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Pardon my ignorance but how many Titans were downed in the book?

iproxtaco wrote:Pardon my ignorance but how many Titans were downed in the book?

A single warhound brought down by markerlights and seeker missiles is the official tally. I swear I recalled reading that another titan was lost to a similar attack on another part of the battlefield or something like that, but I can't find the reference.

Ironically enough, the Imperium was a bigger threat to its own Titans than the Tau, a psycho Inquisitor was ready to exterminatus the planet via virus bomb on the planet (which would have destroyed the titans as well) before anyone could evac.

Kanluwen wrote:
They downed a single Warhound in the Taros campaign. It likely could have been salvaged, given the fact that railgun rounds tend to hull a vehicle rather than cause it to spectacularly explode or disintegrate unless they hit the reactor core.

The Imperium has not deployed any Reavers against the Tau, so there's no way at all that the Tau have destroyed them.

You are obviously poorly versed in how a railgun works.

The U.S. Navy is currently developping railguns (and have had several test-fires, however they have been one shots so far, ruining the cannons)
And the tiny warhead-less round fired by the railgun reached velocities so great that upon impact left a blast radius comparable to that of a tomahawk missile.

Tau railguns are orders of magnitude greater than ours, as seen in the fact that in SS, a round that had hit a rock left visible ripples through the massive boulder and cracked it in half, demonstrating their superiority to lascannons. Then step that up to a heavy railgun so massive mantas use them for space combat, and you see why it WOULD make it spectacularly explode.

Wouldn't have destroyed the Titans if Galaxy in flames is anything to go by. Everything else though wouldn't be so lucky. Typical Imperium. Hinders its own actions more than the enemy does.

chaos0xomega wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Pardon my ignorance but how many Titans were downed in the book?

A single warhound brought down by markerlights and seeker missiles is the official tally. I swear I recalled reading that another titan was lost to a similar attack on another part of the battlefield or something like that, but I can't find the reference.

Ironically enough, the Imperium was a bigger threat to its own Titans than the Tau, a psycho Inquisitor was ready to exterminatus the planet via virus bomb on the planet (which would have destroyed the titans as well) before anyone could evac.

Titans can seal off all airflow and survive virus bombs. Read the HH, Istvaan III.

chaos0xomega wrote:

The most powerful weapons against Titans that seem to be used, missiles that travel through the Warp and very close combat weapons (i.e. Titan scale weaponry) aren't used by Tau. An Imperator Titan will likely outrange Mantas and have numerous smaller weapon emplacements equipped. Alone and without support, the Tau would only be able to take one down with heavy losses since I don't see the Tau being capable of outranging an Imperator Titan. Unless they manage to secure and maintain air supremacy and knock most of the anti-air capability of the Imperial forces, I doubt they'll actually be able to take an Imperator out short of orbital bombardment (crashing Mantas or Tigersharks into it might just work).

Considering that the fluff always depicts the railguns as outranging pretty much everything else, I doubt it. I mean for feths sake, real world railguns are estimated of being able to strike a target at up to 200km away with trajectory (over the horizon fire), and I recall reading somewhere that if they could figure out how to mount them (the full sized naval railguns) on aircraft they could theoretically be able to fire a direct shot at least that far depending on altitude, etc. As for taking air superiority, its not impossible, the Tau have done it before (in fact, it seems to be the one thing that that the Imperium really does have trouble doing when fighting against the Tau).

In almost every case where the Imperium hasn't had air superiority against the Tau, it's been very stupidly explained.

Let's take Taros, as an example. Rather than seize and hold the surface to orbit weaponry--the Imperium spiked it.
Rather than seize and relocate the Hydra emplacements defending the Tarokeen spaceport--the Imperium spiked them.

I won't even get into the absurdity of the Tau having concealed airbases that are big enough to land and service several freaking Mantas at the same time that somehow are missed in orbital sweeps by the Astartes and Imperial Navy both.

Btw, for the whole orbital bombardments from the Tau, what ship based weaponry do the Tau posess anyway?

