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Brother Coa wrote:And the most important question of them all:

Why the hell would Space Marine fighting SPARTANS?
They are both fighting for Mankind survival, they are in fact brothers in arms.
And brothers in arms are brothers for life.
So they should be side by side, fighting off the alien menace. Not battling against each other just for our amusement.

You'd think so, but in the depravity of the far future, nothing is out of reach as far as blood-sports are concerned. Man, I love me some blood-sports.

Brother Coa wrote:And the most important question of them all:

Why the hell would Space Marine fighting SPARTANS?
They are both fighting for Mankind survival, they are in fact brothers in arms.
And brothers in arms are brothers for life.
So they should be side by side, fighting off the alien menace. Not battling against each other just for our amusement.

Idk the romans did it and so do boxers/mma fighters. Real question is what happens when the ninja turtles get here with the battle toads..

Draigo wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:And the most important question of them all:

Why the hell would Space Marine fighting SPARTANS?
They are both fighting for Mankind survival, they are in fact brothers in arms.
And brothers in arms are brothers for life.
So they should be side by side, fighting off the alien menace. Not battling against each other just for our amusement.

Idk the romans did it and so do boxers/mma fighters. Real question is what happens when the ninja turtles get here with the battle toads..

Or when an ogryn decides to wipe his butt with a spartan

You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

Or Master Chief would kill all the Ethereals and convince the Kroot to fight with UNSC

Seriously, Master Chief has bigger plot armor then entire Ultramarines Chapter x3.

They are tougher than a marine because that helps to represent the nature of their armour, physiology, and regenerative shield units.

They would have move through cover because, you know, they can move through cover.

To say stormtroopers are better trained is simply betraying your ignrance on the matter. Better to keep yer yap shut.

Kaldor wrote:They are tougher than a marine because that helps to represent the nature of their armour, physiology, and regenerative shield units.

This is wrong.

To say stormtroopers are better trained is simply betraying your ignrance on the matter. Better to keep yer yap shut.

This is also wrong, ODST are HALO equivalent to Imperium Stormtroopers. SPARTANS have more genetic enchantments then Stormtroopers to be said that they are the same.

For this debate which is rather funny to watch is it really and I cant believe Im saying this, but is it fair to compare master chief to a general space marine? Wouldnt that be like comparing mephiston or some fluff armor nut to a regular unknown guy? I mean the unknown guys never have the fluff armor to fight named people. If you compared them named guy to named guy or random spartan to random marine.. Cause then itd be funny to watch mephiston eat master chief.. lol

Kaldor wrote:They are tougher than a marine because that helps to represent the nature of their armour, physiology, and regenerative shield units.

They would have move through cover because, you know, they can move through cover.

To say stormtroopers are better trained is simply betraying your ignrance on the matter. Better to keep yer yap shut.

The nature of their armours is light armour, the kind a skirmisher would wear, because that is all they can do. Have you ever played firefight will the number of enemies edited way up? his armour doesn't do gak.

Their physiology is WAY inferior to space marines, they don't have anywhere near the redundancy or even the amount of circulation and oxygen intake. Also, marines are immune to all conventional poisons. They are SLIGHTLY tougher than a human, but much, much less so than an ork.

They wouldn't have move through cover because guess what? They can't. They aren't like certain ghostly necron units or mandrakes that can phase out, they aren't like avatars that can basically eat buildings. In fact, in the game whenever they fall a few dozen feet or land in water higher than their waist they die right away.

It really isn't, and in fact it is likely I have read more Halo than you, having read every novel and many of the comics as well as having played all the games. All you're demonstrating is an ignorance of the abilities of stormtroopers. Have you read Imperial Glory? Blank the stromtrooper is holding off an ork horde by himself for a fair amount of time, alters a standard vox enough to give it range to call in navy bombardment and clears whole buildings of enemies, without being like a spartans hiding and taking pot shots and letting their shield recharge.


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Draigo wrote:For this debate which is rather funny to watch is it really and I cant believe Im saying this, but is it fair to compare master chief to a general space marine? Wouldnt that be like comparing mephiston or some fluff armor nut to a regular unknown guy? I mean the unknown guys never have the fluff armor to fight named people. If you compared them named guy to named guy or random spartan to random marine.. Cause then itd be funny to watch mephiston eat master chief.. lol

Mephiston wouldn't even need to fight, he could just pop him with his mind. Vortex of doom?

