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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/14 13:13:30
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Hahaha Biccat, corpses and answering questions. Hehe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/14 13:27:43
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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biccat wrote:Tadashi wrote:...which reports directly to the Emperor did nothing...
Corpses are well known for being nonresponsive when you ask them questions.
Inquisitor Draco begs to differ. The Emperor communicates telepathically, duh.
Tadashi wrote:Sounds a lot like the Emperor approved...
How'd that go with the Word Bearers?
And I wonder how the Sisters' audience went...hmmm, if I remember correctly, they didn't get reprimanded for essentially being zealots by the Emperor. Monarchia was during the Great Crusade when the Imperial Truth still stood a chance of working. But with the events of the Horus Heresy, the Imperial Truth has absolutely no chance of working. Even the Astartes can barely keep it up; the only thing that could have filled the vacuum apart from the Ecclesiarchy is Chaos. Obviously, a lesser evil was chosen.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/14 20:42:33
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Most mock worthy is Lorgar. What a kiss ass!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/14 22:22:12
Subject: Re:Most mock-worthy primarch?
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GimbleMuggernaught wrote:I'm going to give what may be a rather controversial opinion: Sanguinius.
When he beamed up to Horus' battle barge and fought him, he didn't just die. He got mangled. So much so that Horus was able to kill him off and then almost immediately fight the most powerful warrior ever seen and STILL almost beat him. Now sure, Horus may have been glutted on the power of the chaos gods, however, if Sanguinius is really the ferocious fighter that everyone makes him out to be, I think that he would have at least slowed Horus down a bit. I have a hard time believing that a primarch would be able to easily slay another primarch unless the other one was a total chump.
I could agree about Sanguinius, but for a different reason.
Sanquinius is portrayed as the this, that, and the other of awesomesauce, yet his chapter/legion whatever you all call it are pretty much the exact opposite of everything he is portrayed to be. Bloodthirsty lunitic vampires that go crazy and need to be locked into their rooms. At least most chapters seem to follow the attitudes and skill sets of their primarchs, but the BA of now are very different than how Sanguinius is presented. You can only laugh at such utter failure as a father figure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 02:35:45
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Reasons for each primarch being mock worthy
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Angrom- just for being a pissed of teenager all the time
Alpharius and omegron - for not being able to have a straight face to face fight
Konrad curze _- allowing a human to kill him
Lorgar for being so immature
Fulgrim for being possesed by a daemon
Horus - for being a wuss at the end of his life and also always being a show off
Peturbo- well I can't think of anything for him please feel free to throw something in here
Mortarion- for being so dramatic at the conclaveof nikea
Magnus for allowing his homeworld to be burnt and then at the last moment when all the damages has been done deciding he wants a piece of russ and then losing
Guilliman splitting all loyalist legions down into chapters futher weakening humanites defenders even further
Russ for being so gullible and for being so easily duped and then running off into the warp
Ferrus manus for being beaten by a prissy little wuss like fulgrim (who if you gave a slap to would probably cry that you ruined his make-up)
Vulkan for just upping and leaving his legion for no good reason
Dorn for being so strategically over rated and leaving the palace to get blown up(or part of it)
Jaghatai khan for running after dark eldar and as a result getting lost
Sanguinius for trying to talk A quite clearly insane warmaster from his path
Lion for being beaten by a human when he was fighting a. human (who was possesed) at full power with no handicaps and losing Automatically Appended Next Post: Blatantly when horus and sanguinius spoke to each other horus was like
'join the side of chaos we have cookies'
sanguinius 'horus you know I've always been a cake person you done this at my birthday party brought me a giant cookie instead of a cake.' '
Horus 'ahave one of my cookies I just baked them'
sanguinius 'no I don't like cookies'
horus. 'YOU DON'T LIKE COOKIES DIE'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 04:01:48
Subject: Re:Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Jayden63 wrote:GimbleMuggernaught wrote:I'm going to give what may be a rather controversial opinion: Sanguinius.