Pretty much enlarged versions of your ground based heavy weapons: railguns, ion cannons, and drone missiles. In BFG they can put out a fair amount of damage, but it usually takes fewer hits to destroy them.

Which brings up another fairly good point.

How are the Tau going to be landing forces if they can't take hits on the landing craft?

If they don't find out some good tactic soon ( with much less resources involved ) they are going to get stomped if the ever encounter Titan Legion.

Like the legion they fought on Dal'yth, or does Legio Thanataris not count as a real titan legion? Last I checked 7 warhounds, 6 reavers and a warlord qualifies.

Savage Scars does not count, because every other piece of fluff in regards to the battle of Dal'yth makes no mention of Reavers much less Warlords being around.
Andy freaking Hoare strikes again, clearly.

You're absolutely right, the Tau forces would be escorting their Titan Killers. The difference is that the Tau rely upon aircraft, and there's only so much armor you can give aircraft.
You're also reliant upon having an airbase or a ship in orbit to allow those aircraft to get into combat.

While true, considering all the aircraft in the Tau arsenal are transatmospheric, they are capable of sustaining re-entry, so much like a Thunderhawk, they would,in theory, be less vulnerable (at least on the underside) to any purely energy/heat based weaponry. Besides that, all those vehicles are able, according to the Taros campaign, of traveling at least 2100 kilometers per hour. That is pretty fast, ~Mach 2, and that isn't necessarily top speed either (they need to be able to reach escape velocity in order to exit the atmosphere after all, whether or not they have skimmer like anti-grav drives to assist them I cannot say). Hitting a target at that speed isn't easy by any means, even before you factor in countermeasures. THAT is an aircraft's 'armor'.

You know what else is an aircraft's 'armor'?
Not being expected. If the Imperium had any kind of anti-aircraft equipment on the ground--you can bet your sweet blue bottom that the Tigershark would have been shot down.

And if the Tau do orbital bombardments, the only things we've seen from them that are capable of doing such bombardments are missiles, railguns, etc. Things that aren't installed in turrets and require the ship to be aligned directly on target for the most part.

So pretty much just like the Imperium...

If you say so.

im2randomghgh wrote:

You are obviously poorly versed in how a railgun works.

The U.S. Navy is currently developping railguns (and have had several test-fires, however they have been one shots so far, ruining the cannons)
And the tiny warhead-less round fired by the railgun reached velocities so great that upon impact left a blast radius comparable to that of a tomahawk missile.

Tau railguns are orders of magnitude greater than ours, as seen in the fact that in SS, a round that had hit a rock left visible ripples through the massive boulder and cracked it in half, demonstrating their superiority to lascannons. Then step that up to a heavy railgun so massive mantas use them for space combat, and you see why it WOULD make it spectacularly explode.

I think ours are better, It was mentioned here before...

iproxtaco wrote:Pardon my ignorance but how many Titans were downed in the book?

1

And this will not change, no matter how hard some try here to claim otherwise.

Arial assets didn't survive the attention of the Hydras.
Seems not so awesome, what is brought low by autocannons.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
They downed a single Warhound in the Taros campaign. It likely could have been salvaged, given the fact that railgun rounds tend to hull a vehicle rather than cause it to spectacularly explode or disintegrate unless they hit the reactor core.

The Imperium has not deployed any Reavers against the Tau, so there's no way at all that the Tau have destroyed them.

You are obviously poorly versed in how a railgun works.

And you're clearly a Railgunologist?

Railguns are a class of weapon that is pretty common for scifi. Mass Effect has them, Halo has them, and more.

Railguns utilize a magnetic acceleration system to make a projectile reach hypersonic velocities and generate kinetic energy upon impact based upon the mass of the projectile. Hence why they're sometimes referred to as "mass drivers" or "kinetic kill weapons".

The U.S. Navy is currently developing railguns (and have had several test-fires, however they have been one shots so far, ruining the cannons)
And the tiny warhead-less round fired by the railgun reached velocities so great that upon impact left a blast radius comparable to that of a tomahawk missile.

