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It was my impression that people don't hate Guilliman, they just find him kind of boring or bland. Which is odd becuase a lot of those people, myself included, think Dorn is awesome. I think because he's tangentially related to Imperial Fists, Black Templars, Crimson Fists, and Soul Drinkers who are all cool IMO.

Eh, I think Guilliman and Dorn were sort of the butthurt jerkwad twins. One would slander your tactics for not being his and the other would slander them for not being "manly."

Fulgrim is completely disqualified from being the most mock-worthy Primarch by virtue of the fact that he has the best K/D ratio of all the Primarchs.

- Literally punched out an Avatar after gripping said Avatar's flaming sword with his bare hands (the greatest act of "Male-ness" in the entire 40K mythos).

- Golf-Putted Ferrus Mannus' in the face with his own hammer so hard his back snapped. Later beheaded his ass.

-Got possessed by a daemon than later exorcised it without help from anyone (Impossibruh!).

-Led a lolRape-fest across all of Terra during the Siege.

- Slit Gurlyman's throat.

No other Primarch comes close to his level of absurd awesomeness.

BlaxicanX wrote:Fulgrim is completely disqualified from being the most mock-worthy Primarch by virtue of the fact that he has the best K/D ratio of all the Primarchs.

- Literally punched out an Avatar after gripping said Avatar's flaming sword with his bare hands (the greatest act of "Male-ness" in the entire 40K mythos).

Sounds pretty un-manly.

calgar 2.5 wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:Fulgrim is completely disqualified from being the most mock-worthy Primarch by virtue of the fact that he has the best K/D ratio of all the Primarchs.

- Literally punched out an Avatar after gripping said Avatar's flaming sword with his bare hands (the greatest act of "Male-ness" in the entire 40K mythos).

Sounds pretty un-manly.

really?

Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Kasrkin229 wrote:Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Wow... I guess we know your favorite faction. In all seriousness, though, that's just a load of gak. Maybe they're not the all-powerful warrior-angels that the Imperial propaganda would have you believe, but they sure as all hell are potent soldiers. Easily one of the most powerful assets mankind has access to.

Also. Spelling, punctuation, and capitalization. You fail it. FOR LIFE. Step your game up, homedude.

Kasrkin229 wrote:Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Seriously? What?

King Pariah wrote:

calgar 2.5 wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:Fulgrim is completely disqualified from being the most mock-worthy Primarch by virtue of the fact that he has the best K/D ratio of all the Primarchs.

- Literally punched out an Avatar after gripping said Avatar's flaming sword with his bare hands (the greatest act of "Male-ness" in the entire 40K mythos).

Sounds pretty un-manly.

really?

Really really.

Grabbing a guy's flaming sword then punching him in the face is dirty pool.

biccat wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

calgar 2.5 wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:Fulgrim is completely disqualified from being the most mock-worthy Primarch by virtue of the fact that he has the best K/D ratio of all the Primarchs.

- Literally punched out an Avatar after gripping said Avatar's flaming sword with his bare hands (the greatest act of "Male-ness" in the entire 40K mythos).

Sounds pretty un-manly.

really?

Really really.

Grabbing a guy's flaming sword then punching him in the face is dirty pool.

It's ok. Fulgrim likes it dirty.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Wow... I guess we know your favorite faction. In all seriousness, though, that's just a load of gak. Maybe they're not the all-powerful warrior-angels that the Imperial propaganda would have you believe, but they sure as all hell are potent soldiers. Easily one of the most powerful assets mankind has access to.

Also. Spelling, punctuation, and capitalization. You fail it. FOR LIFE. Step your game up, homedude.

lol i know , They are Potental soldiers , but they are a bit overated in my Personal opionin but yeah i know i was going to piss off a bunch of people with that comment


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deathholydeath wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Seriously? What?

<ehh i love making comments like that just to piss people off who love Space Marines , Yeah they are good soldiers but generally they are mostly gloryhogs >

Kasrkin229 wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Wow... I guess we know your favorite faction. In all seriousness, though, that's just a load of gak. Maybe they're not the all-powerful warrior-angels that the Imperial propaganda would have you believe, but they sure as all hell are potent soldiers. Easily one of the most powerful assets mankind has access to.

Also. Spelling, punctuation, and capitalization. You fail it. FOR LIFE. Step your game up, homedude.

lol i know , They are Potental soldiers , but they are a bit overated in my Personal opionin but yeah i know i was going to piss off a bunch of people with that comment


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deathholydeath wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Any Space Marines , Non of them are Worthy of Regognition , All they do is Go in and Take the Credit for what the Guard do . Over all the Guard go in and hold the Line and once they are on the verge of victory then the Space Marines come in and lose the Battle For Them .

Seriously? What?

<ehh i love making comments like that just to piss people off who love Space Marines , Yeah they are good soldiers but generally they are mostly gloryhogs >

Potent, not potential. And yeah, they have to be. Because most of the time, the guard can't apply force in high enough concentrations to achieve vital objectives. The sheer distructive power of an artillery barrage in the form of a single ten-man squad. They get glory, mostly, because they earn it.

That said, one of the most MOCKABLE primarchs would probably be Russ. Say what you want about his GOOD points, but he's essentially one giant fratboy.

Kasrkin229 wrote:
ehh i love making comments like that just to piss people off who love Space Marines , Yeah they are good soldiers but generally they are mostly gloryhogs

Hate to disappoint you, but no. I love the Guard as much as the next guy. My 2500 points of it would gladly argue with anyone who says they aren't any good. Perhaps they are underrated. But the Astartes have earned their reputation; to say they just dive in and "steal the glory" is a joke in of itself.

