SPARTAN vs. Space Marine

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**Brother Coa**

I found your lack of faith in our Angels of Death disturbing...
Space Marines are build to be THE finest warriors our race can produce. I didn't see so far worthy for them in any sci-fi, and by that I mean the solder on their level of combat, expiriance, zeal, protection, fire-power etc...

The only ones I found that have a chance to defeat them are: Yautja ( Predator ) and Protoss Dark Templars ( Starcraft ). Against everyone else it would be a bloody massacre.

Fell free to add your suggestions

**Andrew1975**

Brother Coa wrote:I found your lack of faith in our Angels of Death disturbing...
Space Marines are build to be THE finest warriors our race can produce. I didn't see so far worthy for them in any sci-fi, and by that I mean the solder on their level of combat, expiriance, zeal, protection, fire-power etc...

The only ones I found that have a chance to defeat them are: Yautja ( Predator ) and Protoss Dark Templars ( Starcraft ). Against everyone else it would be a bloody massacre.

Fell free to add your suggestions

The original Heinlin's Starship troopers?

**Brother Coa**

Andrew1975 wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:I found your lack of faith in our Angels of Death disturbing...
Space Marines are build to be THE finest warriors our race can produce. I didn't see so far worthy for them in any sci-fi, and by that I mean the solder on their level of combat, expiriance, zeal, protection, fire-power etc...

The only ones I found that have a chance to defeat them are: Yautja ( Predator ) and Protoss Dark Templars ( Starcraft ). Against everyone else it would be a bloody massacre.

Fell free to add your suggestions

The original Heinlin's Starship troopers?

What, all troopers in MARAUDER?
Pfffft..... Melta + Lasscannons + Power weapons = buy, buy big robots.
Bolters can work to...

**Andrew1975**

No the actual power armored soldiers from the book. Not those awful movies.

**Wardragoon**

Andrew1975 wrote:No the actual power armored soldiers from the book. Not those awful movies.

+1 I think neither Space Marines nor SPARTANs are equipped to deal with jump troopers who fire atomic bombs/hydrogen bombs at them.

**KOS**

Space Marines for sure. The only guy in a fictional universe to destroy a Space Marine and a SPARTAN is Duke Nukem.

But just because he's cool.

**Wardragoon**

KOS wrote:Space Marines for sure. The only guy in a fictional universe to destroy a Space Marine and a SPARTAN is Duke Nukem.

But just because he's cool.

I am certain Creed could do it

**KOS**

Creed is Creed,

I admit... he might hide a Titan in his pocket.

**Wardragoon**

KOS wrote:Creed is Creed,

I admit... he might hide a Titan in his pocket.

Nah, he's too old for that nowadays, he makes the titan appear from the SMs face

**master of ordinance**

Jaon wrote:
Andrew1975 wrote:Being an older gamer I remember when marines weren't so fluffy. I base everything on rules. So space marines are strong, but can still be punched by guardsmen and be killed with lasguns. At this point the big difference that the spartan has a shield. I hate to say it but it looks like spartan wins.

If you go by fluff then the marine wins, but if you go by fluff then marines shoots lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs out their arse like William Wallace.

Actually they dont, I'd love to see one 5th edition codex where a space marine does either of those.

The shields are weak. They are made to STOP the spartan getting killed by the first couple rounds they get hit by, so they can take cover, recharge, and have at it again. Their armour is next to useless against covenant weaponry. Imperial Weaponry is even more powerful.

Basing the Spartans off fluff, and the Space Marines off rules is unfair. I dont know where any of you are getting the idea that Spartan shields are powerful. If a Splaser splatters them, A lascannon will, if a brute shot takes off their shields in 3-4 hits, a boltgun will too. There is seriously no grounds to say that a Spartans shields would help at all against a space marine. If it takes a single whack from an elite to take their shields of, a flick from a space marine will do it.

I love halo, MORE than 40k, but I still KNOW a space marine would win. Remember, a spartan probably wouldnt want to get hit from a UNSC sniper rifle, and Im pretty sure they are .65cal. The smallest bolt is explosive .75. Not good.

"First couple of rounds" huh.
well i withstood the "first couple of rounds" from a hunters gun once and still had sheilds left. admittedly i was in hazard armour but still...

**SagesStone**

Wardragoon wrote:
KOS wrote:Space Marines for sure. The only guy in a fictional universe to destroy a Space Marine and a SPARTAN is Duke Nukem.

But just because he's cool.

I am certain Creed could do it

Yes Creed could allow Duke to travel to both the Halo and WH40k universes to do so.

**master of ordinance**

I think were all missing the point here.
The spartan can armour lock indefinetly.
The marine cant.

the spartan has sheilds that can withstand HORRIFIC ANTI SHIP FIRE AND ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS.
the marine cant.

The spartan is just to awsome to die.
marines...well frankly these days their just to common for that ever so vital awsome bonus.

