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silent25 wrote:Broke out some Vallejo the other day to use some colors that GW doesn't normally have and was reminded why I didn't switch to them. Can't get consistent colors and no matter how hard I shake, get a poorly mixed stream of color. Trying to get a couple drops and get a giant squirt. Friend brought up why he stopped using them. The dropper cap can come off. Squeeze too hard and cap shoots off spraying paint everywhere. Any container capable of catastrophic failure that sprays paint everywhere is a deal killer. Hope GW doesn't switch to the dropper pots.
Would like to use P3 more, but my LGS still hasn't been able to get a restock

This has been my experience with vallejo as well. I can't stand dropper bottles. I use GW, some P3, and a lot of Coat D Arms (old GW). I prefer the latter because they still use the old flip top bottles (the ones p3 uses).

If GW goes to droppers, I'm not buying them, period.

I heard it today too. I hear they already shut down the factory.
Who wants to bet paints will be 5 american dollars?

Put me in the "No dropper bottle" crowd. Bought one Vallejo to try it out and really didn't enjoy dealing with it at all. The majority of my paints are GW

Lormax wrote:Put me in the "No dropper bottle" crowd. Bought one Vallejo to try it out and really didn't enjoy dealing with it at all. The majority of my paints are GW

I paint primarily out of the pot so yeah.
Here is hping its just a new cost effective mixture that somehow raises prices. It will probably have an addictive substance in it too that make you want to but more pant.

DIDM wrote:

silent25 wrote:Broke out some Vallejo the other day to use some colors that GW doesn't normally have and was reminded why I didn't switch to them. Can't get consistent colors and no matter how hard I shake, get a poorly mixed stream of color. Trying to get a couple drops and get a giant squirt. Friend brought up why he stopped using them. The dropper cap can come off. Squeeze too hard and cap shoots off spraying paint everywhere. Any container capable of catastrophic failure that sprays paint everywhere is a deal killer. Hope GW doesn't switch to the dropper pots.
Would like to use P3 more, but my LGS still hasn't been able to get a restock

Gentle hands

painting is a gentle hand activity

Also keeping a heavy sewing machine needle on hand to push through clots in the tips does wonders.

I hope like fething hell they go dropper and finer pigment so I can actually airbrush detail with the paints.

maybe the bottles will look nothing like the others so far here is what problems I run into.


Vallejo - Not so much to deal with is that you need to keep squeezing out paint and it may get messy. Clean up is a hassle since you gotta clean paint off your plastic pallet thing.

You need a plastic paint pallet to use it right and takes experience and know how to use it just right without missing much paint.

P3 - Paint cap lids get caked pretty bad and they break VERY easily making a REALLY HUGE pain to paint afterward or try to use the paint.


Citidel - Previous to what we have now. Paint drips into lid part where it closes and dries, It dries up in lid near the base of where the lid opens and can be messy.

Newer ones to not open all the way and is a big hassle and paint easily gets into the lid and dries there. Big Hassle.


So I hope they make paint pots that solves ALL of those problems!

Vasarto wrote:maybe the bottles will look nothing like the others so far here is what problems I run into.


Vallejo - Not so much to deal with is that you need to keep squeezing out paint and it may get messy. Clean up is a hassle since you gotta clean paint off your plastic pallet thing.

You need a plastic paint pallet to use it right and takes experience and know how to use it just right without missing much paint.

P3 - Paint cap lids get caked pretty bad and they break VERY easily making a REALLY HUGE pain to paint afterward or try to use the paint.


Citidel - Previous to what we have now. Paint drips into lid part where it closes and dries, It dries up in lid near the base of where the lid opens and can be messy.

Newer ones to not open all the way and is a big hassle and paint easily gets into the lid and dries there. Big Hassle.


So I hope they make paint pots that solves ALL of those problems!

I noticed something. Paint only drips into the tops if they are on there sides or upside down. So the lids on the new citadel actually help you save paint. Tey cant be place upside down so pant downs always get in there.

Two unconfirmed rumours from Warseer:

SunTZu wrote:A little birdy told me that far from paints being discontinued, the range is going to triple in size.
I obviously can't independently confirm that.

