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shrike wrote:

Stormrider wrote:He didn't kill him or even neuter him.

He carved it INTO THE THING'S HEART. I think he killed it...

Besides that you cant kill a deamon.. he showed him for sure ^^.

I am dealing with matt's horrific fluff with the only tool I have. I am redacting it with a marker. The nonsense on page 15? REDACTED!

That story ends with the sisters winning the battle and the blood tide abating when the grey knights land.

EASY.

You can do this people...grab your markers and start crossing out crap you don't like. This is GW, remember! They change canon like it was a pair of old gym socks. (remember before orks were fungus, genestealers weren't nids, and space dwarves existed?)

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I just noticed another one...
"the planet birmingham"
WTF? Couldn't they come up with anything else?

shrike wrote:I just noticed another one...
"the planet birmingham"
WTF? Couldn't they come up with anything else?

This was also in the IG codex as well, but I agree, it is a bit...dull, shall we say?

Read the story about a GK GM fighting Arhiman and a Dredknight taking down fateweaver.


Read it aloud now. It sounds as if it's written by a 7 year old who is exited about telling a story.

"He did this... and then he did that, oh and that! and that! and then when they did this! he did THAT because he's the best and knows everything".

That's been my point since Draigo's fluff first came to light - everything about this fluff is a "And then... and then... and then..." style story. And as I said in the original threads, I remember writing stories like that.

When I was 6.

IronfrontAlex wrote:Read the story about a GK GM fighting Arhiman and a Dredknight taking down fateweaver.

Page?

shrike wrote:I just noticed another one...
"the planet birmingham"
WTF? Couldn't they come up with anything else?

Actually Birmingham : aka the Black Planet has been in the 40k setting since RT times.

This idea people have, where the guy who's name is on the cover of the new codex was just told to go write a new codex for an army, who then disappears into his office and emerges a month later to tell everyone what he's written, as if no-one in management would be giving any direction at all... this idea is ridiculous.

Seriously, a codex is a collection of rules written as part of a greater ruleset. They don't just hand it over to one guy and say 'surprise us!'

What you're actually complaining about is a change in the overall direction of GW, towards more even more spectacular events in the fluff, and even more epic new units in each army. I don't like the change either, but it's lazy and stupid to just dump it all on one guy as if he's responsible for the entirety of the direction of a new game line in a hundred million pound company.

sebster wrote:This idea people have, where the guy who's name is on the cover of the new codex was just told to go write a new codex for an army, who then disappears into his office and emerges a month later to tell everyone what he's written, as if no-one in management would be giving any direction at all... this idea is ridiculous.

Seriously, a codex is a collection of rules written as part of a greater ruleset. They don't just hand it over to one guy and say 'surprise us!'

What you're actually complaining about is a change in the overall direction of GW, towards more even more spectacular events in the fluff, and even more epic new units in each army. I don't like the change either, but it's lazy and stupid to just dump it all on one guy as if he's responsible for the entirety of the direction of a new game line in a hundred million pound company.

This is the argument I always hear
But theres one damning piece of evidence to counteract it
Dark Eldar( excluding perhaps Vect and even then hes not that bad)
That codex is nothing like Matts work at all, hell even Cruddaces codexs aren't as over the top
So why is that Wards work is the only one following this design?

As a thought experiment, let’s imagine that the time comes to write the next Tau codex.

Tom Kirby decides he wants to give Xenos a major boost, so he tells Matt Ward to make the codex awesome, and to reveal the Emporer as the Secret Power Behind The Tau, thus establishing them as the new rulers of the IoM.

This sets up a fantastic civil war scenario, as pro-Emporer and pro-High Lords factions fight for control of the Astronimcan. Ward protests, saying this goes against established fluff.

Kirby sacks him and turns to Cruddance.

What would you do if you were Cruddance?

Kilkrazy wrote:As a thought experiment, let’s imagine that the time comes to write the next Tau codex.