When he beamed up to Horus' battle barge and fought him, he didn't just die. He got mangled. So much so that Horus was able to kill him off and then almost immediately fight the most powerful warrior ever seen and STILL almost beat him. Now sure, Horus may have been glutted on the power of the chaos gods, however, if Sanguinius is really the ferocious fighter that everyone makes him out to be, I think that he would have at least slowed Horus down a bit. I have a hard time believing that a primarch would be able to easily slay another primarch unless the other one was a total chump.
I could agree about Sanguinius, but for a different reason.
Sanquinius is portrayed as the this, that, and the other of awesomesauce, yet his chapter/legion whatever you all call it are pretty much the exact opposite of everything he is portrayed to be. Bloodthirsty lunitic vampires that go crazy and need to be locked into their rooms. At least most chapters seem to follow the attitudes and skill sets of their primarchs, but the BA of now are very different than how Sanguinius is presented. You can only laugh at such utter failure as a father figure.
They go into rage because they have visions of Sanguinius getting mauled by Horus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 07:35:54
Subject: Re:Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Jayden63 wrote:GimbleMuggernaught wrote:I'm going to give what may be a rather controversial opinion: Sanguinius.
When he beamed up to Horus' battle barge and fought him, he didn't just die. He got mangled. So much so that Horus was able to kill him off and then almost immediately fight the most powerful warrior ever seen and STILL almost beat him. Now sure, Horus may have been glutted on the power of the chaos gods, however, if Sanguinius is really the ferocious fighter that everyone makes him out to be, I think that he would have at least slowed Horus down a bit. I have a hard time believing that a primarch would be able to easily slay another primarch unless the other one was a total chump.
I could agree about Sanguinius, but for a different reason.
Sanquinius is portrayed as the this, that, and the other of awesomesauce, yet his chapter/legion whatever you all call it are pretty much the exact opposite of everything he is portrayed to be. Bloodthirsty lunitic vampires that go crazy and need to be locked into their rooms. At least most chapters seem to follow the attitudes and skill sets of their primarchs, but the BA of now are very different than how Sanguinius is presented. You can only laugh at such utter failure as a father figure.
You could argue though that he had nothing to do with their craziness. It's kinda something that happened after his time, though I suppose his gene-seed could be blamed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 12:28:51
Subject: Re:Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Bobthehero wrote:They go into rage because they have visions of Sanguinius getting mauled by Horus.
Funny, that always brings a smile to my face.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 12:40:55
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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The only thing Sanguinius could have done to prevent the Blood Angels current problems is not die. Don't forget that they went berserk when he was knocked unconscious by Ka'Bandha on Signus Prime too. For whatever reason the Blood Angels all have/had close psychic ties to their primarch and it seems that his presence regulated their flaws.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 13:55:22
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Ultimately, even though all of the primarchs had their flaws (as they were supposed to. They were humans turned up to eleven, not the whole Superman, the-best-we-have-to-offer that people mistake them for), my prize goes to Russ, since he happens to hold all of the flaws that get my goat; unthinking, often self-contradictory superstition, blind loyalty, a fratboy-like lifestyle and demeanor, and childish, idiotic impulsiveness.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 15:08:29
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Seriously, Lorgar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 17:52:01
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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You forgot that Guilliman also got cut down by Fulgrim (who also exorcised himself)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/15 22:54:17
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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King Pariah wrote:
You forgot that Guilliman also got cut down by Fulgrim (who also exorcised himself)
I've read about that, but I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt - for every truth a daemon speaks nine lies.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 02:00:32
Subject: Re:Most mock-worthy primarch?
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GimbleMuggernaught wrote:I have a hard time believing that a primarch would be able to easily slay another primarch unless the other one was a total chump.
Horus was empowered by all four of the great Ruinous Powers. No Primarch would have stood a change against a Primarch so strengthened, let alone one who had been fighting almost non-stop for three days. There was only one way that fight could have gone down.
