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**MeanGreenStompa**

Perhaps anyone considering a tomb kings army should therefore get busy buying up all the current plastic skeles they can, just like that massed rush for the older plastic beastmen boxes before the new beastmen plastics came out.

**sphynx**

GOD DAMN IT I'M RIGHT HERE WHAT THE HELL DO YOU GUYS WANT?

This looks awesome though, i'v been waiting for Tomb Kings for ages. Another army in which to field a ridiculous amount of animals.

**GMR**

Can't wait for the new book, my only worry is that we'll only get a handful of magic items, like the grand total of 8 that the Orcs and Goblins are getting - and 4 of them are standards!

Still, a bunch of new units, new models and updated current stuff I'm still pretty excited.

**RiTides**

Using VC skeletons is a great idea! Hadn't thought of that, for some reason...

**boyd**

Manchu wrote:*moment of silence for Black Gobbo*

Here is one for all the homies that ain't with us no more...

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lord marcus wrote:Angry at the $40 dollar book cost, but then again i'll probably order it and anything else i think i want off of maelstrom.

LM (TK player for 4+ years)

Why don't you come over to Orlando and pick one up? We need more players here - if the book is good, I'm going to stop using my TK's as VC.

**Tomb King**

Does anyone know when the nexyt round of information will come out? BTW the second one is not a sphinx but a tomb king giant character. The fluff even mentions one.

**LordOfTheSloths**

My one hope for TK is that they restore something like the REAL fear ability to them. The current fear is a three-decker crap sandwich for my skellies. It's more like "temporary slightly taken aback".

**Tomb King**

Yea, as soon as tomb kings lost the ability to auto break and attack first when they charged I stopped fielding fighting infantry all together. My beautiful tomb guard collect dust once more as they await gw to open the tomb and let them out again.

No offense Khalida but you cant fight in every battle anymore. I know she needs her beauty sleep haha.

**BrassScorpion**

I've heard the Tomb Kings Army book will be even nicer than the Orcs And Goblins Army book because it was planned as a full color hardback from the start, where apparently the decision to move to hardback was made after the Orcs And Goblins book was finished and it was just reformatted to fit the change to color and hard cover. Supposedly, there will be more new artwork and other good things to recommend the Tomb Kings book.

**Tomb King**

I also like the fluff for Settra but for 620 PTs I will never run him lol

**teh unforgiven**

more chariots? yeay! they are my favourite things with TK
I already started saving money. I can't wait!!!
omgomgomgomgomg

**Strelka**

Eumerin wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:
Too bad they don't look remotely Egyptian.

Turn their shields upside down and they'd look about as Egyptian as the current Tomb King skeleton box.

My favorite part of the tomb king shields is the little skull icon plastered on each one. You know, in case you missed the theme.

I've used the VC skeletons (5 box) to fill out a rank or two, and they make decent substitutes. I just had to hack down the peg on the left shoulder to fit on a TK arm and shield (for cohesiveness). I like the shoulder armor that some of them have on the spear arm, but the norman style helmets really stand out like a sore thumb when they're ranked up.

**Iandroid**

It's about time.

**Kirasu**

Its amusing how the 3 most recent books have put a spotlight on chariots.. (Beastmen, orcs and now tomb kings) yet at the same time the writer of 8th edition totally crushed them rulewise

I seriously hope tombkings puts emphasis on non-chariot units as being where their power is..

**FacelessMage**

Just a few more days for O&G, which hopefully means more TK info soon after that...

**Kroothawk**

A new batch of rumours from DeathlessDraich over at Warseer:

Here are some rumours. I stress rumours because I do not have direct access to the writers. These second hand rumblings are from 2 different sources and seem to conflict. Some of them were initial ideas, probably. Whether they were approved or accepted in the finalised army book, I do not know but since this is a Rumours thread ...
Maybe someone who is more conversant with GW publishing procedures can throw some light onto whether the final version of the book has been completed. - I imagine it must have, by now.

1) Points changes - small changes. Ushabti and skellies down and Scorpion up
SSC, TG; - up and down - up because of the upgrades?

2) Icon bearer is gone or Icon bearer has a new name; More than 1 character can be the BSB?

