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**FacelessMage**

march10k wrote:

Earthbeard wrote:I'd love a return of Mummy units again, I miss them.

Hmmmm... where would they fit? I kind of see ushabti in that niche right now... Maybe a rare infantry choice? If we get a sphinx, that'd be a doubling of the available rare choices, and the giant gets further marginalized...

More powerful than TG, but more numerous than ushabti, and a 0-1 choice? Obviously, they'd be flamable...probably have MR1/2...Not sure about stats (have to be at least S5/T5 to be worth taking over TG), but they couldn't have armor...could cause terror...maybe a 5+ ward since armor doesn't make sense? Maybe they have to be led by a TK/TP? Or maybe you have to take a HLP to unlock them?

How about skirmishers with they came from beneath rule like the tomb scorps?

I can totaly see them rising menacingly from the sands to smite the living shouting (as much as mummies can shout ) "Defilers!"

**Eumerin**

JOHIRA wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
JOHIRA wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:
Hmm, if only there were a cost effective way of putting together a load of skeletons on the cheap...

Too bad they don't look remotely Egyptian.

Turn their shields upside down and they'd look about as Egyptian as the current Tomb King skeleton box.

Isn't that a bit like saying "If you get yourself drunk enough it tastes as good as Denny's food." Even if it's strictly speaking true, it's not really an endorsement.

I view it more as an indictment of just how lackluster the effort was that GW put into the plastic Tomb Kings skeletons box.

Eumerin wrote:
The *only* thing that's Egyptian-themed about the GW plastic skeletons are the shields. The bodies have nothing that identifies them as such, and the weapons are completely inaccurate.

Right... completely inaccurate for the fantasy fictional setting they are from. There may be an Egyptian feel to the Tomb Kings, but they are not Egyptian. So there is no way for things to be inaccurate.

You'll note that the descriptor I used in that sentence was "Egyptian-themed", and not "Nehekaran-themed". So yes, my sentence is absolutely correct.

Now given that the inspiration for Tomb Kings has always been connected to ancient Egypt (the models that GW sells clearly don't have any connection to ancient Meso-American mummies, for instance), it's certainly fair to point out that the weapons the core skeletons are armed with are completely innacurate for the theme that GW picked for the army. There's nothing stopping YOU from building a Tomb Kings army using space marines on square bases to represent the leaders of your army and Ogre models to represent your Tomb Scorpions. But that doesn't mean that there isn't an overall theme that GW was pushing for when they designed the army... and the weapons in the plastic skeleton box clearly violate that theme.

**Kroothawk**

Just wanted to say that I am now quite certain that we will not get new Skeleton Warriors, Skeleton Riders and Skeleton Chariots. GW seems to have other new plastics in mind.
And the TK army book will definitely be hardcover. If all future army books will be hardcover as well, depends on how the first two sell.

**JOHIRA**

Eumerin wrote:Now given that the inspiration for Tomb Kings has always been connected to ancient Egypt (the models that GW sells clearly don't have any connection to ancient Meso-American mummies, for instance), it's certainly fair to point out that the weapons the core skeletons are armed with are completely innacurate for the theme that GW picked for the army. There's nothing stopping YOU from building a Tomb Kings army using space marines on square bases to represent the leaders of your army and Ogre models to represent your Tomb Scorpions. But that doesn't mean that there isn't an overall theme that GW was pushing for when they designed the army... and the weapons in the plastic skeleton box clearly violate that theme.

Well said. This sort of half-hearted attempt to characterize an army are why I always cringe when I see people asking for GW to make a Cathayan/Nipponese army.

**chaplaingrabthar**

Damn it, just when I thought I was out for good they pull me back in. Tomb Kings (or Undead as they were then known) were my first WFB army back in 1994 or so.

I kept playing them throughout 6th edition thanks to ravening hordes and then the Tomb King army book, but I finally got out of WFB altogether not long after the TK book was released. Avoided 7th completely, and have avoided 8th other than flipping through the rulebook so far. But this is one of 2 armies that can (and likely will) pull me back into WFB, even if I have to re-but the army yet again (sold up and cashed out back in 6th Ed)

Biggest thing for me is plastic Tomb Guard. That's awesome.

As to whether they re do the core TK skeletons or not, I'm less concerned. So far it's a mere red shirt rumor, and we all know how reliable those are... I strongly suspect they'll repackage the Vampire Counts skeletons and throw in a Tomb King accessory sprue with Egyptian-themed shields and head dresses. Maybe a kopesh or two.

Looking forward to May already.

**dj narcosis**

The pic of the head dress looks awssome i've been told it's part of the sphinx

**Kroothawk**

New rumours from Warseer:

Spectral Dragon wrote:I was going to remain anonymous, but what the heck, take with salt, I don't often get fantasy rumors from these guys.