SPARTAN-1
Marine-0

**iproxtaco**

Spartan armor cannot armor lock indefinitely. The Armour lock in the games grant temporary invulnerability. The lock that happened to the Chief in Halo 3 was due to a complete shut-down of all systems, he wasn't even conscious and his shields weren't active. A Marine always has his armor at full strength. A SPARTANs shield could stop maybe a few bursts of bolter shots before breaking, the Marines armor is certainly consistently stronger, not relying on temporary shields.
A SPARTAN is definitely faster, no matter how wrong I was about Power Armour increasing speed.

**Zweischneid**

iproxtaco wrote:
A SPARTAN is definitely faster, no matter how wrong I was about Power Armour increasing speed.

Because you say so? A Marine is a hell of a lot faster than a SPARTAN, both running and in his reactions as he moves with his armour "like a second skin".

**iproxtaco**

And the same thing is said for a SPARTANS armor, it's like they aren't even wearing a suit of titanium plate that weighs more than a tonne. I think they are faster, you may think differently, but I haven't read anything which details the extreme speed of a Space Marine, but there are a fair few examples of a SPARTANS extreme speed hence why I came to that conclusion. They dodge bullets at point blank, run kilometers in ridiculous times, hit a missile in mid-air, the general descriptions of their speed and reaction times would also make me come to the conclusion that they are faster, there's only so much that servos can do to increase speed with heavy armor.

**Zweischneid**

General descriptions without clear points of references are not the most reliable sources, especially if they're common hyperbole tropes like "dodging a bullet".

For what it's worth, lets run with that comparison for the sake of hilarity:

Space Marines in FoD regularly dodge Gauss Weaponry at close range, which are said to be magnetically based (e.g. Lexicanum). Magnetic fields are regularly used for measurements in particule accelerators and the like, as they can keep up (in their responsive expansion/contraction) and measure, for example, antiprotons going at about 10% the speed of light (299 792 448 m/s). A normal bullet in comparison goes at about 1500 m/s, thus the "gauss-weapon" dodging Space Marine would be jumping out of the way of something still at least 20.000x as fast as a regular bullet.

**Brother Coa**

master of ordinance wrote:I think were all missing the point here.
The spartan can armour lock indefinetly.
The marine cant.

No, it cannot. Marince can be locked indefinetly ( Terminator and Dreadnought ).

the spartan has sheilds that can withstand HORRIFIC ANTI SHIP FIRE AND ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS.
the marine cant.

On Legendary shields can be down from 3 plama shots. Space Marines have shields ( Space Marine Game ), and they can survive Orbital Bombardment ( see Space Marine cutscene and GK fluff ).

The spartan is just to awsome to die.
marines...well frankly these days their just to common for that ever so vital awsome bonus.

Kalgar, Draigo, Mephisto, Lysander, Dante, Calgar are also to
awesome to die....

And how many SPARTANS are there alive?

SPARTAN-1
Space Marine-10

**iproxtaco**

Zweischneid wrote:General descriptions without clear points of references are not the most reliable sources, especially if they're common hyperbole tropes like "dodging a bullet".

For what it's worth, lets run with that comparison for the sake of hilarity:

Space Marines in FoD regularly dodge Gauss Weaponry at close range, which are said to be magnetically based (e.g. Lexicanum). Magnetic fields are regularly used for measurements in particule accelerators and the like, as they can keep up (in their responsive expansion/contraction) and measure, for example, antiprotons going at about 10% the speed of light (299 792 448 m/s). A normal bullet in comparison goes at about 1500 m/s, thus the "gauss-weapon" dodging Space Marine would be jumping out of the way of something still at least 20.000x as fast as a regular bullet.

No, they are actual specific events. A SPARTAN, literally dodged a bullet at point blank. The Master Chief literally side-stepped out of the way of a missile that was only a few feet away, and then hit it away with his hand.

**Zweischneid**

iproxtaco wrote:
No, they are actual specific events. A SPARTAN, literally dodged a bullet at point blank.

Well, do you have a quote? Did he dodge "a bullet" or did he dodge "a weapon fired".

**iproxtaco**

Brother Coa wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:the spartan has sheilds that can withstand HORRIFIC ANTI SHIP FIRE AND ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS.
the marine cant.

On Legendary shields can be down from 3 plama shots. Space Marines have shields ( Space Marine Game ), and they can survive Orbital Bombardment ( see Space Marine cutscene and GK fluff ).
And how many SPARTANS are there alive?

Heroic mode is actually the realistic way according to Bungie, in which case it's about 6-7 last time I played. The 'shield' in the Space Marine game aren't actual shields, it's a game mechanic and not an actual representation of new shields that Space Marines could have.
How many SPARTANS are alive? Last I counted there were 6.

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Zweischneid wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
No, they are actual specific events. A SPARTAN, literally dodged a bullet at point blank.