That's good for them. Actually, I'd suggest you reread the information about that. It's theorized that the impact will be equivalent to a Tomahawk missile's explosion at a fraction of the cost.

Tau railguns are orders of magnitude greater than ours, as seen in the fact that in SS, a round that had hit a rock left visible ripples through the massive boulder and cracked it in half, demonstrating their superiority to lascannons.

Oh my god, a railgun broke a rock? No freaking way! It's almost like exactly what most tank cannons can do!

Then step that up to a heavy railgun so massive mantas use them for space combat, and you see why it WOULD make it spectacularly explode.

Except those "massive railguns" are what was used on the Warhound killed in Taros.

Guess what?
There was no explosion from the impact. There were holes in the hull, that's all.

Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

The most powerful weapons against Titans that seem to be used, missiles that travel through the Warp and very close combat weapons (i.e. Titan scale weaponry) aren't used by Tau. An Imperator Titan will likely outrange Mantas and have numerous smaller weapon emplacements equipped. Alone and without support, the Tau would only be able to take one down with heavy losses since I don't see the Tau being capable of outranging an Imperator Titan. Unless they manage to secure and maintain air supremacy and knock most of the anti-air capability of the Imperial forces, I doubt they'll actually be able to take an Imperator out short of orbital bombardment (crashing Mantas or Tigersharks into it might just work).

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Considering that the fluff always depicts the railguns as outranging pretty much everything else, I doubt it. I mean for feths sake, real world railguns are estimated of being able to strike a target at up to 200km away with trajectory (over the horizon fire), and I recall reading somewhere that if they could figure out how to mount them (the full sized naval railguns) on aircraft they could theoretically be able to fire a direct shot at least that far depending on altitude, etc. As for taking air superiority, its not impossible, the Tau have done it before (in fact, it seems to be the one thing that that the Imperium really does have trouble doing when fighting against the Tau).

In almost every case where the Imperium hasn't had air superiority against the Tau, it's been very stupidly explained.

Let's take Taros, as an example. Rather than seize and hold the surface to orbit weaponry--the Imperium spiked it.
Rather than seize and relocate the Hydra emplacements defending the Tarokeen spaceport--the Imperium spiked them.

I won't even get into the absurdity of the Tau having concealed airbases that are big enough to land and service several freaking Mantas at the same time that somehow are missed in orbital sweeps by the Astartes and Imperial Navy both.

Btw, for the whole orbital bombardments from the Tau, what ship based weaponry do the Tau posess anyway?

Pretty much enlarged versions of your ground based heavy weapons: railguns, ion cannons, and drone missiles. In BFG they can put out a fair amount of damage, but it usually takes fewer hits to destroy them.

Which brings up another fairly good point.

How are the Tau going to be landing forces if they can't take hits on the landing craft?

If they don't find out some good tactic soon ( with much less resources involved ) they are going to get stomped if the ever encounter Titan Legion.

Like the legion they fought on Dal'yth, or does Legio Thanataris not count as a real titan legion? Last I checked 7 warhounds, 6 reavers and a warlord qualifies.

Savage Scars does not count, because every other piece of fluff in regards to the battle of Dal'yth makes no mention of Reavers much less Warlords being around.
Andy freaking Hoare strikes again, clearly.

You're absolutely right, the Tau forces would be escorting their Titan Killers. The difference is that the Tau rely upon aircraft, and there's only so much armor you can give aircraft.
You're also reliant upon having an airbase or a ship in orbit to allow those aircraft to get into combat.

While true, considering all the aircraft in the Tau arsenal are transatmospheric, they are capable of sustaining re-entry, so much like a Thunderhawk, they would,in theory, be less vulnerable (at least on the underside) to any purely energy/heat based weaponry. Besides that, all those vehicles are able, according to the Taros campaign, of traveling at least 2100 kilometers per hour. That is pretty fast, ~Mach 2, and that isn't necessarily top speed either (they need to be able to reach escape velocity in order to exit the atmosphere after all, whether or not they have skimmer like anti-grav drives to assist them I cannot say). Hitting a target at that speed isn't easy by any means, even before you factor in countermeasures. THAT is an aircraft's 'armor'.

