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**im2randomghgh**

Amaya wrote:To the haters.

What about the boy genius known as Creed who rose from the ashes to become Cadia's greatest military mastermind? Nope, he's not a Mary Tzu.

Or Marbo, who is alleged to hunt Lictors? Nah, that's not OTT.

Or Marneus Calgar who is feared and respected throughout the entire Imperium?

Or Yarrick, the only 'umie respected by Orks?

Or Drazhar, who effortlessly slaughtered dozens of Incubi and their masters, warriors who easily rank amongst the most skilled in the galaxy?

Or Lelith Hesperax, who toys with her enemies before mercilessly slaughtering them? She is untouchable. An avatar of death.

There are multiple OTT/"Mary Sue" esque characters in 40k. Draigo is perhaps the least of them. If people could actually read and understand that what he accomplishes is meaningless they might understand that.

Heck, he can't even lead his own bloody Chapter.

The difference being the Marbo hunts lictors, and Kaldor Draigo hunts DAEMON PRIMARCHS WHILE IN THE WARP.

**Brother Coa**

Chowderhead wrote:Listen up, Coa, I'm going to say this once.

HE'S A GREY KNIGHT. Fire Hawks were Marines, and had no protection from the Warp. Draigo, OTOH has sigils and wards so far up his ass he can taste the paper and metal, OK?

It's like saying people in Hazmat suits will catch the plague because a Baby and a 80 year old woman did.

So that practically means that they can assault Eye of Terror and battle for thousand of years and none of them will mutate or be corrupted?

**Durza**

Brother Coa wrote:
Durza wrote:There's no evidence that the Emperor or Tzeentch is aiding him.

There is also no evidence to support otherwise, that he don't have help at all from the 3'rd side.

So because GW hasn't said that he doesn't have help from another source, you claim that it means he must. Very well, I say the Emperor was actually Khorne in disguise. Find some fluff that says otherwise.

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Durza wrote:
There's kind of a difference between super super humans being misled by evil gods because their father in his 'infinite' wisdom didn't see fit to tell them that Chaos was more dangerous than anything else in the universe, and a group of super humans being brainwashed and trained specifically to combat those same dangers. Here's something: has a primarch ever been killed by an ork? No. Has a Grey Knight?

I see your point, but still Primarchs were something close to the Emperor and they fell to corruption. Gray Knight may be incoruptible but they stil can't survive in the Warp for so long without protection, nothing can.
And when did you see Grey Knights fighting non-Daemon forces?

Three days ago, at a friends house.

**iproxtaco**

Brother Coa wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:Listen up, Coa, I'm going to say this once.

HE'S A GREY KNIGHT. Fire Hawks were Marines, and had no protection from the Warp. Draigo, OTOH has sigils and wards so far up his ass he can taste the paper and metal, OK?

It's like saying people in Hazmat suits will catch the plague because a Baby and a 80 year old woman did.

So that practically means that they can assault Eye of Terror and battle for thousand of years and none of them will mutate or be corrupted?

Pretty much. Still doesn't stop them being stabbed by a Bloodletter or set on fire by a Lord of Change.

**Durza**

Brother Coa wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:Listen up, Coa, I'm going to say this once.

HE'S A GREY KNIGHT. Fire Hawks were Marines, and had no protection from the Warp. Draigo, OTOH has sigils and wards so far up his ass he can taste the paper and metal, OK?

It's like saying people in Hazmat suits will catch the plague because a Baby and a 80 year old woman did.

So that practically means that they can assault Eye of Terror and battle for thousand of years and none of them will mutate or be corrupted?

So you have claimed. Several times.

**Brother Coa**

And I am finish with ipotaxo, a suborn men is a suborn men. He now even contradicts what he said...

I will just say that Draigo is a troll, he never lose a battle, nor he will. He is incredibly over powered Mary Sue and that's it.

**iproxtaco**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Amaya wrote:To the haters.

What about the boy genius known as Creed who rose from the ashes to become Cadia's greatest military mastermind? Nope, he's not a Mary Tzu.

Or Marbo, who is alleged to hunt Lictors? Nah, that's not OTT.

Or Marneus Calgar who is feared and respected throughout the entire Imperium?

Or Yarrick, the only 'umie respected by Orks?

Or Drazhar, who effortlessly slaughtered dozens of Incubi and their masters, warriors who easily rank amongst the most skilled in the galaxy?

Or Lelith Hesperax, who toys with her enemies before mercilessly slaughtering them? She is untouchable. An avatar of death.

