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I'm hoping it's a 6th Ed. thing. I'd like to see it more widely used, instead of never being able to remember exactly what Epistolary does or where to look it up.

Also, did anyone else notice that Dreadnoughts lost Psycannons? Weird.

The one thing that bugs me about henchmen is that they can't buy shotguns or grenade launchers. I have a bunch of old Adeptus Arbites models I was going to use as a small army with Coteaz, and I was hoping I'd be able to use their shotguns WYSIWYG. Maybe I'll just use them as bolters, but that feels so lame. I also find it hilarious that warrior henchmen can buy a storm shield and a power weapon and effectively cost as much as 3 crusader henchmen who have the same equipment. I just don't understand!

Could this be the beginning of massive points re-costing by GW to sell more of everything ?

If elite grey knights are this cost, perhaps 6th ed marines are going to be really cheap, and so on.

Kurb wrote:Could this be the beginning of massive points re-costing by GW to sell more of everything ?

If elite grey knights are this cost, perhaps 6th ed marines are going to be really cheap, and so on.

Already happened with 35 point rhinos.

Brother SRM wrote:

Kurb wrote:Could this be the beginning of massive points re-costing by GW to sell more of everything ?

If elite grey knights are this cost, perhaps 6th ed marines are going to be really cheap, and so on.

Already happened with 35 point rhinos.

Granted I am new and missed the times before 5th.

But look at IG, their pimp dex, and the $$$ it takes to get all of that.
Perhaps this is the beginning of more of the same.

Just play smaller point games. (as if any of us had any self control )

Also, Orbital Relay?? Do you get to pick a kind, like lance or plasma, etc, etc?

Three TechMarines with Orbital Relay!!

Holy

I know for a fact every WAAC gamer in my local area will be playing GK soon...

Personally i was expecting a much higher points cost across the board. Depending on the exact stats and abilities of the wargear it could make every other army look like an utter joke.
Daemons seem to be pretty 'ed already and Eldar being 'the best psykers in the galaxy' seems more of a joke with every new 'dex that comes out. Psychic Storm Ravens you say? *sigh*

rdlb wrote:
Three TechMarines with Orbital Relay!!

And a psychic power that allows them to re-roll their Repair roll.


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dayve110 wrote: Eldar being 'the best psykers in the galaxy' seems more of a joke with every new 'dex that comes out. Psychic Storm Ravens you say? *sigh*

Just makes me eager for the next Eldar dex.

rdlb wrote:Just play smaller point games. (as if any of us had any self control )

Also, Orbital Relay?? Do you get to pick a kind, like lance or plasma, etc, etc?

Three TechMarines with Orbital Relay!!

Well if you are really in template love you can give them all conversion beamers too....

I'm really thinking Mordrack and jump packed GKSTs (regular d00ds) plus Dreadknight support will be the way to go for a competitive "pure" GK build. You can get Mordrack and 10 Terminators with a couple upgrades for about 600 (steal!), 3 upgraded DKs for about 200 apiece, and you have 800 pts left over to pick up a libby (Hammerhand + free nemesis daemon hammers + Quicksilver gives Mordrack's ghost terms S7 +2d6 arm pen at I10) and quite a few GKSTs.

Objective Holding Strike Teams will be very competitive, especially with their area denial in terms of deepstrike.

"No No, you have to deep strike over there, by my ten terminators and flying killer robot knights." snicker snicker

puma713 wrote:
And a psychic power that allows them to re-roll their Repair roll.

To be fair, techmarines needed something to not be total crap.

Brother SRM wrote:

puma713 wrote:
And a psychic power that allows them to re-roll their Repair roll.

To be fair, techmarines needed something to not be total crap.

Oh sure. I wouldn't field them anyway, but just adding to how suP3R-L33t Grey Knights are.

Psykers are amazing! They can be in a unit of 3-12 and only cost as much as combi-weapon!!


They have a 36" range S3*, AP6**, Assault 1 Large Blast attack!
* Strength increased by 1 for each psyker after the first.
** AP reduced by 1 for each psyker after the first.

120 points for 10 large blast railguns... what a deal!

BoyMac wrote:Psykers are amazing! They can be in a unit of 3-12 and only cost as much as combi-weapon!!


They have a 36" range S3*, AP6**, Assault 1 Large Blast attack!
* Strength increased by 1 for each psyker after the first.
** AP reduced by 1 for each psyker after the first.

120 points for 10 large blast railguns... what a deal!

Well, it is one blast per unit (no matter how many psykers are in each unit)
So you would have to have 10 units to get 10 blasts
And as henchman units are 0-1 per inq (essentially, barring a special charecter) then you could only get the 2 of them, although those two could be S10 AP1 blasts... but 1 perils and thats all your psykers having fits and exploding.

dayve110 wrote:

BoyMac wrote:Psykers are amazing! They can be in a unit of 3-12 and only cost as much as combi-weapon!!


