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No stick with the 16. 40 is just too much

Just do Top 16, that takes a while in itself.

DarthSpader wrote:randall... the battles i ran the MSS did go off, problem was the attack roll was a 1, and alot failed to wound. the tyrant player also got a fairley good roll with his LD on those as well. there was a rather impressive streak of 1's and 2's when it came time for the MSS. - when it actually did work, it worked very well. but i only really mentioned it if it inflicted anything significant in the fight.

as mentioned, i kind of agree with the overlord outclassing the tyrant, but the votes spoke, and it would be a kick in the pants to the near 60 people who voted the way of the tyrant.

in any case.... moved on.

Just want to point out here, that MSS causes D3 Hits, you don't roll to hit. If that's what I'm understanding what you mean from "Attack Roll"


Anyway, All of the Necron Special Characters would fare pretty poorly in 1 on 1 combat.

Swarmlord should make it in.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
EDIT: You're also missing Anval Thawn, who along with Saint Celestine is unbeatable in this contest, seeing as they'll just keep reincarnating. The only SC that could arguably win is Zogwort, what with his squig-shenanigans.

Actually Zogwort vs Thawn/Celestine would end in a draw, due to the everyone getting bogged down in a rules dispute That or in bloodshed.

Wait I just noticed that the people who joined late are at a huge disadvantage. Like theres no real chance for Thawn to lose in most of these matches, but hes in last because he was so recently added in

Perhaps. But we got most entrants in before the weekend, and have untill weds for them to get votes. Alas, with close to 40 entrants and only 16 spots, many will be disappoint that there fav character didn't make it.

That's why I was suggesting a second 16 entrant pool. That way 32 of the 40+ get in. That would make the whole thing take longer, but would allow most characters at least a chance.

Lysander only has that many votes? I am in shock.

Whoops! voted for ghazgkull, and then realised that the sanguinor was there too.
I can has renomination for both of them?

the poll has multiple voting enabled, so you can choose more then 1.... preferablly your choice for the 16 to make it into the campaign.

ok so with 2 days left in the nomination voting here are the current ones making it in.

the seeding so far: (not exact seeding, just ranked 1-16)

1. Ghazskull – 53
2. Abbadon – 40
3. Swarmlord - 38
4. Kharn –35
5. Draigo – 35
6. Vect - 32
7. Mephiston – 31
8. Eldrad – 27
9. Calgar – 25
10. Logan Grimnar – 24
11. Celestine – 20
12. Imotekh – 19
13. Skarbrand – 17
14. Fateweaver – 16
15. Old one eye, Old zogwort, Lysander – 15
16. The Sanguinor - 14

now, since we have a 3 way tie for the 15th spot, that probally means Sanguinor wont make it in, unless he has a good rise in the votes. of the 3 that are tied (old one eye, zogwort and lysander), 2 of them will make it in. we also have a tie in 4th spot between kharn and Draigo, wich may also affect lower seeds.

finally, Huron Blackheart, Skull taker, Njal, Ragnar, Grimaldus, Yriel, The Duke, and Dante are all fairley close with 10 or more votes... so any increase in there numbers might see them in. the rest of the entrants all look to be less then 10 votes, and thus im afraid will have a hard time making it in.

in the result of a tie for any posistion, a "wildcard" vote off will determine the final spots, and be the tie breaker. the seeding order will determine who fights who, so dont stop voting for your favs, even if they already have a ton.

i can't seem to multi-vote?

^
Me too...

the poll is set to "allow multiple choice answers" - however i think if you vote and submit your done. only way around that i think is to make a second account.... although i think that may be against the rules of the forum. if it is definitly dont do that. i dont want anyone getting in trouble for this.

- however if you are having issues voting, submit your vote via PM and i will add it to the count at the end.

DarthSpader wrote:the poll is set to "allow multiple choice answers" - however i think if you vote and submit your done. only way around that i think is to make a second account.... although i think that may be against the rules of the forum. if it is definitly dont do that. i dont want anyone getting in trouble for this.

- however if you are having issues voting, submit your vote via PM and i will add it to the count at the end.

Also apparently siblings (under the same roof) can't vote once one has voted. That was a turn off for my bros.

are you guys using the same account? if not, maybe its something to do with how dakka handles accounts and IP addresses.... talk to the mods on that one. but i feel for ya. have them submit via PM and ill get them counted.

I see no Bloodthirsters, Keeper of Secrets, GUO, but I see a Fateweaver. Why? Also, why not just put em all in there, Horus, The Emperor, Khorne, ect.

DemetriDominov wrote:I see no Bloodthirsters, Keeper of Secrets, GUO, but I see a Fateweaver. Why? Also, why not just put em all in there, Horus, The Emperor, Khorne, ect.

It's the SC list - eg only Special Characters. I believe they already did a vanilla IC face off.

As much as I love Crons, I have to agree with Sasori; Cron SCs aren't great at CC, they're all designed to support their army. The only way these guys beat anyone in the fluff is by instantly healing every single time they get touched and then eventually getting lucky. This is very silly, but we all know to blame our Spiritual Liege for this. Meh, whatever, go Imotekh!