There are multiple OTT/"Mary Sue" esque characters in 40k. Draigo is perhaps the least of them. If people could actually read and understand that what he accomplishes is meaningless they might understand that.

Heck, he can't even lead his own bloody Chapter.

The difference being the Marbo hunts lictors, and Kaldor Draigo hunts DAEMON PRIMARCHS WHILE IN THE WARP.

And MArbo is a mere mortal guardsmen whilst Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of the most powerful and elite chapter of Astartes specifically to hunt that kind of prey.

**Chowderhead**

Brother Coa wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:Listen up, Coa, I'm going to say this once.

HE'S A GREY KNIGHT. Fire Hawks were Marines, and had no protection from the Warp. Draigo, OTOH has sigils and wards so far up his ass he can taste the paper and metal, OK?

It's like saying people in Hazmat suits will catch the plague because a Baby and a 80 year old woman did.

So that practically means that they can assault Eye of Terror and battle for thousand of years and none of them will mutate or be corrupted?

Yes it does.

**Brother Coa**

Durza wrote:

So that practically means that they can assault Eye of Terror and battle for thousand of years and none of them will mutate or be corrupted?

So you have claimed. Several times.

Adn where does it say that Grey Knight flesh can't mutate in Warp?
Bloodtide begs differ, and Draigo don't have innocent Sisters to slaughter in the Warp to protect himself

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Amaya wrote:To the haters.

What about the boy genius known as Creed who rose from the ashes to become Cadia's greatest military mastermind? Nope, he's not a Mary Tzu.

Or Marbo, who is alleged to hunt Lictors? Nah, that's not OTT.

Or Marneus Calgar who is feared and respected throughout the entire Imperium?

Or Yarrick, the only 'umie respected by Orks?

Or Drazhar, who effortlessly slaughtered dozens of Incubi and their masters, warriors who easily rank amongst the most skilled in the galaxy?

Or Lelith Hesperax, who toys with her enemies before mercilessly slaughtering them? She is untouchable. An avatar of death.

There are multiple OTT/"Mary Sue" esque characters in 40k. Draigo is perhaps the least of them. If people could actually read and understand that what he accomplishes is meaningless they might understand that.

Heck, he can't even lead his own bloody Chapter.

The difference being the Marbo hunts lictors, and Kaldor Draigo hunts DAEMON PRIMARCHS WHILE IN THE WARP.

And MArbo is a mere mortal guardsmen whilst Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of the most powerful and elite chapter of Astartes specifically to hunt that kind of prey.

...A primarch. A PRIMARCH. A DAEMON PRIMARCH.

AND Marbo uses guerrila tactics, whereas draigo just trolled a DAEMON PRIMARCH for lulz.

**iproxtaco**

Brother Coa wrote:And I am finish with ipotaxo, a suborn men is a suborn men. He now even contradicts what he said...

I will just say that Draigo is a troll, he never lose a battle, nor he will. He is incredibly over powered Mary Sue and that's it.

I accept your gracious concession of all points. At least you know when you literally cant back up any of your ludicrous thoughts. Seriously, next time, do some reading, take some time to look over the other person's argument, and don't just make stuff up and drag stuff on for a few pages.

**Chowderhead**

Brother Coa wrote:
Durza wrote:

So that practically means that they can assault Eye of Terror and battle for thousand of years and none of them will mutate or be corrupted?

So you have claimed. Several times.

Adn where does it say that Grey Knight flesh can't mutate in Warp?
Bloodtide begs differ, and Draigo don't have innocent Sisters to slaughter in the Warp to protect himself

Those Grey Knights don't happen do be King Grey Knight Draigo, do they?

He's more powerful and has a better resistance to Deamonic Touches.

Comparing Draigo to a Grey Knight is like Comparing a Warboss to a Grot.

**Brother Coa**

Dark Gods = Chaos Gods and that 's it.
Then to me Emperor = Guardsman.
And I can back up, but you won't listen and always get back to the beginning , never mind I explained everything.
You are a troll... ( seriously liek talking to the wall )

**iproxtaco**

im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Amaya wrote:To the haters.

What about the boy genius known as Creed who rose from the ashes to become Cadia's greatest military mastermind? Nope, he's not a Mary Tzu.

Or Marbo, who is alleged to hunt Lictors? Nah, that's not OTT.

Or Marneus Calgar who is feared and respected throughout the entire Imperium?

Or Yarrick, the only 'umie respected by Orks?

Or Drazhar, who effortlessly slaughtered dozens of Incubi and their masters, warriors who easily rank amongst the most skilled in the galaxy?