Well, do you have a quote? Did he dodge "a bullet" or did he dodge "a weapon fired".

I don't understand the difference. It was a training exercise, the SPARTANS were assigned to capture the flag from a bunker protected by heavily armoured Mechs, with miniguns. On the roof of the bunker, a Mech fired it's mingun only about 3 feet away from a SPARTAN, he dodged the bullets.

**Zweischneid**

iproxtaco wrote:

I don't understand the difference. It was a training exercise, the SPARTANS were assigned to capture the flag from a bunker protected by heavily armoured Mechs, with miniguns. On the roof of the bunker, a Mech fired it's mingun only about 3 feet away from a SPARTAN, he dodged the bullets.

The difference is that in 99% of fiction ever written "dodging the bullet" tends to refer to "presenting a moving target"; e.g. making it difficult to get an aim on you and not allowing the shooter to truly target you. You are not "dodging" the bullet so much as the targeting of the shooter and decrease the probability of a hit. Most soldiers can do that. And it is quite different to truly "doging the bullet": e.g. being in precisely the spot where the bullet would hit as it leaves the gun and moving out of the way of this spot in the time it takes the bullet to travel the distance from gun to target.

**iproxtaco**

They were standing opposite each other, the minigun tracked, fired, and the SPARTAN side-stepped out of the way.

**Toastedandy**

Zweischneid wrote:General descriptions without clear points of references are not the most reliable sources, especially if they're common hyperbole tropes like "dodging a bullet".

Zweischneid wrote:comparison for the sake of hilarity:

Zweischneid wrote: "like a second skin".

Ha

Anyway, you can nit pick about the english language and bend it as much as you can, but Spartans are more agile than a Space marine

**Zweischneid**

Toastedandy wrote:
Anyway, you can nit pick about the english language and bend it as much as you can, but Spartans are more agile than a Space marine

Nothing to do with nitpicking. I am not even saying you are wrong. But to make a valid argument, you'd need to provide some evidence and references. Just saying they are more agile because I think they are/should be doesn't do much to support your claim. Quite to the contrary

**Toastedandy**

Did you ever play the halo games? he runs non stop at a constant speed of 15 mph......for ever.......he never stops or slows down. He can jump over another spartan with ease...ehhh.....he can do other stuff too....like...errr.....dodge bullets!

**Zweischneid**

Toastedandy wrote:Did you ever play the halo games? he runs non stop at a constant speed of 15 mph......for ever.......he never stops or slows down. He can jump over another spartan with ease...ehhh.....he can do other stuff too....like...errr.....dodge bullets!

Did you ever play the 40 tabletop game? A running/charging Assault Marine is half as fast as a supersonic jet going maximum speed and covers nearly the effective combat distance of an assault rifle in the time it takes to fire a single bullet.

We have been here before, haven't we?

**Omegus**

Brother Coa wrote:The only ones I found that have a chance to defeat them are: Yautja ( Predator ) and Protoss Dark Templars ( Starcraft ). Against everyone else it would be a bloody massacre.

I don't think the Predator would have a chance. His little laser cannon would be the only thing remotely threatening. I would say a SPARTAN would rock a Predator as soundly as an Astartes would rock a SPARTAN.

**iproxtaco**

So not that soundly depending upon your point of view. From the way I see it, both SPARTANs and Space Marines would school a Predator, the Space Marine would win most of the match-ups but it's fairly equal in physical terms to a SPARTAN once you balance the equation. The Marine has an advantage with weaponry and armor.

**dajobe**

iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:the spartan has sheilds that can withstand HORRIFIC ANTI SHIP FIRE AND ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS.
the marine cant.

On Legendary shields can be down from 3 plama shots. Space Marines have shields ( Space Marine Game ), and they can survive Orbital Bombardment ( see Space Marine cutscene and GK fluff ).
And how many SPARTANS are there alive?

Heroic mode is actually the realistic way according to Bungie, in which case it's about 6-7 last time I played. The 'shield' in the Space Marine game aren't actual shields, it's a game mechanic and not an actual representation of new shields that Space Marines could have.
How many SPARTANS are alive? Last I counted there were 6.

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Zweischneid wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
No, they are actual specific events. A SPARTAN, literally dodged a bullet at point blank.

Well, do you have a quote? Did he dodge "a bullet" or did he dodge "a weapon fired".

I don't understand the difference. It was a training exercise, the SPARTANS were assigned to capture the flag from a bunker protected by heavily armoured Mechs, with miniguns. On the roof of the bunker, a Mech fired it's mingun only about 3 feet away from a SPARTAN, he dodged the bullets.

Arent 3 or 4 of the spartans locked inside that stasis/vault thingy with no way out(i think that its in first strike?)

**iproxtaco**

I did a bit of research, there are either 11 or 14 still alive, out of 33 originals. That's not half bad, having just less than half left after 25 years or so of fighting the covenant.