You know what else is an aircraft's 'armor'?
Not being expected. If the Imperium had any kind of anti-aircraft equipment on the ground--you can bet your sweet blue bottom that the Tigershark would have been shot down.

And if the Tau do orbital bombardments, the only things we've seen from them that are capable of doing such bombardments are missiles, railguns, etc. Things that aren't installed in turrets and require the ship to be aligned directly on target for the most part.

So pretty much just like the Imperium...

If you say so.

1st part: They conceal their base with stealth technology. In case you haven't noticed, they have superior tech when compared to the IoM, with only Necrons and MAYBE Eldar being more advanced. Being able to hide from these sensor sweeps only makes sense.

2nd part: What do you mean, can't take hits on their landing craft? Their landing craft are Mantas, which are pretty beastly. I admit Orcas are pretty squishy...

3rd part: So your opinions are worth more than a BL author? Good to know. Either way, it is much more plausible than Battle of the Fang where 1 termie plus 1 dread=pounding a Primarch.

4th part: Maybe if they had dozens and dozens of Hydras, but a single AA position is insufficient for downing mantas. Expecially Mantas going at Mach 2.

5th part: Doesn't matter, a ship rolling upside down or to it's side is nothing in space.


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Kanluwen wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
They downed a single Warhound in the Taros campaign. It likely could have been salvaged, given the fact that railgun rounds tend to hull a vehicle rather than cause it to spectacularly explode or disintegrate unless they hit the reactor core.

The Imperium has not deployed any Reavers against the Tau, so there's no way at all that the Tau have destroyed them.

You are obviously poorly versed in how a railgun works.

And you're clearly a Railgunologist?

Railguns are a class of weapon that is pretty common for scifi. Mass Effect has them, Halo has them, and more.

Railguns utilize a magnetic acceleration system to make a projectile reach hypersonic velocities and generate kinetic energy upon impact based upon the mass of the projectile. Hence why they're sometimes referred to as "mass drivers" or "kinetic kill weapons".

The U.S. Navy is currently developing railguns (and have had several test-fires, however they have been one shots so far, ruining the cannons)
And the tiny warhead-less round fired by the railgun reached velocities so great that upon impact left a blast radius comparable to that of a tomahawk missile.

That's good for them. Actually, I'd suggest you reread the information about that. It's theorized that the impact will be equivalent to a Tomahawk missile's explosion at a fraction of the cost.

Tau railguns are orders of magnitude greater than ours, as seen in the fact that in SS, a round that had hit a rock left visible ripples through the massive boulder and cracked it in half, demonstrating their superiority to lascannons.

Oh my god, a railgun broke a rock? No freaking way! It's almost like exactly what most tank cannons can do!

Then step that up to a heavy railgun so massive mantas use them for space combat, and you see why it WOULD make it spectacularly explode.

Except those "massive railguns" are what was used on the Warhound killed in Taros.

Guess what?
There was no explosion from the impact. There were holes in the hull, that's all.

1: You just lost all credibility. mass Drivers are most assuredly NOT railguns, in fact you'd be surprised just how NOT a railgun it is. Gauss weapons, railguns and magnetic accelerators are all magnet operated, that is the ONLY similarity.

2. Theorized based on observation of field test. Also, they move so fast plasma forms around the projectile. It is unrelated but super-awesome sauce.

3. It sent waves through a rock. Tank cannons can only do that to water. Also, the HEAT (or krak in 40k) rounds would do rather little to a massive stone boulder. Those same railgun shots were turning ceramite into liquid-ceramite that makes terminator armour, terminator armour that has, in some fluff, withstood lascannons. Railgun>Lascannon

4. Another example of GW not knowing anything it writes about, it is almost as stupid as how they portray Gauss cannons.

im2randomghgh wrote:
1st part: They conceal their base with stealth technology. In case you haven't noticed, they have superior tech when compared to the IoM, with only Necrons and MAYBE Eldar being more advanced. Being able to hide from these sensor sweeps only makes sense.