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

The flood is spread much further than the humans or any covenant space, perhaps the whole of the milky way.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

The flood is spread much further than the humans or any covenant space, perhaps the whole of the milky way.

No, it needs sentient life to thrive, which would limit it to the covenant and humans.

EIther way, Tyranids>flood.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

The flood is spread much further than the humans or any covenant space, perhaps the whole of the milky way.

No, it needs sentient life to thrive, which would limit it to the covenant and humans.

EIther way, Tyranids>flood.

There is implied that there is more sentient life in the galaxy than humans and covenant, as both factions combined had access to less than 1/2 of an arm of the milky way.

If we are the only sentient life in the galaxy, then it is pretty much fethed.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

The flood is spread much further than the humans or any covenant space, perhaps the whole of the milky way.

No, it needs sentient life to thrive, which would limit it to the covenant and humans.

EIther way, Tyranids>flood.

There is implied that there is more sentient life in the galaxy than humans and covenant, as both factions combined had access to less than 1/2 of an arm of the milky way.

Noting implied more sentient life. In fact, it seems to have been implied that there is absolutely NONE.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

The flood is spread much further than the humans or any covenant space, perhaps the whole of the milky way.

No, it needs sentient life to thrive, which would limit it to the covenant and humans.

EIther way, Tyranids>flood.

There is implied that there is more sentient life in the galaxy than humans and covenant, as both factions combined had access to less than 1/2 of an arm of the milky way.

Noting implied more sentient life. In fact, it seems to have been implied that there is absolutely NONE.

The Halo weapons killed all sentient life eaons ago. Humans and Covies had time to develop, why not more?

DeadlySquirrel wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You think that if Astartes meet SPARTANS they wouldn't help them to kick Covenant and Flood b*** and then try to introduce them to the Emperor's teachings?

If dawn of war has anything to teach us, it's that you fight allies and enemies at the same time when you're a space marine.

Also, the entire halo universe is so tiny compared to 40k, the tau would likely be able to destroy all three factions.

The flood is spread much further than the humans or any covenant space, perhaps the whole of the milky way.

No, it needs sentient life to thrive, which would limit it to the covenant and humans.

EIther way, Tyranids>flood.

There is implied that there is more sentient life in the galaxy than humans and covenant, as both factions combined had access to less than 1/2 of an arm of the milky way.

Noting implied more sentient life. In fact, it seems to have been implied that there is absolutely NONE.

The Halo weapons killed all sentient life eaons ago. Humans and Covies had time to develop, why not more?

Every single sentient life form we have seen other than humans and covies in the Halo Universe is extinct/gone (both the forerunners and the precursors) So there seems to be a high turnover rate for societies thereabouts.

This thread is now ridiculous.

On one hand, you have people claiming that spartans can(paraphrasing here) slap missiles out of the air and perceive supersonic projectiles as if they were moving in slow-motion...yeah, no. Hell no.

Yet on the other hand, people seem to be seriously underestimating how dangerous spartans are as combatants.

Where are the sensible points?!

Ronin-Sage wrote:This thread is now ridiculous.

On one hand, you have people claiming that spartans can(paraphrasing here) slap missiles out of the air and perceive supersonic projectiles as if they were moving in slow-motion...yeah, no. Hell no.

Yet on the other hand, people seem to be seriously underestimating how dangerous spartans are as combatants.

Where are the sensible points?!

Spartans definitely could kill many normal humans they simply don't have weaponry for dealing with marines.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:This thread is now ridiculous.

On one hand, you have people claiming that spartans can(paraphrasing here) slap missiles out of the air and perceive supersonic projectiles as if they were moving in slow-motion...yeah, no. Hell no.

Yet on the other hand, people seem to be seriously underestimating how dangerous spartans are as combatants.

Where are the sensible points?!

Spartans definitely could kill many normal humans they simply don't have weaponry for dealing with marines.

Right, I wasn't arguing that spartans could ultimately win a struggle against a SM.

I think their main problem would be penetrating the marine's armor, assuming we're talking about whatever UNSC rifle they use vs. non-special mk VII plate. Although I might be underestimating the potency of the UNSC weapon systems.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CARE BEARS!