Jayden63 wrote:At least most chapters seem to follow the attitudes and skill sets of their primarchs, but the BA of now are very different than how Sanguinius is presented.
Actually, they aren't that dissimilar. Sanguinius always had to fight against his inner rage to stop it from controlling him. He was brutal in combat. The Blood Angel curse doesn't really have anything to do with Sanguinius could have stopped, since it is gene-seed based. Basically, like Sanguinius they have to fight against overwhelming anger, but unlike Sanguinius, not all of them are able to resist it forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 02:27:54
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Im gonna go with the obvious and over used answer of Rawbutt Girlyman.
That names french right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 04:19:54
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Dorn, well, he's...he's ROGAL he is.
Man that name is just...what kind of mouldering name IS that?
hey, not very many people have said Khan is bad.
LOL Rawbutt Girlyman....makes every space marine read a book likes it's the Bible or something (not trying to insult anyone)
Angron goes for bad name too, but when the Emprah found him he was already pissed at the death of his gladiator buddies, so I have no idea what point I am trying to make.
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Seeing a squad of veterens swoop in in a Vendetta, secure the area, deliver that math assignment, and extract within 2 minutes would be freaking sweet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 05:44:35
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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I actually think Khan is the worst. I can't think of anything he accomplished other than being a stupid Mongol knock-off and getting lost in Comorragh. Also his chapter is way into bikes and IMO Space Marines on bikes just looks...wrong. Only the Ravenwing and some CSM's pull it off I think.
Russ is a close 2nd but at least he did things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 06:18:46
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asimo77 wrote:I actually think Khan is the worst. I can't think of anything he accomplished other than being a stupid Mongol knock-off and getting lost in Comorragh.
While he doesn't have much background, he was crucial in the defence of Terra during the Horus Heresy. The whole seizing one of the two spaceports delayed the Chaos forces sufficiently for what occurred to play out. Without him, Terra would have fallen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 13:39:58
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biccat wrote:Veteran Sergeant wrote:[Guilliman] simply was one of the most intelligent primarchs, and was able to see the Emperor's vision, embrace it, and further it. Once the Emperor was gone, he was somewhat lost as what to do after putting the Imperium back together.
Really? The current Imperium is according to the Emperor's vision? Have you read the Horus Heresy books
Obviously you, and the poster above you, are terribly, terribly confused about the concept I'm laying down.
The state of the current Imperium is the fault of inept human leadership, not Guilliman. If Guilliman had been able to realize that his place was as the new Emperor, and not back with the Ultramarines, the Imperium would have been a different place today. Or at least a different place for as long as whatever a primarch's natural life span is. He would have prevented the rise of the Ecclesiarchy, created a more efficient Administratum in the model of Ultramar, etc. But, he didn't. Guilliman took charge, reconquered the galaxy, set up a new government, codified a bunch of things... But then he stepped down from the High Lords and went back to being a general. It was at that point that the Imperium changed. Guilliman thought his place was fighting humanity's battles, not leading it. That was probably all that he ever understood from the Emperor, because the Emperor never told his primarch sons what his ultimate goals were. It's part of what Chaos used to turn Horus.
The problem with the Imperium is that in the absence of a single strong leader, it was destined for corruption. Honestly, we have an incredibly fluff problem here, because we have been told that Guilliman was an administrative genius, and yet the fluff written before that already laid out an Imperium that was run by corrupt humans in an expansive bureaucracy. So it creates a bit of a fluff disconnect that we have to adapt to. Logically, Guilliman should have taken over as Emperor. It makes sense that he would have done so because he was the best suited for the job, and, honestly, probably the only primarch other than Dorn who would have been willing to. Can't imagine Russ or Corax or Khan having any interest in that gig, nor any talent for it. Guilliman and Dorn would have done it out of a sense of duty. However, Dorn was off playing crusader and hide-and-seek on a space hulk still while Guilliman was laying out all of the new rules .