* First Wave no new core skellies, second or third wave you will get them.
* The Screaming Skull is (as I suspected) going to be turned into a huge plastic kit much the same size as the Skaven Catapult.
* Expect a new core (Mummies)
* Chariots remain core. (Obvious but I put it out there anyway.) This puts two good looking core.
* New Tomb Guard (Obvious) Whats not obvious are the large array of options in this kit - There are bare skeleton heads in here which you can use to put on the Tomb Guard to use as core skellies or you can put some of the heads on the current skellies to spiff them up, or mix and match the two kits. Bows, Halbreds, Great weapons are options in this kit as well as HW/S
* New plastic Scorpion, various builds
* New plastic Bone Giant, various builds
* New Metal Blister Characters/Heroes (LOTS of these)
* New Plastic HQ Chariot (On of the pics on GW article shows a portion of this apparently)
* Apparently there is more of a chariot theme going throughout the book, more versions of chariots in rare, special, HQ.
* Some of these may be Wave 2 or 2.5
* I blew off everything that I heard in this post, so questions are pointless if directed at me, sorry.
* (EDIT) Forgot new cavalry models, apparently a way to make them core as well as special.

other anonymous source quoted by Darnok wrote:I got to recheck the models set for release in May -

There are Knights and Stalkers (each with some tombkingesq name) coming out in the one box set, which i presume are Light and Heavy cav.

There are two types of sphynx as well - I'm guessing, but I think one is magic orientated and one combat orientated. One is a warsphinx or something like that, the other a necro-something (something like necromancer) sphinx.

I don't think these are all of the models to be released either, as there were no characters/blisters listed, so probably some extra stuff as well. No skeles are (so far) in the initial release.

**JOHIRA**

Spectral Dragon wrote:I was going to remain anonymous, but what the heck, take with salt, I don't often get fantasy rumors from these guys.

* First Wave no new core skellies, second or third wave you will get them.
* The Screaming Skull is (as I suspected) going to be turned into a huge plastic kit much the same size as the Skaven Catapult.
* Expect a new core (Mummies)
* Chariots remain core. (Obvious but I put it out there anyway.) This puts two good looking core.
* New Tomb Guard (Obvious) Whats not obvious are the large array of options in this kit - There are bare skeleton heads in here which you can use to put on the Tomb Guard to use as core skellies or you can put some of the heads on the current skellies to spiff them up, or mix and match the two kits. Bows, Halbreds, Great weapons are options in this kit as well as HW/S
* New plastic Scorpion, various builds
* New plastic Bone Giant, various builds
* New Metal Blister Characters/Heroes (LOTS of these)
* New Plastic HQ Chariot (On of the pics on GW article shows a portion of this apparently)

Well, then I think Tomb Kings players will hopefully have a reason to be happy when they see the sculpts. Glad they didn't give them the High Elf treatment.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I just got a metal Tomb Scorpion and Screaming skull catapult. Good thing I only got them for 5 bucks a piece. Hopefully Chariot armies will be strong, I have setra and a crapload of chariots.

**Nagashek**

Manchu wrote:This is sooner than expected. I had read (in Kroothawk's re-posts) between June and September. Nice job, GW.

Those "reposts" are from late 2009 and early 2010. They were expecting TK June-sept of last year. If the rumors are accurate (and people at warseer had honestly been expecting TK first BEFORE O&G) then this means that the other rumor, that they went back to the drawing board on a few things is the most accurate. This means it wasn't intentional on GW's part, but merely a "happy accident." I am surprised that GW would dare put out 2 armies for the same system within 2 months of each other, since that cuts into their FotM income, but it is better for gamers, surely.

Someone else mentioned a concern that with no core resculpts, WE would not receive one either. This doesn't bother me, as the last round of WE scuplts was really GW's fantasy turn around point for gorgeous minis, IMO. The WE sculpts are verra fine, and will hold up for some time. Now to get a book that doesn't suck.

**Kroothawk**

Harry on the new cavalry models:

Chiron wrote:I like what I'm hearing from that Rumour roundup, though it appears Cav in the basic list are now special rather than core. Interesting and a sign that 8th ed is meant to be about infantry I guess.

Or it might have something to do with the 'special' nature of the cavalry. (...)
I am just saying some things are too ... exotic ... to be considered.
Same way Phoenix Guard are too exotic to be considered as core in a High Elf army for example.(...)
I didn't say anything about horses.

Frgt/10 wrote:I assume you're referring to the giant freaking **** that they ride
and no they aren't camels or scorpions for those wondering.

**Griever**

Kroothawk wrote:Harry on the new cavalry models:

Chiron wrote:I like what I'm hearing from that Rumour roundup, though it appears Cav in the basic list are now special rather than core. Interesting and a sign that 8th ed is meant to be about infantry I guess.

Or it might have something to do with the 'special' nature of the cavalry. (...)
I am just saying some things are too ... exotic ... to be considered.
Same way Phoenix Guard are too exotic to be considered as core in a High Elf army for example.(...)
I didn't say anything about horses.

Frgt/10 wrote:I assume you're referring to the giant freaking **** that they ride
and no they aren't camels or scorpions for those wondering.

BADGER CAVALRY?!?!!?!?

**Cerebrium**

Oh, god, I'm going to need so much money, with this and GK coming out within a few months of each other.

All of these rumours sound great. All I need to hear now is "Plastic Tomb King" and I'm going to need such a massive overdraft.