Lord_Goober wrote:A little birdy told me that the major change is a change of supplier from a chinese supplier to a US supplier. Much like SunTzu I can't confirm who said it or where.

I understood the current manufacturer to be French?

I have mixed feelings on a dropper type bottle, yes better for airbrushing but more of a hassle when you want a brushful. You can buy droppers/syringes for little money from chemists/drugstores and better hobby shops, so regular pots are not a problem anyway. I would like a return to the old style pots. No less messy but they didn't have the flat face where paint collects like the newer ones.

Re the tank brush, that was for base coating larger models. The large dry brush is.....well I'll let you work that out for yourself. You can buy large brushes most places, it's no real loss.

Maelstrom808 wrote:

DIDM wrote:

silent25 wrote:Broke out some Vallejo the other day to use some colors that GW doesn't normally have and was reminded why I didn't switch to them. Can't get consistent colors and no matter how hard I shake, get a poorly mixed stream of color. Trying to get a couple drops and get a giant squirt. Friend brought up why he stopped using them. The dropper cap can come off. Squeeze too hard and cap shoots off spraying paint everywhere. Any container capable of catastrophic failure that sprays paint everywhere is a deal killer. Hope GW doesn't switch to the dropper pots.
Would like to use P3 more, but my LGS still hasn't been able to get a restock

Gentle hands

painting is a gentle hand activity

Also keeping a heavy sewing machine needle on hand to push through clots in the tips does wonders.

I found that the vallejo paints tend to congiel rather badly until I added 'agitators' inside the paint bottle and vola problem solved. I personally love the dapper bottle's but to each there own. I just used little steel ball bearings. I got a whole handful and Rona for like nothing. Plus they make good ammo for my friends sling shot.

Whatever they say they are doing to their paints, I'm sure their "fine and best in the industry paints" will warrant a price increase.

ChocolateGork wrote:Those are just p3 bottles with citadel labels.Or at least it looks that way. I doubt they would make their bottles look so similar to a major competitors

These bottles are not made by PP directly, they're used by HMG Paints.
HMG produces the P3, Coat'd'Arms and Wargames Foundry paint lines, they are all made by the same company in the same factory.
The old GW paints were made by HMG too and used the same bottle design, if GW was to return to HMG the bottle design might come back too.

Hi,
I don't know if anybody has posted this but the current manufactures will either do the same pant for The Army Painter or Gale Force 9 (Not sure about Gale Force or its something else). Any thing that will be different is a new pot probably. Coat to arms still does the original range of citadel paints here and acouor chart [url=]http://www.blackhat.co.uk/coat_darms/paintcolours.phphere[/url].

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Lormax wrote:Put me in the "No dropper bottle" crowd. Bought one Vallejo to try it out and really didn't enjoy dealing with it at all. The majority of my paints are GW

I paint primarily out of the pot so yeah.

It seems that not all dropper bottles are created equal.
I have bought both Vallejo and Reaper, and experiencing problems with both the lids, caps and clogging.
Still I went ahead and bought 100 dropper bottles from Hong Kong. You know the kind...Cheap and soft

And I have had zero problems with any of them.

I transferred all my GW paints to those cheap bottles and never looked back.
On that note, I would like to remind everybody that GW is a lying, cheating, bastard company when it comes to paint.
Not only are they extremely expensive, but they also DO NOT put 12 ml. of paint in their pots.....not even close.

After having heard of this before, I decided to make a "benchmark bottle" with precisely 12 ml of coloured water....and none of the GW bottles came even close. Not by a loooong shot.
Naturally I took care to only measure brand-new unopened GW pots and was very careful about getting all the paint transferred.

Just FYI.

I hope they only get rid of the colors no one uses. I would be real happy if Terracotta was brought back.