So, despite the fact that logically Guilliman should have been Emperor II, because the fluff says that Guilliman stepped down and went back to the Ultramarines, we have to come up with some kind of rationale for it. The only one that seems feasible is that because the Emperor had decreed that the primarchs were to fight humanity's battles, Guilliman believed that he was not supposed to rule humanity. It really doesn't make any sense, but it's what we have to work with. However, blaming the current state of 40K on Guilliman "not understanding the Emperor's vision" is idiotic. The decline of the Imperium is due to the inefficiency of the Administratum and Imperial Guard, as well as the corruption of the Ecclesiarchy that has evolved over 10,000 years. It has nothing to do with anything Guilliman did. Automatically Appended Next Post: Decio wrote:LOL Rawbutt Girlyman....makes every space marine read a book likes it's the Bible or something (not trying to insult anyone)
You do realize that all the greatest warfighters in modern times, all the greatest generals, have read countless books on warfare in the process of becoming better generals. Several of history's greatest generals wrote those books.
The Codex Astartes isn't just "a book". It's the book on warfare. Like taking all of the greatest military tomes in history, and combining them together. For compiling the Codex Astartes, Guilliman should be referred to with the same tone as we would Sun Tzu, or Clausewitz, etc. If you're going to make fun of Guilliman for compiling the Codex, or you honestly believe that there's nothing to be gained from treatises on warfighting and that modern soldiers don't read, it's pretty obvious you don't have a single clue about fighting wars or combat, or anything, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/16 13:55:24
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:biccat wrote:Veteran Sergeant wrote:[Guilliman] simply was one of the most intelligent primarchs, and was able to see the Emperor's vision, embrace it, and further it. Once the Emperor was gone, he was somewhat lost as what to do after putting the Imperium back together.
Really? The current Imperium is according to the Emperor's vision? Have you read the Horus Heresy books
Obviously you, and the poster above you, are terribly, terribly confused about the concept I'm laying down. The state of the current Imperium is the fault of inept human leadership, not Guilliman. If Guilliman had been able to realize that his place was as the new Emperor, and not back with the Ultramarines, the Imperium would have been a different place today. Or at least a different place for as long as whatever a primarch's natural life span is. He would have prevented the rise of the Ecclesiarchy, created a more efficient Administratum in the model of Ultramar, etc. But, he didn't. Guilliman took charge, reconquered the galaxy, set up a new government, codified a bunch of things... But then he stepped down from the High Lords and went back to being a general. It was at that point that the Imperium changed. Guilliman thought his place was fighting humanity's battles, not leading it. That was probably all that he ever understood from the Emperor, because the Emperor never told his primarch sons what his ultimate goals were. It's part of what Chaos used to turn Horus. The problem with the Imperium is that in the absence of a single strong leader, it was destined for corruption. Honestly, we have an incredibly fluff problem here, because we have been told that Guilliman was an administrative genius, and yet the fluff written before that already laid out an Imperium that was run by corrupt humans in an expansive bureaucracy. So it creates a bit of a fluff disconnect that we have to adapt to. Logically, Guilliman should have taken over as Emperor. It makes sense that he would have done so because he was the best suited for the job, and, honestly, probably the only primarch other than Dorn who would have been willing to. Can't imagine Russ or Corax or Khan having any interest in that gig, nor any talent for it. Guilliman and Dorn would have done it out of a sense of duty. However, Dorn was off playing crusader and hide-and-seek on a space hulk still while Guilliman was laying out all of the new rules . So, despite the fact that logically Guilliman should have been Emperor II, because the fluff says that Guilliman stepped down and went back to the Ultramarines, we have to come up with some kind of rationale for it. The only one that seems feasible is that because the Emperor had decreed that the primarchs were to fight humanity's battles, Guilliman believed that he was not supposed to rule humanity. It really doesn't make any sense, but it's what we have to work with. However, blaming the current state of 40K on Guilliman "not understanding the Emperor's vision" is idiotic. The decline of the Imperium is due to the inefficiency of the Administratum and Imperial Guard, as well as the corruption of the Ecclesiarchy that has evolved over 10,000 years. It has nothing to do with anything Guilliman did. Give it up...Ward's pretty much ruined most people's respect for the original Lord of Ultramar and the Ultramarines. Don't get me wrong though. I completely agree with what you said. If Sanguinius had lived and threw his support behind Guilliman as the new Emperor (sorry, but I can't take Emperor II seriously - I knew the man had a name, so it's really funny for a reason.  ), no one would have complained. Sanguinius would probably have been declared Warmaster to replace dead Horus. Decio wrote:LOL Rawbutt Girlyman....makes every space marine read a book likes it's the Bible or something (not trying to insult anyone)