Tom Kirby decides he wants to give Xenos a major boost, so he tells Matt Ward to make the codex awesome, and to reveal the Emporer as the Secret Power Behind The Tau, thus establishing them as the new rulers of the IoM.

This sets up a fantastic civil war scenario, as pro-Emporer and pro-High Lords factions fight for control of the Astronimcan. Ward protests, saying this goes against established fluff.

Kirby sacks him and turns to Cruddance.

What would you do if you were Cruddance?

Insert somewhere into the new Tau fluff a cliffhander for the Fifth God of Chaos to re-emege due to the new chaos enveloping the galaxy and a prelude to a new codex army.

reds8n wrote:

shrike wrote:I just noticed another one...
"the planet birmingham"
WTF? Couldn't they come up with anything else?

Actually Birmingham : aka the Black Planet has been in the 40k setting since RT times.

If it was in RT, it's there as a joke.
Birmingham is in/near the area known as the Black Country, named during the Industrial Revolution.
Not remembering what the original reference is, I assume the planet Birmingham is a forgeworld, and was named for the resemblance to the area of ancient Terra.

Or something. Nottingham's just up the road, after all.

Kilkrazy wrote:What would you do if you were Cruddance?

I'd wonder why Tom Kirby was calling the shots and ponder what had become of Alan Merrett.

Kilkrazy wrote:As a thought experiment, let’s imagine that the time comes to write the next Tau codex.

Tom Kirby decides he wants to give Xenos a major boost, so he tells Matt Ward to make the codex awesome, and to reveal the Emporer as the Secret Power Behind The Tau, thus establishing them as the new rulers of the IoM.

This sets up a fantastic civil war scenario, as pro-Emporer and pro-High Lords factions fight for control of the Astronimcan. Ward protests, saying this goes against established fluff.

Kirby sacks him and turns to Cruddance.

What would you do if you were Cruddance?

Interesting point. Looking at other industry sectors, what you propose as a possible chain of events, isn't necessarily beyond the realms of reality. Suggesting that Ward is juts a mouth piece for GW Corporate strategy (in relation to the product direction) seems viable.

In answer to your question "What would you do if you were Cruddance?"....I think it depends on your personal situation. If you're working at GW, and it's just a job, then of course you toe the line and watch as your name is dragged through the internet forum mud......but you go on paying your mortgage, and feeding your kids.

If, on the other hand, it's job but also a labour of passion (and this is the case with some people) then you'd probably stand by your guns and seek employment with another games developer.

I think the reason why people feel so strongly about this (and other happenings) is due to the fact that they believe WH40K could be so much better. Kinda like the girl who starts dating you in the hope you will change, only to find, 20 years down the line, it just isn't gonna happen

GW could help themselves in many ways, one would be to engage their fan base and seek advice.....it's not wrong or bowing to nerd rage if you do a customer survey and post the results for all to see. I think the biggest problem is that people feel they are losing touch with their own hobby because the decisions GW are endorsing leave them not knowing if up is down or down is up!

Ultimately, it is just a game, but GW themselves encourage people to treat it more than just a game......they can't have it both ways. People get excited when England doesn't qualify for the world cup, or their favorite racing driver is disqualified from a race.....I guess that is also a form of nerd rage....and yet..

The best way to avoid nerd rage over changes and price rises from GW is to play other games as well as 40K.

Once I've beefed up my Tyranid army for Platinum Devil 3, I shall switch my attention to Infinity and MERCS for a while.

Oh, I'm already there, currently the owner of all current MERC faction figures, ready to paint and play...which is no big feat really when you see the figure count required....

But also running with PanOceania, Nomads, Yu Jing, Aleph, and HaqqIslam and partly Ariadna...Mercs for Infinity don't count, but I have all of those as well Its gonna take me a lifetime to paint all of this stuff, especially as I have doubles in some case....