**FacelessMage**

Heh, yep.

My FLGS is gonna LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE me.

**Megalomaniac**

Look forward to a more expensive, thin, hardback book which is printed in Eastern Europe for next to nothing. Yeh! can't wait...

**Cerebrium**

Actually, the O&G hardback has significantly more content than the current paperback. The paper quality is also significantly better.

**Kirasu**

Er no it doesnt.. Its about 120 pages? maybe less.. Thats not any more than other books

In fact I think it has less content cause they wanted to just add in lots of random color pictures

Its 100% a way to up revenue by raising the price on a product a player MUST have and give them no cheaper alternative

I personally can do without hardback color rulebooks

**Kroothawk**

Megalomaniac wrote:Look forward to a more expensive, thin, hardback book which is printed in Eastern Europe for next to nothing. Yeh! can't wait...

It is hardcover, 96 pages (up from 80) and printed in China AFAIK. Seems Robin Cruddace has written it.

Some more info:

Frgt/10 wrote:i can also pretty much confirm the new bone giant isn't first wave

Harry wrote:If you are having a swing at Frgt/10's bone giant comment then .... a bone giant is in the pipeline. If it is not in the first wave ... and it appears that it is not .... then a simple deduction would suggest it is a later wave.
As for the Dark Elves and the Chaos waves ... they are just waiting for their slot.

BramGaunt wrote:It's more like 4 plastic kits of 4 different sizes, afaik.
Tomb Guard (inf), Warmachine (warmachine), Ushabti/Option (Monst. Inf) + Sphynx (Monster)

BTW judging from previous releases, we will see a repackage of Skeletons to 10 per box with a price rise, so you should buy them now (they are not updated modelwise).

**Megalomaniac**

Hope skely's aren't smaller like the VC or they will look crap next to the old ones.

Wow! the book production has moved from Eastern Europe to China. Even cheaper and crapper.

**Kanluwen**

Kirasu wrote:Er no it doesnt.. Its about 120 pages? maybe less.. Thats not any more than other books

His point was that it's significantly larger than the current Orcs & Goblin book. Which is 76 pages while the new, hardback one is 112 pages.

**Chaoslord**

Just a note for those lamenting the (possible) lack of new replacement kits: Although there probably won't be new skeleton models for TK, one could easily use VC skeletons with some added bits from TK-boxes. It's not perfect, but the VC skellies are pretty neat models...

**Flashman**

Yes, the VC kit could work with some bits swapping. I can think of nothing on the bodies that screams "I must belong in a VC army only" and you can use the plain heads (of which there are plenty). The only missing parts are bows and shields (and maybe appropriate hand weapons/spears). although I'm sure a TK collector would accumulate enough odds and sods to make it work.

EDIT - Actually, take a look at the fellow in the bottom right corner of this unit. Very Khemri, no?

**Eldar Own**

I was glad when i too saw this article. Tomb kings are pretty cool and, although i woun't be collecting them, i'm glad GW are re-doing one of the two armies that need to be re-done. Roll on WE!

Those pictures aren't much of a clue, but i have a feeling it's something big...

**Megalomaniac**

I'm sitting looking at my Tomb King Skelys and my VC ones and the VC are significantly smaller. They'd look crap in the same army. Although maybe the VC ones could be Pygmy skeletons.

**sonofruss**

The VC skellys are smaller to look like they can fit in the body of a warhammer fig if they redid the dry skellys they would shrink as well to match the other ones.

**Megalomaniac**

So the skelly I have could just be that of Giants. Or, maybe I'll throw them away and buy new ones.GW would love that.

**Kroothawk**

Megalomaniac wrote:I'm sitting looking at my Tomb King Skelys and my VC ones and the VC are significantly smaller. They'd look crap in the same army. Although maybe the VC ones could be Pygmy skeletons.

IIRC the Tomb King race was a race of large super humans, so their skeletons being larger makes sense.
As we get plastic Tomb Guard, there is the possibility to upgrade old skeletons with new bitz.
And to be fair, the old ones are not as bad as e.g. HE Spearmen or Skaven Nightrunners.

**nosferatu1001**

TK were long lived tall ones, at least ig Nagash is anything to go by (they even mention the reduction in life spans after the covenant is broken, in the second Nagash book)

The quality of the O&G book paper is FAR higher than the older one, and the quality of the binding is up there with IA books. I would be very very happy if they continue this with TK

**RustyNails**

I want to start up a TK army, I just hope that the core skeletons are released with the first wave, so being new to the army I don't have to wait and buy the core units. Or think, "Oh hey I guess the rumors were wrong and they arn't going to re release the skeletons" buy up a whole lot of them and then a month or two later have the revamped one come out. I would like to start playing asap and not waiting a few months for models

**Kroothawk**

Few things are confirmed, but current plastics not getting an update soon is one of them, so core skeletons get a repacked more expensive 10 skeleton box in the first wave at best. Remember: They are an old army with only 3 plastic boxes, they have more to do in plastic than update the current ones, e.g. Tomb Guard and a Sphinx.

Them getting a hardcover army book is one of the other confirmed rumours.