You do realize that all the greatest warfighters in modern times, all the greatest generals, have read countless books on warfare in the process of becoming better generals. Several of history's greatest generals wrote those books. The Codex Astartes isn't just "a book". It's the book on warfare. Like taking all of the greatest military tomes in history, and combining them together. For compiling the Codex Astartes, Guilliman should be referred to with the same tone as we would Sun Tzu, or Clausewitz, etc. If you're going to make fun of Guilliman for compiling the Codex, or you honestly believe that there's nothing to be gained from treatises on warfighting and that modern soldiers don't read, it's pretty obvious you don't have a single clue about fighting wars or combat, or anything, lol. I don't think it's just a book. It's probably a big volume or a small compilation of multiple volumes at least, and a small library at most dedicated to tactics and such.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/27 20:43:20
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I agree with ^ about the codex being a collection of volumes.
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Seeing a squad of veterens swoop in in a Vendetta, secure the area, deliver that math assignment, and extract within 2 minutes would be freaking sweet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 05:22:43
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"The book" is a euphemism, not literally just one book, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 06:36:11
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Sorry, I understand that a lot of people dislike Gulliman, (and I'm not going to say they don't have their reasons) but I don't think that any Primarch can possibly compare to Fulgrim in the dingbat department. Everything that people use as their reason for picking another Primarch was done in greater extremity by Fulgrim. He is more of an insufferable dick than Gulliman, more of a nancy boy than Sanguinius, and dumber than Leman Russ.
"Waaah! I'm a nine-foot-tall superman who looks like Fabio had a lovechild with a Calvin Klein ad, and am in charge of one of the Big E's most favoritist groups of other genetic supermen, but if only I could make better macaroni art!"
"Well, hey there, guy! Buck up. You know what's better than macaroni art? Feces paintings."
"Whoa, mister alien sword guy! That's a good idea. Hey, wait a minute. You aren't evil are you?"
"Who me? Hey, you know what else is fun? Genital mutilation!"
"You know, that could be fun. Wait, mine or someone else's?"
"Either way."
Seriously. Seriously. The most mock-worthy Primarch? The guy who fell victim to a ploy so transparent a preschooler would know better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 09:33:22
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Tadashi wrote:
I've read about that, but I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt - for every truth a daemon speaks nine lies.
The story isn't told from the mouth of Fulgrim, it's told in the IA article on the Ultramarines.
I guess that Guillimans dead body being held in stasis isn't enough proof for you either
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 12:26:14
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:
I've read about that, but I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt - for every truth a daemon speaks nine lies.
The story isn't told from the mouth of Fulgrim, it's told in the IA article on the Ultramarines.
No, not the part about Fulgrim incapacitating Gulliman. By the Throne, who wouldn't know about that. Well, maybe those new to the fluff but that's not the point. I was referring to the fact that Fulgrim supposedly exorcised himself.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 13:46:31
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:
I've read about that, but I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt - for every truth a daemon speaks nine lies.
The story isn't told from the mouth of Fulgrim, it's told in the IA article on the Ultramarines.
No, not the part about Fulgrim incapacitating Gulliman. By the Throne, who wouldn't know about that. Well, maybe those new to the fluff but that's not the point. I was referring to the fact that Fulgrim supposedly exorcised himself.