Bahahahaha. You're making crap up now.

They have absolutely nothing to suggest that they have "stealth technology" that can conceal entire bases. Sorry, but absolutely not.

2nd part: What do you mean, can't take hits on their landing craft? Their landing craft are Mantas, which are pretty beastly. I admit Orcas are pretty squishy...

Do you really think Hydras are the only anti-aircraft system that the Imperium has?

3rd part: So your opinions are worth more than a BL author? Good to know. Either way, it is much more plausible than Battle of the Fang where 1 termie plus 1 dread=pounding a Primarch.

No, my opinions are worth more than an author who has a well-known bias for the Tau and wrote a book to make them seem far more badass.
There was nothing prior or since Savage Scars to indicate an actual Titan Legion with Reavers and Warlords was present at Dal'yth.

4th part: Maybe if they had dozens and dozens of Hydras, but a single AA position is insufficient for downing mantas. Expecially Mantas going at Mach 2.

See above.

5th part: Doesn't matter, a ship rolling upside down or to it's side is nothing in space.

It does when there's anti-ship weaponry in play. You need to get into a low, stable orbit to be able to commence a bombardment.

1: You just lost all credibility. mass Drivers are most assuredly NOT railguns, in fact you'd be surprised just how NOT a railgun it is. Gauss weapons, railguns and magnetic accelerators are all magnet operated, that is the ONLY similarity.

Until you start actually showing some kind of credibility, you have none.
Railguns are a subcategory of mass driver/kinetic kill weaponry. That's what science says.

2. Theorized based on observation of field test. Also, they move so fast plasma forms around the projectile. It is unrelated but super-awesome sauce.

Actually, it was theorized before the field test.

BAE demonstrated an 8 Megajoule weapon, as a demo of the expected 64 MJ.
The 64 MJ weapons are expected to run the length of a freaking cruiser to deliver that Tomahawk sized crater.

3. It sent waves through a rock. Tank cannons can only do that to water. Also, the HEAT (or krak in 40k) rounds would do rather little to a massive stone boulder. Those same railgun shots were turning ceramite into liquid-ceramite that makes terminator armour, terminator armour that has, in some fluff, withstood lascannons. Railgun>Lascannon

Yeah, because tank mounted railguns clearly wouldn't be superior to what began life as crew served weaponry, right?
Lascannons are, quite frankly, meant to be burning through tanks. They do well at that. Terminator Armour has withstood lascannons not because of the ceramite, but because of the shield generators mounted in the armor and the armor proper

4. Another example of GW not knowing anything it writes about, it is almost as stupid as how they portray Gauss cannons.

You mean the Gauss weaponry that isn't meant to be magnetic accelerators? There's a reason the Gauss weaponry employed by Necrons are called Gauss Flayers.

im2randomghgh wrote:5th part: Doesn't matter, a ship rolling upside down or to it's side is nothing in space.

When did the laws of physics stop working in space?

Every fluff situation has said that turning big battle ships is quite tedious.

If a several mile long ship turns at high speeds... it won't end well, gravity or not it still has a centre of mass and stuff will be sent flying.

Uh...

Railgun is a magnetic weapon who shoots projectile at high speeds.
I don't see what the big deal with that weapon is. Sure, projectile can go as fast as 2 - 2.500 km/s but that doesn't mean that it can penetrate mountains. And the weapon fires slowly so they have only 1 shot against any target.

The question should be: how big projectiles can Tau railgun fire? And can they be of various ammunition? ( EMP, Exploading rounds... )

Soladrin wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:5th part: Doesn't matter, a ship rolling upside down or to it's side is nothing in space.

When did the laws of physics stop working in space?