Or Lelith Hesperax, who toys with her enemies before mercilessly slaughtering them? She is untouchable. An avatar of death.

There are multiple OTT/"Mary Sue" esque characters in 40k. Draigo is perhaps the least of them. If people could actually read and understand that what he accomplishes is meaningless they might understand that.

Heck, he can't even lead his own bloody Chapter.

The difference being the Marbo hunts lictors, and Kaldor Draigo hunts DAEMON PRIMARCHS WHILE IN THE WARP.

And MArbo is a mere mortal guardsmen whilst Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of the most powerful and elite chapter of Astartes specifically to hunt that kind of prey.

...A primarch. A PRIMARCH. A DAEMON PRIMARCH.

AND Marbo uses guerrila tactics, whereas draigo just trolled a DAEMON PRIMARCH for lulz.

Yes I know. The Imperium's most powerful Daemon hunter fighting a notably weak Daemon Prince.

**Brother Coa**

Chowderhead wrote:
He's more powerful and has a better resistance to Deamonic Touches.

Comparing Draigo to a Grey Knight is like Comparing a Warboss to a Grot.

So he is some kind of special character? He can survive in the Warp while all others would die?
Then it must be true when Chaos Gods can't even kill him...

**iproxtaco**

Brother Coa wrote:Dark Gods = Chaos Gods and that 's it.
Then to me Emperor = Guardsman.

Yep. Although I find your complete inability to understand this hilarious. It's like trying to teach a Pig to do Trigonometry.

And I can back up, but you won't listen and always get back to the beginning , never mind I explained everything.
You are a troll... ( seriously liek talking to the wall )

No, you can't. At all. You have literally nothing to back your claims, hence why you're conceding the argument. I wouldn't accuse anyone of being a Troll if I were you.

**Durza**

They might kill him if they didn't have better things to do.

**iproxtaco**

Brother Coa wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
He's more powerful and has a better resistance to Deamonic Touches.

Comparing Draigo to a Grey Knight is like Comparing a Warboss to a Grot.

So he is some kind of special character? He can survive in the Warp while all others would die?
Then it must be true when Chaos Gods can't even kill him...

He's the Supreme Grand Master of the most powerful and elite fighting force the Imperium can field. He is literally the most skilled member of the Astartes and mankind's best Daemonhunter. So yes, he's a fething Special Character.

**Durza**

It isn't actually stated whether the Chaos Gods are even bothered trying to kill him. He's one man, if insanely powerful, but whatever he does doesn't compare to the massive wars the gods constantly wage.

**Chowderhead**

iproxtaco wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
He's more powerful and has a better resistance to Deamonic Touches.

Comparing Draigo to a Grey Knight is like Comparing a Warboss to a Grot.

So he is some kind of special character? He can survive in the Warp while all others would die?
Then it must be true when Chaos Gods can't even kill him...

He's the Supreme Grand Master of the most powerful and elite fighting force the Imperium can field. He is literally the most skilled member of the Astartes and mankind's best Daemonhunter. So yes, he's a fething Special Character.

Aside from Primarchs and the Big E, I would say Draigo is up there as one of the most powerful Imperials in the Galaxy currently.

So yes, as iproxtaco stated, he's a Special Character. And if you took time to read the damned book, you would realize it said so in his rules.

**Brother Coa**

iproxtaco wrote:
No, you can't. At all. You have literally nothing to back your claims.

Nor do you Mr. TROLOLOLOLOLOLO my thinking is better than anyone esle TROLOLOLOLOLOLO.....
I am finished now...

**Chowderhead**

Durza wrote:It isn't actually stated whether the Chaos Gods are even bothered trying to kill him. He's one man, if insanely powerful, but whatever he does doesn't compare to the massive wars the gods constantly wage.

Yes. He's a pest, everything he does just gets reset in a few days, and he's barley noticed. Sure, some people may have a vendetta against him, but the Dark Gods have bigger fish (Or Thrones) to fry.

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Brother Coa wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
No, you can't. At all. You have literally nothing to back your claims.

Nor do you Mr. TROLOLOLOLOLOLO my thinking is better than anyone esle TROLOLOLOLOLOLO.....
I am finished now...

Well, no. You see, he has multiple people backing up his sources and claims. That counts as being backed up, in my book.

**Brother Coa**

Chowderhead wrote:
So yes, as iproxtaco stated, he's a Special Character. And if you took time to read the damned book, you would realize it said so in his rules.

So he is really a Mary Sue? Thanks...