I have a pot of that!

silent25 wrote:Broke out some Vallejo the other day to use some colors that GW doesn't normally have and was reminded why I didn't switch to them. Can't get consistent colors and no matter how hard I shake, get a poorly mixed stream of color. Trying to get a couple drops and get a giant squirt. Friend brought up why he stopped using them. The dropper cap can come off. Squeeze too hard and cap shoots off spraying paint everywhere. Any container capable of catastrophic failure that sprays paint everywhere is a deal killer. Hope GW doesn't switch to the dropper pots.
Would like to use P3 more, but my LGS still hasn't been able to get a restock

So let me get this straight. Because you can't use a product properly, it's a deal killer? Sorry, friend, the dropper bottles NEVER need to be squeezed hard. If you have to put that much pressure on the bottle...umm...maybe there is a blockage. Try clearing it with a bit of wire and squeeze gently. If you are spraying paint every where with a dropper...you are doing it wrong.

I would welcome dropper bottles. Less waste, less mess, less wasted paint, easier mixing. What's not to love?

Steelmage99 wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Lormax wrote:Put me in the "No dropper bottle" crowd. Bought one Vallejo to try it out and really didn't enjoy dealing with it at all. The majority of my paints are GW

I paint primarily out of the pot so yeah.

It seems that not all dropper bottles are created equal.
I have bought both Vallejo and Reaper, and experiencing problems with both the lids, caps and clogging.
Still I went ahead and bought 100 dropper bottles from Hong Kong. You know the kind...Cheap and soft

And I have had zero problems with any of them.

I transferred all my GW paints to those cheap bottles and never looked back.
On that note, I would like to remind everybody that GW is a lying, cheating, bastard company when it comes to paint.
Not only are they extremely expensive, but they also DO NOT put 12 ml. of paint in their pots.....not even close.

After having heard of this before, I decided to make a "benchmark bottle" with precisely 12 ml of coloured water....and none of the GW bottles came even close. Not by a loooong shot.
Naturally I took care to only measure brand-new unopened GW pots and was very careful about getting all the paint transferred.

Just FYI.

Uhh, isn't the concentration of pigment more important than the actual fluid volume at the time of purchase?

Like as long as the pot had 12ml worth of pigment in it when it was produced it doesn't matter if some of the water evaporated before you bought it. Just add your own Your post sort of seems like an insane person's outlook to me.,

All these little complaints about the dropper bottles amaze me.

* Regarding them being hard to squeeze and spraying everywhere, Todosi hit it spot on.

Todosi wrote:the dropper bottles NEVER need to be squeezed hard. If you have to put that much pressure on the bottle...umm...maybe there is a blockage. Try clearing it with a bit of wire and squeeze gently. If you are spraying paint every where with a dropper...you are doing it wrong.

* Needs a Palette - Oh noes, you mean you have to buy a $2 palette from some art supply shop? Teh horror! (And perish the thought of cleaning it)

* Lack of Consistency? Take the tiny amount of time to shake the bottle and then actually mix the paint together for a couple seconds. I will admit that some Vallejo paints are just terrible in this regard, but they're few and far between. On the other hand I've had zero issues with any Reaper paint in this matter. You want inconsistency? Try consistently mixing different paints together when you have to eyeball the amount you've taken from a GW pot.

* Wasting paint when you just want a brushful? This baffles me the most. I have been using a variety of Vallejos for over a year now alongside GW paints and I am only now getting close to replacing my first Vallejo bottle, whereas I have gone through at least three GW Enchanted Blues alone in the same time period because they clotted up beyond the point of usefulness and cost me a third or more of the pot. Yes, you sometimes end up using a fraction of the paint you dropped out with the dropper bottles, but there are ways around this (you can actually get paint straight from the tip of the bottle if you apply a small amount of pressure). And this loss is NOTHING compared to the amount of paint that I have lost in the GW pots that are prone to clumping.

Maybe I'm just hardcore, but it just seems to me that for all the work you're putting into this hobby you could afford the fractional amount of time and effort that it would take to save you a decent amount of paint and guesswork. I, for one, would be thrilled to have GW paints sold in dropper bottles (but yes, the washes need to stay in their current pots). I'd even stomach a moderate price increase without grumbling because it would actually be worth it for me.

Dropper bottles are the reason I switched to Vallejo. More precise mixing and less risk of losing a hundred bucks or more worth of paint from having it dry out too quickly.