3) Tomb Swarms - not Core and not 0-1; same stats? Unit size restrictions removed

4) Carrion are 4 , 4 stats? TG have an improved AS?

5) Roc - yes, as in Sinbad! T5 or S5 - a Champ upgrade to Carrion or new mount or both?

6) Undead rules basically unchanged - Hierophant rules have a modification?

7) TK magic: New spell/s or is that the lore attribute? 6 spells? Ability to cast same spells several times like VC?? TK generates dispel dice - like Arch Lector; TK is not a Wizard but can cast Incantations or cast Incantations that cannot be dispelled?

8) No Heavy Horsemen but Heavy cavalry?! Flying cavalry? Chariot that can fly or Impact hits from something unusual??

9) Banner of Undying and Banner of hidden ... still exist but better or with a sting in the tail. More than 8 magic items unlike O&G.
No Hieratic Jar?!

10) 2 new units as mentioned before.

Only (10) has no question mark because it is more or less accepted

To be honest, I'm not thrilled by any of the above and I'm still hoping for some interesting or radical changes.

Between now and April there should be some official news, so we'll wait and see. Until then don't shoot the messanger.

**Arrathon**

Kirasu wrote:Its amusing how the 3 most recent books have put a spotlight on chariots.. (Beastmen, orcs and now tomb kings) yet at the same time the writer of 8th edition totally crushed them rulewise

I seriously hope tombkings puts emphasis on non-chariot units as being where their power is..

I guess you have not read the novels then?

**Ixquic**

At least with VC (I forget exactly what the LD on TK models are) the biggest problem I have with how undead work in 8th is that with such piss poor LD stats and many units without real command groups, they can't take advantage of the many new rules such as swift reforms and such making them an even more sluggish army when everyone else can literally dance around them. With fear being nerfed to a rule which is frequently forgotten and stubborn re-rollable break checks sometimes using general's leadership (much better than instability) their inherent strengths are fairly meaningless. The entire idea of how undead function needs to be radically changed and tinkering with points here and there and a new huge monster isn't going to fix that.

**Minsc**

If Tomb Kings are spells with a Lore Attribute, and the Lore Attribute isn't "All Spells are Cast as Incantations were, but with rules clarified", my interest in Tomb Kings went away.

Really, GW? Would it kill you to have one army that doesn't use the Winds of Chaos? What's next, Necron Psykers?

**BrassScorpion**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Perhaps anyone considering a tomb kings army should therefore get busy buying up all the current plastic skeles they can, just like that massed rush for the older plastic beastmen boxes before the new beastmen plastics came out.

Oh, yeah you definitely want to do that, especially if you can find them still at discounters. Orc Warriors just quietly without announcement had a 57% price increase (19 for $35 US to 10 for $29) and I wouldn't be surprised to see a repackaging that results in a price increase for Tomb Kings too. It happened to Imperial Guardsmen too, remember? They were 20 for $35 just a few years ago, now it costs $49.50 for 20. Buy Tomb Kings troop boxes, Battalions which have a built in discount, whatever, but scoop them up now if you're thinking of starting a Tomb Kings army.

**Vitruvian XVII**

@Minsk: The Necron rumours are saying that they will get tech upgrades that function as psychic powers

**Kurgash**

**Kroothawk**

Some more rumours by unknown posters:

phantomtie wrote:Not sure how you guys would take this and I think I may have listed this before but what I was told is

1.) The old skeletons are staying as archers and that’s it just archers because they have no armor.

2.) I was also told that if you want archers buy them now because the price is going to like double (before anyone jumps in and starts talking trash about the GW guys trying to sell me stuff don’t. I was told this because the manager at the shop I go to knows I have 60 archers in my current army and don’t need any more so he was talking me out of buying the current troop box not into it).

3.) Now this I don’t know about but this is the current breakdown for the army according to my source the tomb king army will play like an empire army IE professional think archers, troops, greatsword like guys, calvary and this one I was surprised by “skirmishers”. When I say professional think old school infantry not pushovers charge reactions are in we will be getting infantry that can fight.