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Chowderhead wrote:
Well, no. You see, he has multiple people backing up his sources and claims. That counts as being backed up, in my book.

Ok, prove to me that Dark Gods are not Chaos Gods.
And that Chaos Gods are in fact keeping Draigo trapped just to have fun with him.

You are talking about that all this thread yet I didn't read that anywhere beside your posts...

**Chowderhead**

Brother Coa wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
So yes, as iproxtaco stated, he's a Special Character. And if you took time to read the damned book, you would realize it said so in his rules.

So he is really a Mary Sue? Thanks...

Hmm, does that mean that every special character in 40k is Mary Sue? Is the Deciever Mary Sue? How about the Nightbringer? Is Mad Dok Grotsnik Mary Sue?

Think before you type. It may end in you being called a Troll less.

And I'm not answering the second part of your question, because we have answered that already.

Also, Durza, Amya, ph34r, and others. Just because they didn't say that iproxtaco was right directly, it doesn't mean their posting didn't back his statements up.

**Durza**

Where's this Dark Gods-Chaos Gods thing coming from? Dark Gods refers to any powerful Warp entity, while Chaos Gods refers to the Big Four.

If the gods were keeping Draigo trapped, why would they let him out for battles in which he aids the Knights massively instead of just keeping him there?

**Chowderhead**

Durza wrote:Where's this Dark Gods-Chaos Gods thing coming from? Dark Gods refers to any powerful Warp entity, while Chaos Gods refers to the Big Four.

If the gods were keeping Draigo trapped, why would they let him out for battles in which he aids the Knights massively instead of just keeping him there?

Thank you so much.

**Durza**

But seriously, the first mention of it I saw was like a page ago where Coa acted like it was a massive argument.

**Brother Coa**

Chowderhead wrote:
Hmm, does that mean that every special character in 40k is Mary Sue? Is the Deciever Mary Sue? How about the Nightbringer? Is Mad Dok Grotsnik Mary Sue?

Think before you type. It may end in you being called a Troll less.

Deciever is a NEcron God, Nightbringer is a Necron God to ( both of them are eating stars for breakfast ), Mad Dok Grotsnik didn't punch Mortarion in the fact and then carve the name of his Master in his heart ( before that he kileld his bodyguards in split of a second ), did I mentioned Mortarion is a fallen Primarch?

And I'm not answering the second part of your question, because we have answered that already.

You said Dark Gods = Bloodletter. I don't believe you, find me a text in codex, rulebook, BL books that say that.

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Durza wrote:Where's this Dark Gods-Chaos Gods thing coming from? Dark Gods refers to any powerful Warp entity, while Chaos Gods refers to the Big Four.

Where does that say? Witch codex?

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Durza wrote:
If the gods were keeping Draigo trapped, why would they let him out for battles in which he aids the Knights massively instead of just keeping him there?

Because it isn't they who are holding him, they are trying to kill him for all this time without success. They didn't go themselves but they send their most powerful servants who Draigo killed with a eye look. He don't bother them now but in time he will...and then we will see...( but he will defeat them becaue Matt Ward already told us that in the end of the story ).

**Chowderhead**

Mad Dok Grotsnik is a SC, and he's not Mary Sue. So, you are wrong.

Strike One.

Two, In Malleus They refer to deamons as "The Dark Gods"

Strike 2 and 3.

Done, Coa. You are wrong on all fronts. Face it.

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Also, I'm pretty sure it was stated more than 3 times, but any one of the Gods could turn Draigo in a red smear in less time than a cell makes ATP.

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:
He's the Supreme Grand Master of the most powerful and elite fighting force the Imperium can field.

*cough*custodesandtitansandassassins*cough*

And your post a few back, Mortarion is NOTABLY WEAK? With his Nurgle-y goodness he'd probably be the hardest to kill.

But other than that I agree with you on certain parts of your argument.

Also though, can't the CG control the daemonic equivalent of physics in the warp? Wouldn't that mean they could just gravity-squish him?

And FINALLY, I would argue that KD is NOT the greatest daemon killer in the IoM, and that THAT title would go to Inquisitor Lord Hector Rex.

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Chowderhead wrote:Mad Dok Grotsnik is a SC, and he's not Mary Sue. So, you are wrong.

Strike One.

Two, In Malleus They refer to deamons as "The Dark Gods"

Strike 2 and 3.

Done, Coa. You are wrong on all fronts. Face it.

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Also, I'm pretty sure it was stated more than 3 times, but any one of the Gods could turn Draigo in a red smear in less time than a cell makes ATP.

Agreed.