I see, and in that case, if Fulgrim did exorcise the Daemon then he isn't lying
Will have to wait and see on this one but I'm also unsure as to if it's Daemon - Fulgrim or Fulgrim Fulgrim. I hope we have Fulgrim back as I never liked the possession story line.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 13:55:42
Subject: Most mock-worthy primarch?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:
I've read about that, but I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt - for every truth a daemon speaks nine lies.
The story isn't told from the mouth of Fulgrim, it's told in the IA article on the Ultramarines.
No, not the part about Fulgrim incapacitating Gulliman. By the Throne, who wouldn't know about that. Well, maybe those new to the fluff but that's not the point. I was referring to the fact that Fulgrim supposedly exorcised himself.
I see, and in that case, if Fulgrim did exorcise the Daemon then he isn't lying
Will have to wait and see on this one but I'm also unsure as to if it's Daemon - Fulgrim or Fulgrim Fulgrim. I hope we have Fulgrim back as I never liked the possession story line.
Agreed - I would prefer Fulgrim falling by his own choice instead of getting possessed and so on...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 15:49:46
Subject: Re:Most mock-worthy primarch?
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I like the old version of Fulgrim. Makes Fulgrim more tragic, and it gives him a unique story. All the other primarchs fell to Chaos by choice. A Daemon taking control of Fulgrim is much cooler than him "letting it happen" "just as planned". Fulgrim fell to Slaanesh. No taking Tzeentch's internet meme.
Jimsolo wrote:Sorry, I understand that a lot of people dislike Gulliman, (and I'm not going to say they don't have their reasons).
I'd be willing to say that they don't. Most people's hatred of Guilliman is absurdly unfounded. The funniest of it are the people who talk about themselves in the first person plural because they play Black Templars or Space Wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 16:54:27
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Jimsolo wrote:Sorry, I understand that a lot of people dislike Gulliman, (and I'm not going to say they don't have their reasons).
I'd be willing to say that they don't. Most people's hatred of Guilliman is absurdly unfounded. The funniest of it are the people who talk about themselves in the first person plural because they play Black Templars or Space Wolves. 
I hate him because he drafted the codex astartes (capping their numbers is terrible in the long run in that it greatly limits their numbers while not dealing with the mini empires), was hypocritical "no one can be trusted so I am tearing the legions apart, but it is okay, I still get to keep my empire", and worst of all instead of continuing to lead the Imperium from the rear (regardless of his flaws he was still a genius that few mortals can compare to if any) he decided to wander off, fight Fulgrim and get his throat cut. People always talk about how much the Imperium could improve if just a single primarch that was never much of a politician (Russ or Khan) came back, but what if one of the primarchs that is the most respected by the mass population never left or died to begin with?
TBH I wouldn't mind the codex astartes if he switched just two things around
Every chapter gets one world/system to recruit from, no more, if it is destroyed or falls they can get a new one.
Every chapter can be as large as it wants.
Even if a chapter was to recruit a lot of marines it would still only be limited to a single system, and when they revolted other chapters could simply invade that one system en masse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/28 17:36:42
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I'm with you. That's a valid criticism. I've suggested that Guilliman is the 40K universe's greatest villain because he could have taken the reigns and become the Emperor II, and saved the Imperium. Instead, by not taking over, the Imperium went on to be ruled by increasingly corrupt human factions. Of course, we don't know exactly why Guilliman stepped down. But it's unquestioned that he was the only person qualified to run the Imperium in the absence of the Emperor. I don't really see the hypocrisy of Ultramar though. He had that before the Emperor found him, and he gave away the rest of the planets the Ultramarines had conquered to the 2nd Founding chapters or back to the Imperium.
I think capping the Chapters at 10,000 seems a bit better, and more feasible given the scope of 40K. A Marine Chapter could then be split into Battalions and Companies. But, it is what it is. The idea of 1000 man Chapters came out in Rogue Trader in 1988 before Guilliman had ever been mentioned.
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