4.) Lastly not sure how the construct thing is working out but from the sounds of things and my guy doesn’t know but it sounds like all that stuff is landing in the second wave and that you can build an almost all construct list and that we will have a bunch of new choices but may need to do a lot of conversion if we want to field the new army in May. : (

I will finish with this and it’s as good a quote as I can muster.

“It sounds like tomb kings are the way things are going from now on with lots of supper cool stuff coming out over a really long time that way you will always have new stuff coming out to buy and paint”

Not sure if that’s a good thing or not?

PS he made it sound like 4 – 5 waves.

sasheep wrote:Was speaking to one friend who seems to be pretty reliable with release info and he told me a few things about the new releases (though i would take this waith a fair bit of salt)

1) First thing he said was buy the battalion, everything will have its use in the new book and the new one will be pricey =/
2) There will be TG and a sphinx
3) There may be more than one type of sphinx and possible more than one size (maybe cavalry of sorts?? He seemed vague on the last bit so I'm not too sure). Also said one might be a character mount (the large type i mean).
4) There is going to be new constructs. Ushabti are being kept but there will be a new type of unit that are statue-like. There will also be models coming in plastic for these guys (may explain why ushabti aren't getting any?)
5) The priests will be getting a barge made of bone (with possible CoS upgrade?)

I'm taking this a fair bit of salt, though he has got things right in the past like DE and a few grey knight things sooo *shrugs*

One final thing, he told me the main rule book hints at new things for all the armies in the fluff section...? If the Boat and statue constructs are right then he may have a good bit of advice

**Griever**

My issue with the "buy the current stuff now because it'll get more expensive after the book" is this:

The current stuff is fugly. The entire reason an army release gets me interested is because of new models....

If they continue to make the Troops box 10 models for $25 I'll continue to buy my fantasy miniatures elsewhere.

**Kirasu**

Hm if they are keeping the same awful unstable rule then skeletons better not be more than 4 points.. Otherwise GW has no idea how ineffective fear actually is now

**Tomb King**

Apparently there have been too many horror movies lately and people just arent afraid of the undead anymore. Damn you hollywood and damn you gw for watching those movies! In a world of terrors a regular empire soldier looks at the undead and scoffs. whats next models will get Atsknf

**Ixquic**

Kirasu wrote:Hm if they are keeping the same awful unstable rule then skeletons better not be more than 4 points.. Otherwise GW has no idea how ineffective fear actually is now

4 points might be a little cheap for models that don't have to take panic tests and will never break but yeah I'm with you that currently skeletons are pretty worthless. Like I said earlier I'm using the Tomb Kings book to gauge if GW "gets it" and understands how boned undead are and if I need to give up hope for my Vampire Counts army being playable or not.

**sluggaslugga**

I already knew this last summer.
(I'm not kidding. I was in warhamner world and didn't see the Tomb Kings in the miniature hall so I asked why, and she said that if the models aren't in place,they are taking photographs of them and there is going to be an update in the next WD, or there is a new army book/codex made of them. Haven't seen any WDs about tomb kings after that

**Slinky**

Just received the latest White Dwarf.

The last page says that next month = Tomb Kings...

**Kroothawk**

Some minor updates from Warseer:

Darnok's anonymous sources wrote:I've been told that one of the new incantations passes the bearers WS to a friendly unit. (especially good when combined with WS10 swords). (...)
Each unit will get the normal unit command and the option to take a lesser priest as another command that can cast specific spells on his unit.
They are getting their own normal magic lore that will be Sun based. The big spell is a blackening of the sun which will cause charging issues maybe only a d6 instead of 2, a negative to leadership across the board, negatives to shooting both ballistic skill style and war machines similar to the stormbanner.
Don't know if its been put up yet but a chariot type in each section, core special and rare.
Theres more but i can't remember all of it at this point.
(Darnok himself: ) Pre-orders will go online on the 6th, with black boxes arriving that week. I expect the first "official" rumours from there from Tuesday (5th) onwards.

BramGaunt wrote:I heard that the incantations get to be a regular lore. I heard aswell that the refilling of units might be a passive bonus to each succesfull spell cast.

Sasheep wrote:Was in my local GW and the black box is apparently in for next friday, can not wait!