Rayth Phaenor wrote:All these little complaints about the dropper bottles amaze me.

* Regarding them being hard to squeeze and spraying everywhere, Todosi hit it spot on.

Todosi wrote:the dropper bottles NEVER need to be squeezed hard. If you have to put that much pressure on the bottle...umm...maybe there is a blockage. Try clearing it with a bit of wire and squeeze gently. If you are spraying paint every where with a dropper...you are doing it wrong.

* Needs a Palette - Oh noes, you mean you have to buy a $2 palette from some art supply shop? Teh horror! (And perish the thought of cleaning it)

* Lack of Consistency? Take the tiny amount of time to shake the bottle and then actually mix the paint together for a couple seconds. I will admit that some Vallejo paints are just terrible in this regard, but they're few and far between. On the other hand I've had zero issues with any Reaper paint in this matter. You want inconsistency? Try consistently mixing different paints together when you have to eyeball the amount you've taken from a GW pot.

* Wasting paint when you just want a brushful? This baffles me the most. I have been using a variety of Vallejos for over a year now alongside GW paints and I am only now getting close to replacing my first Vallejo bottle, whereas I have gone through at least three GW Enchanted Blues alone in the same time period because they clotted up beyond the point of usefulness and cost me a third or more of the pot. Yes, you sometimes end up using a fraction of the paint you dropped out with the dropper bottles, but there are ways around this (you can actually get paint straight from the tip of the bottle if you apply a small amount of pressure). And this loss is NOTHING compared to the amount of paint that I have lost in the GW pots that are prone to clumping.

Maybe I'm just hardcore, but it just seems to me that for all the work you're putting into this hobby you could afford the fractional amount of time and effort that it would take to save you a decent amount of paint and guesswork. I, for one, would be thrilled to have GW paints sold in dropper bottles (but yes, the washes need to stay in their current pots). I'd even stomach a moderate price increase without grumbling because it would actually be worth it for me.

Now i only go through Two Paints that often. White and Black. And i replace my metal often too. Some o rarely use(blue,Yellow, Flesh,) So just painting out of the pot is nice. But if they do switch to droppers i suppose i will get a pallet. Maybe a wooden ne wit on of those holes where you put your thump to hold it up.
But really, They closed down there factories. It could be a replacement of the entire range. Not just bottles.

Shredsmore wrote:I hope they only get rid of the colors no one uses. I would be real happy if Terracotta was brought back.

Thing is - All of them will be colours people use.
There'll be colours you don't use, but none spring to mmind that no one does.

Ovion wrote:

Shredsmore wrote:I hope they only get rid of the colors no one uses. I would be real happy if Terracotta was brought back.

Thing is - All of them will be colours people use.
There'll be colours you don't use, but none spring to mmind that no one does.

I guess you're right. There are a lot of browns that look nigh-identical, though.

Todosi wrote:
So let me get this straight. Because you can't use a product properly, it's a deal killer? Sorry, friend, the dropper bottles NEVER need to be squeezed hard. If you have to put that much pressure on the bottle...umm...maybe there is a blockage. Try clearing it with a bit of wire and squeeze gently. If you are spraying paint every where with a dropper...you are doing it wrong.

I would welcome dropper bottles. Less waste, less mess, less wasted paint, easier mixing. What's not to love?

Doesn't take much force to get a squirt. Even gently, get a slight squirt. As I said, my gripe was poor mixing. Shake for half a minute and still get clear liquid. Nothing is as annoying as making a mix and the last paint comes out poorly forcing you to start over. Haven't used the Reaper paints yet. If they don't have the mixing problem, might give them a try.

For the cap coming off, was conveying what I heard from others. Lose cap and slight pressure, and the thing will pop off dumping paint everywhere.

Of course if GW does switch, there will be a 20 page thread bringing up these points ad-nausea with all the usual insults.

As for my own painting, prefer pots and use a wet pallet. Take the paint out with a cone tip paint shapper so I don't waste any in the brush. Find that the easiest to control.