The tech difference would be to great for the Spartan to handle. A bolter will punch through spartan armor or at least cause enough damage from impact to flat out ruin the Spartans day. A Chainsword will tear a spartan in half, flat out, no arguments there. Imperial plasma tech is more dangerous, but a space marine usually knows what hes doing well enough to keep it from exploding all over himself. The lascannon outdoes the spartan laser by a mile. And the space marines hundreds of years of experience over the spartan will play in as well.

Ronin-Sage wrote:This thread is now ridiculous.

On one hand, you have people claiming that spartans can(paraphrasing here) slap missiles out of the air and perceive supersonic projectiles as if they were moving in slow-motion...yeah, no. Hell no.

Yet on the other hand, people seem to be seriously underestimating how dangerous spartans are as combatants.

Where are the sensible points?!

There actually was a bit in one of the Halo books where Master Chief slaps a missile out of the air.

Coolyo294 wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:This thread is now ridiculous.

On one hand, you have people claiming that spartans can(paraphrasing here) slap missiles out of the air and perceive supersonic projectiles as if they were moving in slow-motion...yeah, no. Hell no.

Yet on the other hand, people seem to be seriously underestimating how dangerous spartans are as combatants.

Where are the sensible points?!

There actually was a bit in one of the Halo books where Master Chief slaps a missile out of the air.

I'm sure there was, but I'm going to selectively discount that because:

A) It doesn't make sense
B) It's Master Chief, and it doesn't seem like the average spartan would be as awesome as he is
C) It's hyper-heroics at play, where the hero has to be badder than badass(Kaldor-fracking-Draigo, anyone?)

(no offense to you, at all)

The Chief managed to survive entering the Earth's atmosphere and hitting the impact... Surely he could survive a bolter round or several...

DeadlySquirrel wrote:The Chief managed to survive entering the Earth's atmosphere and hitting the impact... Surely he could survive a bolter round or several...

Dunno...it seems like if a bolt round explodes in your torso, you're basically screwed, spartan or space marine.

Ronin-Sage wrote:

DeadlySquirrel wrote:The Chief managed to survive entering the Earth's atmosphere and hitting the impact... Surely he could survive a bolter round or several...

Dunno...it seems like if a bolt round explodes in your torso, you're basically screwed, spartan or space marine.

If the armour can survive the forces of re-entry and impact, I doubt it could penetrate it.

Ronin-Sage wrote:
B) It's Master Chief, and it doesn't seem like the average spartan would be as awesome as he is

I just want to break down this one point. Master Chief, while the other Spartans were alive, was "average" at best, where the other Spartans had cooler abilities that seemed more useful (speed, accuracy, etc.) Master Chief was "lucky" this is why he is "better" than the others. Any of the Spartans COULD have done what he did, but it was his destiny (plot-armor) that lead him to be considered a hero, he is not smarter, stronger or better than an average Spartan in any way, he is simply "lucky" and destined to succeed. It's impossible to compare him to any SM because no SM has the luck/ plot armor to defeat the kind of enemy that he did (almost) single-handed.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:
B) It's Master Chief, and it doesn't seem like the average spartan would be as awesome as he is

I just want to break down this one point. Master Chief, while the other Spartans were alive, was "average" at best, where the other Spartans had cooler abilities that seemed more useful (speed, accuracy, etc.) Master Chief was "lucky" this is why he is "better" than the others. Any of the Spartans COULD have done what he did, but it was his destiny (plot-armor) that lead him to be considered a hero, he is not smarter, stronger or better than an average Spartan in any way, he is simply "lucky" and destined to succeed. It's impossible to compare him to any SM because no SM has the luck/ plot armor to defeat the kind of enemy that he did (almost) single-handed.

Good point.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:
B) It's Master Chief, and it doesn't seem like the average spartan would be as awesome as he is

I just want to break down this one point. Master Chief, while the other Spartans were alive, was "average" at best, where the other Spartans had cooler abilities that seemed more useful (speed, accuracy, etc.) Master Chief was "lucky" this is why he is "better" than the others. Any of the Spartans COULD have done what he did, but it was his destiny (plot-armor) that lead him to be considered a hero, he is not smarter, stronger or better than an average Spartan in any way, he is simply "lucky" and destined to succeed. It's impossible to compare him to any SM because no SM has the luck/ plot armor to defeat the kind of enemy that he did (almost) single-handed.

Are you implying that John has more plot-armour than Draigo?

And IIRC, John had extra training and modifications to allow him to carry Cortana. Afterall, he has a ship's AI in him to protect.