They have a 36" range S3*, AP6**, Assault 1 Large Blast attack!
* Strength increased by 1 for each psyker after the first.
** AP reduced by 1 for each psyker after the first.

120 points for 10 large blast railguns... what a deal!

Well, it is one blast per unit (no matter how many psykers are in each unit)
So you would have to have 10 units to get 10 blasts
And as henchman units are 0-1 per inq (essentially, barring a special charecter) then you could only get the 2 of them, although those two could be S10 AP1 blasts... but 1 perils and thats all your psykers having fits and exploding.

Crap. I didn't notice it was a psychic power. I don't want them anymore .

Jokaero?

Strength 2?????
But...
Fight this, Jervis, and then tell me whether the man or the ape deserves Strength 3 more.

Huh, a little disappointment here. I was hoping another Codex would knock IG from its throne, or at least share it, and that it would be a Xenos Codex. However, seeing an army of my super-elite units actually beating my other recently started army into a corner with a stick and then taking a leak on its head and proceeding to kick and stab it, hurts.

That being said, I don't believe this codex is the one which will be released, maybe similar, but definately not the same (in aspects OTHER than an armory), regardless of whether or not it LOOKS legitimate. Hey, for all we know, GW could've gotten smarter... *Runs and hides*.

I sincerely hope this codex gets a little change before it's released, since right now you can build a 2000 point army with 54 lJokaero, and conversely 54 lascannons. That just ain't right.

I can't believe I'm the only one excited about the return of the Jokaero.

This could mean GW are exploring other alien races again.

edit - and other people just posted before me. And I didn't see it was 6 fething pages long. Reading is awesome.

Jokaero in the codex is alright, but 54 is nuts. They should probably be limited 0-3 in a squad for balance purpose.

If it means GW are warming to adding more xenos races, Tau might get Jokaero squads in their next codex.

I'd say to balance it against other codexes, the points for special characters are about 50-75 points off, individual base troops are likely around 2 or 3 points off. GK are most likely around 5 or so points off. Vehicles, strangely, are spot on though.

These things better be undercosted in this test codex or the game will seriously become very un-fun very soon.

Um....

Coteaz - 100pts (removes henchmen limitation, makes them troops):

8 psykers - 80 pts
yields a 36" STR 10 AP 1 Assault 1 large blast

8 Psykers x 6 = 480pts

That's 6 scoring units that can move and fire something that can pop any tank (IF it gets the customary additional 1d6 armor penetration roll - ?) - and just flat out murder most things on legs.

Does it even matter what you do with the other 1420 points for your 2000pt =I= army?

Well, I guess you could put 3 of those units in Land Raiders and the other 3 in StormRavens. Mechanized Inquisition with ridiculous firepower list, anyone?

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Frazzled wrote:No points cost listing.

Why? The rest fine, but why this?

Are you going to enforce the utterly asinine "It costs the same as 2 Rhinos and half a Hormagaunt" nonsense that infests rumour threads?

Crusaders seem like a swell tarpit.
15 pts for a dude with a stormshield, that piece of gear usually costs more by itself, and they get PWs too.

The fluff in this book is so... Ward-esque that it's hilarious. Look at the Draigo guy and all the crap he did. He's more Mary-Sue-ish than the Sanguinor. And then there are the vehicles - every vehicle in this book is a psyker!!!

tech66 wrote:Death-Cult Assassins - now only have Uncanny Reflexes (5+ invulnerable save)
No More - Independent
No More - Fearless
No More - Inflitrate
No More FUN!!

Ha! You think that's bad, check out the Daemonhost. How the mighty have fallen...

H.B.M.C. wrote:The fluff in this book is so... Ward-esque that it's hilarious. Look at the Draigo guy and all the crap he did. He's more Mary-Sue-ish than the Sanguinor. And then there are the vehicles - every vehicle in this book is a psyker!!!

tech66 wrote:Death-Cult Assassins - now only have Uncanny Reflexes (5+ invulnerable save)
No More - Independent
No More - Fearless
No More - Inflitrate
No More FUN!!

Ha! You think that's bad, check out the Daemonhost. How the mighty have fallen...

Not to mention the arcoflagellants...

I almost fear this is real. But a few things stand out as being too out-of-whack even for GW. The cost of a Dreadknight, for example. Or, more glaring to my eyes, the Cleansing Flame psychic power the purifiers get. A 50/50 chance, per model, for a pre-initiative wound to EVERY enemy model involved in an assault. Get the unit (of <25 point models) into combat with multiple big units, and the amount of damage done is flat out redonkulous. On the weight of this power alone, I'm thinking this 'leak' is us getting trolled by GW.

ninjaedit: Did I mention the four free incinerators for a squad of 10? Or the four psycannons for less then the cost of two models

I'm worried that there will be no new henchmen kits, only grey knights and characters, which will make awesome units like the crusader tarpit very costly in $$$$.