Every fluff situation has said that turning big battle ships is quite tedious.

If a several mile long ship turns at high speeds... it won't end well, gravity or not it still has a centre of mass and stuff will be sent flying.

Example - Vandred's maneuver in Soul Hunter. The crew thought it would be stupid, and were left throwing up on the floor after it. It caused hull stress and incapacitated the crew. Good damn job.

im2randomghgh wrote:
1st part: They conceal their base with stealth technology. In case you haven't noticed, they have superior tech when compared to the IoM, with only Necrons and MAYBE Eldar being more advanced. Being able to hide from these sensor sweeps only makes sense.

What?

Tau don't have Warp technology or teleportation technology.
They also lack genetic alteration technology as well as psy technology.

Tau are not technologically more advanced than IoM, not yet anyway...

They're also fairly far behind the Eldar and their Dark Eldar cousins. The Tau have literally nothing that's superior to the either.

nvm misread.

im2randomghgh wrote:

1st part: They conceal their base with stealth technology. In case you haven't noticed, ...blah blah.....

oh really?

im2randomghgh wrote:
4th part: Maybe if they had dozens and dozens of Hydras, but a single AA position is insufficient for downing mantas. Expecially Mantas going at Mach 2.

The imperial anti aircraft installations like to thank you for your ignorance. Maybe these wracks over there should have been a warning?

im2randomghgh wrote:

It is unrelated but super-awesome sauce.

cool. now we fill this thread with unrelated spam.

1hadhq wrote:
4th part: Maybe if they had dozens and dozens of Hydras, but a single AA position is insufficient for downing mantas. Expecially Mantas going at Mach 2.

And 2 Mach is quite slow to us now. Imagine in 38.000 years, were they have fighter that can go 6.000 km without any problem.
I think Imperial AA can get anything at that speed without problem.

Hitting something going at mach 2 is funny.. it makes the hit a lot worse.

The Imperium have the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT /Autowin

Once again, Imperial fanboys gettin all worked up because the Tau dunk on them.

Maybe someday the Imperium will have, you know, like 1 conquered Tau world to brag about, that wasn't just a world they lost then reclaimed. Until then, I think the Tau are sitting pretty fine on the multiple SYSTEMS they have stolen from the terribaddies known as the Imperium.

Whats better is that there are Marines in Dreadnoughts older then the Tau race!

As for the OP, The Tau have wiped out a Titan before, believe it was a warhound on Taros, though I want to say during the DGC they killed one aswell.

At any rate, the Tau didn't really have to do anything substantial to bring the Titan down. A retro-fitted Tiger Shark isn't a galaxy shattering innovation, well, maybe to the Imperial witch doctors it is, but to the Tau it's simply putting piece "a" into slot "a" and killing a baddie. What's alarming, is that such a young race fought such an old race and found a way to smash the face off some of their best technology with relative ease. That is, unless someone wants to explain the difficulty in pressing the red button in a cockpit of a fighter bomber.


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purplefood wrote:The Imperium have the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT /Autowin

Space Pope > Then all your CRASSUSES

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Whats better is that there are Marines in Dreadnoughts older then the Tau race!

W£hat is even better is living Marines(well,chaos)That are older than the Tau race.Abbaddon being one of them.I believe Ahriman is another.

purplefood wrote:The Imperium have the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT /Autowin

Not the PRAETOR ARMORED ASSAULT LAUNCHER , this time..

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Once again, Imperial fanboys gettin all worked up because the Tau dunk on them.

Maybe someday the Imperium will have, you know, like 1 conquered Tau world to brag about, that wasn't just a world they lost then reclaimed. Until then, I think the Tau are sitting pretty fine on the multiple SYSTEMS they have stolen from the terribaddies known as the Imperium.

Whats better is that there are Marines in Dreadnoughts older then the Tau race!

As for the OP, The Tau have wiped out a Titan before, believe it was a warhound on Taros, though I want to say during the DGC they killed one aswell.

