one wound was caused every successful hit roll from this on until the end of the round against Mephiston has to be rerolled.

CAVEAT EMPTOR! Hopefully gets the rumour wheel rollin' on this rumour wagon....

**H.B.M.C.**

The Librarian Dread sounds very silly. The least they could do is give it a Force Weapon at base Dread Strength (S6).

**Jackmojo**

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Chaplain Dread sounds very silly. The least they could do is give it a Force Weapon at base Dread Strength (S6).

That would be a silly Chaplain dreadnought...

Jack

**H.B.M.C.**

Sorry, meant Librarian.