Edit: Oh btw, do FW characters count? Do we get to see An'ggrath stomp everyone? If so I nominate An'ggrath!

Varguard Obeyron could do something...

The Crusader wrote:Varguard Obeyron could do something...

Sadly, not with I2 and no invul save he can't. He gets stomped by most SCs. I use him to teleport around the field with Warriors to cause havoc, but I keep him away from most SCs. He dies before he gets a chance to use that nifty counter attack rule of his. Love him though.

I also fear with less then a day left, any nominations will probally not make it in, given the level of votes so far. :(

final rankings posted, pools determined, and first battle qued up.

debate for the first round opens now.

OOE just barely got edged out :(

Jesus H. Tap-dancing Christ, Grimaldus made it in! He actually made it.

Oh. He's against Failaddon. .

Still, might snatch victory from the jaws of defeat...

It was as of this morning a 4 way tie for the last spot at 21 votes. Grimaldus and old one eye pulled ahead, and Grimaldus just barley. Squeaked in. Gotta love the closeness of that. Its also kind of interesting to see how. The votes lined up. Very clearly people voted for alot of characters from there favorite armies, guard in particular.

In the mean time

GHAZSKULL vrs FATEWEAVER

Thoughts? I don't really know how Fateweaver does in 40k, but his 7th Ed fantasy version kicks serious butt. I've used ghazi ya few times in games, and he is a beast, so... Ghaz has the 2++ when he charges/ wagghhss... And a ton of str 10 attacks.... Vrs a mc with 4+ invun I think? How's the WS compare? Can FW pull any tricks or other moves to win at range?

What! Sanguinor vs Mephiston how am I supposed to vote for that!

It seems like an easy call - Ghazghull has better stats all around. More attacks, same toughness, higher WS, more wounds, higher strength...and I'm actually going to give this one to Fateweaver.

DarthSpader wrote:Vrs a mc with 4+ invun I think?

Fateweaver has a 3+ invul that he can reroll if he fails. Ghaz needs to deal an average of 9 wounds to get 1 through. Being a Daemon, Fateweaver also has Eternal Warrior.

Neither character is good at killing the other. Ghazghull would need roughly 9 rounds to kill Fateweaver, assuming Fateweaver passes all of his Ld checks (likely to pass). Fateweaver needs 8 rounds to kill Ghazghull, outside of his two 2++ turns (assuming he deals 0 wounds during those two turns - Ghaz can still roll a 1). So basically 9-10 rounds for each character to kill the other...plus Fateweaver hits first in every round. Plus Fateweaver has better shooting. Plus he can fly.

The main reason, however, I'm going with Fateweaver is just because of Boon of Mutation. A 6 always fails the toughness test and with the fight going on for 9-10 rounds, Ghazghull has 4 or 5 chances to roll that 6. For those who don't know, Fateweaver can force Ghazghull to take a Toughness test every game turn. If he fails, he's removed as a casualty. No saves. No Eternal Warrior. It can be used in combat.

TBH I'm not sure we should be including Celestine; again, no one who isn't Zogwort can win.

Siphen wrote:It seems like an easy call - Ghazghull has better stats all around. More attacks, same toughness, higher WS, more wounds, higher strength...and I'm actually going to give this one to Fateweaver.

DarthSpader wrote:Vrs a mc with 4+ invun I think?

Fateweaver has a 3+ invul that he can reroll if he fails. Ghaz needs to deal an average of 9 wounds to get 1 through. Being a Daemon, Fateweaver also has Eternal Warrior.

Neither character is good at killing the other. Ghazghull would need roughly 9 rounds to kill Fateweaver, assuming Fateweaver passes all of his Ld checks (likely to pass). Fateweaver needs 8 rounds to kill Ghazghull, outside of his two 2++ turns (assuming he deals 0 wounds during those two turns - Ghaz can still roll a 1). So basically 9-10 rounds for each character to kill the other...plus Fateweaver hits first in every round. Plus Fateweaver has better shooting. Plus he can fly.

The main reason, however, I'm going with Fateweaver is just because of Boon of Mutation. A 6 always fails the toughness test and with the fight going on for 9-10 rounds, Ghazghull has 4 or 5 chances to roll that 6. For those who don't know, Fateweaver can force Ghazghull to take a Toughness test every game turn. If he fails, he's removed as a casualty. No saves. No Eternal Warrior. It can be used in combat.

Couldn't say it better myself. Kairos Fateweaver FTW

ghaz vs fatereaver... assuming ghaz got the charge then shaz. assumign faterreaver got the charge... fatereaver

in reality they are still locked in combat a tthe end of urn 6 barring some very unlicky rolls on either side

basically comes down to the charge, those extra 2 attacks n the charge just slightly tilt it to ghaz if i'm calculating it right. and asuming he waaagh'ed for the 6 inch charge and fleet he should be the one getting the charge

either way this is two characters who would easily flatten almsot 90% of the list against eachother turn 1.... why?