Slightly off top, but has anyone tried the Secret Weapon washes yet? Curious how they compare to GW washes.

I'm surprised at all the GW large dry-brush hate. Why don't you use it instead of just freaking crying over nothing and talking about something you've never even given a chance It's a great brush. Easy to clean, nice strong handle, not too long. It's my favorite brush for everything that covers a large area. Anyone who has a problem with it obviously isn't using it the correct way, which is drybrushing.

Get with the times. You can buy a brush like that at any art store for chicken feed prices.

Anyway.


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EldarN00b wrote:I hope like fething hell they go dropper and finer pigment so I can actually airbrush detail with the paints.

Because that's totally useful for everyone, right? You can't just add water and shake like everyone else?

Making them thin would be a mistake. Here's some logic:

If they keep them thick, people who paint out of the pot can still paint the way they used to, and people who airbrush can just freaking add water and keep complaining.

If they make them thinner, people who paint out of the pot will stop using GW pots and go elsewhere, while airbrushers will keep using vallejo, because GW will make them too expensive to consider.

Same thing with dropper bottles.

Sidstyler wrote:Dropper bottles are the reason I switched to Vallejo. More precise mixing and less risk of losing a hundred bucks or more worth of paint from having it dry out too quickly.

Isn't it great to have that kind of choice? The reason I continue to use GW paints is because they don't use a dropper.

GW & Vallejo are the two brands I consistently see at game & hobby shops (and they have the biggest selections of paints). It would be a damned shame if both used droppers- the ability you and I have to make a choice as to how we paint our figures would be gone.

Acrylic paint is acrylic paint is...

I get the vast majority of mine in craft shops and stationery shops, even supermarkets. I only buy GW when I have to get a specific colour for something.

I prefer artists' acrylics in tubes, it tends to be thicker and needs watering but it avoids the pathetic watery nature of many GW paints. It is also extremely cheap in comparison. My favourite metallics are WHSmith's metallics, containing gold, silver, bronze and copper 12ml tubes for about £2.99 or so. All thick artist's colours so stretch further than GW watery-ness.

You can get buckets of black and white plus basic colours for a fraction of the GW prices at any craft store. I reckon you could easily get 500ml or so for £10 if you go to the right place, all artists's quality, so probably about 40+ times the quantity for 4x the price.

Plus craft stores also stocks loads of interesting additional metallics, like Christmas style red metallics, flourescent paints, textured, etc. All these are very reasonably priced.

Avoids much of this agonising over GW pots!

Isengard wrote:Acrylic paint is acrylic paint is...

I get the vast majority of mine in craft shops and stationery shops, even supermarkets. I only buy GW when I have to get a specific colour for something.

I prefer artists' acrylics in tubes, it tends to be thicker and needs watering but it avoids the pathetic watery nature of many GW paints. It is also extremely cheap in comparison. My favourite metallics are WHSmith's metallics, containing gold, silver, bronze and copper 12ml tubes for about £2.99 or so. All thick artist's colours so stretch further than GW watery-ness.

You can get buckets of black and white plus basic colours for a fraction of the GW prices at any craft store. I reckon you could easily get 500ml or so for £10 if you go to the right place, all artists's quality, so probably about 40+ times the quantity for 4x the price.

Plus craft stores also stocks loads of interesting additional metallics, like Christmas style red metallics, flourescent paints, textured, etc. All these are very reasonably priced.

Avoids much of this agonising over GW pots!

I always wondered if that would work. A friend of mine bought a bunch of cheap acrylic paint at Pat Catans and it didn't work so well for him, but maybe it was just him. It seamed like the pigment was not as fine and dried kind of powdery.

The main problems I've found with using non-hobby paints (be it GW or otherwise) is that 1: They take a lot, lot longer to dry. 2: They rub off if uncoated.

I've primarily been buying tubs of cheap black and white, using them mixed with water as an undercoat and the for mixing colours (lightening / darkening).

When using it neat however, I need to leave it at least 40-50 minutes to dry, and then I need to apply the base colour straight away otherwise even picking it up rubs off the paint.

But for mixing it's been fantastic.