I guess then...NERD rage avoided

Delephont wrote:

In answer to your question "What would you do if you were Cruddance?"....I think it depends on your personal situation. If you're working at GW, and it's just a job, then of course you toe the line and watch as your name is dragged through the internet forum mud......but you go on paying your mortgage, and feeding your kids.

If, on the other hand, it's job but also a labour of passion (and this is the case with some people) then you'd probably stand by your guns and seek employment with another games developer.

Presumably, this situation is analogous to the Chambers debacle. I guess Andy decided his principles were worth more than the GW dollar. Good on him.

It is pretty hard to work for a corporation in a creative position. Basically you have to accommodate whatever crappy ideas the boss or Marketing come up with, regardless of your own ideas and experience.

Unfortunately, it's also pretty hard to get decent job security outside of a corporation.

Kilkrazy wrote:As a thought experiment, let’s imagine that the time comes to write the next Tau codex.

Tom Kirby decides he wants to give Xenos a major boost, so he tells Matt Ward to make the codex awesome, and to reveal the Emporer as the Secret Power Behind The Tau, thus establishing them as the new rulers of the IoM.

This sets up a fantastic civil war scenario, as pro-Emporer and pro-High Lords factions fight for control of the Astronimcan. Ward protests, saying this goes against established fluff.

Kirby sacks him and turns to Cruddance.

What would you do if you were Cruddance?

Give Devilfish APCs scouting, 3 twin linked rail guns, 4+ cover saves (constant), let 22 Firewarriors shoot of them---and make them 55 points?

Oh you mean fluff.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Give Devilfish APCs scouting, 3 twin linked rail guns, 4+ cover saves (constant), let 22 Firewarriors shoot of them---and make them 55 points?

Oh you mean fluff.

Too underwhelming.

Let's give it AV 12 all sides, immunity to meltas, no-scatter teleport beacons, +4 wound chances on opponents attacking it, allow it to teleport other Devilfish next to it, and make it a nice even 50.

^
with preferred enemy of everything...

here's another GK fluff facepalm:
"bending the path of projectiles and even energy beams around corners"

wait, so GK purgators (AKA GK devastators) can bend bullets?
This is kinda reaching Goto level if this carries on...
and they can live through an orbital bombardment to the head?

shrike wrote:^
with preferred enemy of everything...

here's another GK fluff facepalm:
"bending the path of projectiles and even energy beams around corners"

wait, so GK purgators (AKA GK devastators) can bend bullets?
This is kinda reaching Goto level if this carries on...
and they can live through an orbital bombardment to the head?

This is even worse than Goto.... Its something worse.... Its Twilight Level. Oh Dear god. SOUND THE ALERT!
TWILIGHT LEVEL BOYS GET THE DAMN CANNONS READY TO KILL THOSE MAT WARD APOLOGISTS!

AWWOOOOOOOGHHHAAAAAAA!!!

AWWOOOOOOOGHHHAAAAAAA!!!

*shrug*

Since 3rd edition things have been getting sillier and sillier anyway...

Hey remember when dark eldar were just scary webway eldar and then they turned into an innumerable swarm of immortal space pain-vampires? Ones that can regrow their entire bodies from fingers?

MikeMcSomething wrote:Hey remember when dark eldar were just scary webway eldar and then they turned into an innumerable swarm of immortal space pain-vampires?

Ah, but do you also remember when Dark Eldar were Slaanesh-worshipping Chaos Eldar, and then they turned into scary webway eldar?

I remember when my orks had mohawks and beer keg plasma cannon, Marines had jetbikes and rhinos were bought in packs of three for less than the current kit goes for..

Remember when WD told you how to scratchbuild models and scenery instead of buying it?

insaniak wrote:

MikeMcSomething wrote:Hey remember when dark eldar were just scary webway eldar and then they turned into an innumerable swarm of immortal space pain-vampires?

Ah, but do you also remember when Dark Eldar were Slaanesh-worshipping Chaos Eldar, and then they turned into scary webway eldar?

Rarr let's start a petition!