At any rate, the Tau didn't really have to do anything substantial to bring the Titan down. A retro-fitted Tiger Shark isn't a galaxy shattering innovation, well, maybe to the Imperial witch doctors it is, but to the Tau it's simply putting piece "a" into slot "a" and killing a baddie. What's alarming, is that such a young race fought such an old race and found a way to smash the face off some of their best technology with relative ease. That is, unless someone wants to explain the difficulty in pressing the red button in a cockpit of a fighter bomber.

Lol. Do you always go on these satirical rants when you feel your faction is threatened by opposing fans? I find you to be massively hypocritical in nearly every thread you post in. First you start out ok, probably some at least reasoned comment, about the Tau obviously, but it always degenerates into this unbridled fanboy ranting. Face it, your faction is small and pointless, its victories are small and insignificant, no matter how you paint it. The victories of the Hrud and other such minor threats exceed that of the Tau. Have fun feebly frog hopping your way to eventual destruction.

1hadhq wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Imperium have the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT /Autowin

Not the PRAETOR ARMORED ASSAULT LAUNCHER , this time..

That's my Super Secret Backup...

chaos0xomega wrote:
Considering that the fluff always depicts the railguns as outranging pretty much everything else, I doubt it.

I may well be wrong here, but aren't Emperor Titans said to be capable of trading shots with ships in orbit (although I doubt they do it very successfully)? I would also assume that there was a reason that the Tigershark hitting the Warhound on Taros seemed to go fairly close.

I mean for feths sake, real world railguns are estimated of being able to strike a target at up to 200km away with trajectory (over the horizon fire), and I recall reading somewhere that if they could figure out how to mount them (the full sized naval railguns) on aircraft they could theoretically be able to fire a direct shot at least that far depending on altitude, etc.

Which is presumably theoretical and quite possibly isn't exactly what Games Workshop were thinking of when they gave the Tau railguns. It's possible that they use railguns in a slightly different manner than that in which we're trying to develop them.

As for taking air superiority, its not impossible, the Tau have done it before (in fact, it seems to be the one thing that that the Imperium really does have trouble doing when fighting against the Tau).

They have, but with an Emperor Titan the Imperium's going to have more resources in the fight and logically more air cover as well as anti-air (aside from that which the Titan itself supplies). An Emperor Titan will also take a lot more hits than the Warhound did; it certainly won't be one pass taking it out.

Please keep your titan based fanboyism to yourself and use actual logic and reasoning when trying to argue a point.

Well that's just rude.

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
1st part: They conceal their base with stealth technology. In case you haven't noticed, they have superior tech when compared to the IoM, with only Necrons and MAYBE Eldar being more advanced. Being able to hide from these sensor sweeps only makes sense.

What?

Tau don't have Warp technology or teleportation technology.
They also lack genetic alteration technology as well as psy technology.

Tau are not technologically more advanced than IoM, not yet anyway...

They don't go further into the warp because they don't have the navigator gene, and it would kill them.

They don't have psy technology, because they don't have psy. duhh.

The only reason IoM has genetic alteration is because the EoM, a GOD, made a pact with the gods of chaos.

And Kanluwen, Mass Drivers and railguns ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

To start off, Mass Drivers aren't weapons. Railguns use magnetically charged rails to propel a load down the length of the barrel, while mass drivers propel a load using an airtight tube hundreds of kilometers long (anything less is insufficient for any results) meant to propel a load up and unfathomably gentle incline. It uses coils of wire which are electromagnetically charged in sequential firing to propel a load which then continues on it's own due to momentum. Railgun involves the entire rail being charged the entire time.

While it does bare similarities to a gauss weapon, it does NOT bear similarities to a railgun, save for the magnetic force being used to propel the load.

Those are kind of flimsy excuses to their obvious technological inferiority in certain areas.
The third point is completely and utterly wrong though.

Mass Drivers can be utilized as weapons. There's research going on right now about it, with the main objective being orbital mass drivers that will be able to hit targets on the Earth's surface.