And dude, not every word that has emphasis in a sentence needs a capital letter. Just the first word of each sentence and names, ok?

English 101 folks.

On topic, I can go along with the whole "Russ is a heretic" thing. Running into the Warp to join the twisted legions after the Emperor has fallen... Clearly he thinks that the Imperium will fall without the Emperor, so has joined the "winning team". Now, if you're looking for glory hogs...

Mehh honestly i support the Chaos more then the Standard Space Marines , Chaos still put up a fight even though they don't have any logistical support. I know some imperial Players would scream Heresy for me saying this , Generally Space Marines are extremely Stuck up , the Only Space Marine Chapter that i have any respect for are the Salamanders , All Others tend to be more pushy toward them being the only ones who can get anything done . Overall the Guard are consistantly being forced to take on engagement zones where the Space Marines can't simpliy be everywhere at once . But more on topic the most Laughable Primarch has to be either Russ of the space wolves or the Primarch of the Black Templers , a Resularch i think .

Kasrkin229 wrote:Mehh honestly i support the Chaos more then the Standard Space Marines , Chaos still put up a fight even though they don't have any logistical support. I know some imperial Players would scream Heresy for me saying this , Generally Space Marines are extremely Stuck up , the Only Space Marine Chapter that i have any respect for are the Salamanders , All Others tend to be more pushy toward them being the only ones who can get anything done . Overall the Guard are consistantly being forced to take on engagement zones where the Space Marines can't simpliy be everywhere at once . But more on topic the most Laughable Primarch has to be either Russ of the space wolves or the Primarch of the Black Templers , a Resularch i think .

The Black Templars are a succesor chapter of the Imperial Fists, so their primarch would be Dorn.
Unless of course, you're talking about that Sigsimund guy.

i am refering to Sigsimund yes, im not the most in the Space Marine Primarchs personally

Kasrkin229 wrote:i am refering to Sigsimund yes, im not the most in the Space Marine Primarchs personally

Dude, seriously. Pick up some sentence structure and... Just basic English skills. It's taking me 10+ minutes to decipher a one-line post.

OT: Sigsimund. I am not familiar. Educate?

Well the sentances are fine thank you smartass , and otherwise stick to the actual task at hand and not what you think of my english skills

Wait, so you don't respect any of the Space Marine chapters aside from the Salamanders, arguably the most glory hogging chapter (alongside the smurfs of course )

I swear, you will see some fluff eventually about a Guard regiment that sweeps in and steals the glory from Space Marines that have dropped about 100 guys on the planet and fought weeks to win a war, only for the Glory hogging IG to drop down and take the leader's head, merely to end this ridiculous notion that the Space Marines steal glory.

Still think it's Russ though for worst Primarch.

Mehh im American im allowed to be a hipocryte . But The Guard arn't ten foot tall genetically altered supersoldiers

Kasrkin229 wrote:Mehh im American im allowed to be a hipocryte . But The Guard arn't ten foot tall genetically altered supersoldiers

So? Doesn't make them glory hogs. There isn't that much glory in it anyway; Most citizens don't care who saved them. Most will never see a Space Marine and to most they are merely a myth, a legend. The Grey Knights even go as far as to be invisible to the population, completely unknown. On the flipside, the IG are common as muck. But the SM do not steal glory; the IG ending of the Lorn 5 campaign (DoW Winter assault) shows us both how hard SM are as soldiers, and how mutual understanding between the forces of the IoM is commonly achieved.

Now, enough of this joke that the SM are gloryhunters.

i never said the IG wen't glory hogs i just tend to lack respect for Space Marines

Kasrkin229 wrote:I never said the IG weren't glory hogs, I just lack respect for Space Marines

Okay, I think we got that from your last several posts, can we move on and get back on topic people?

and Fix'd

Thank you Pariah but i wasn't the one who was continueing it

ANYWAYS.

Leman Russ. Space fratboy. Liked to get drunk, stuff his face, and punch people. When the Emp came around, immediately challanged him to all three, then lost at the only one that actually mattered. Spent another few thousand years getting drunk, eating, and punching people in the face, including one of his own brothers, and in general being obstinate and annoying to deal with. At the Council of Nikea and in the following Horus Heresy, he perpetrated massive hypocrisy, slaughtering his brother Magnus' legion for use of sorcery, while dismissing his own legion's use of psychic power with what essentially amounted to 'NOP PWR OF FENRIS LOLZ!1!!1'. Then, as he Heresy wound down, as he saw that his mindless combativeness and griping wasn't going to keep the majority of SM legions from following Gulliman's Codex, he ragequit like a coward into the warp, with 'searching' for the Emperor as an excuse.

calgar 2.5 wrote:
Sounds pretty un-manly.

calgar 2.5 wrote:
Really really.

Grabbing a guy's flaming sword then punching him in the face is dirty pool.

Sounds like something an Ultramarine would say.

You can't blame yourself for your Primarch's failings. There was nothing anyone could do to prevent Gurlyman from getting owned by Fulgrim.

BlaxicanX wrote:

calgar 2.5 wrote:
Sounds pretty un-manly.

calgar 2.5 wrote:
Really really.

Grabbing a guy's flaming sword then punching him in the face is dirty pool.

Sounds like something an Ultramarine would say.

You can't blame yourself for your Primarch's failings. There was nothing anyone could do to prevent Gurlyman from getting owned by Fulgrim.

Or getting owned by Alpha Legion when his arrogant ass was strutting about, convinced that Alpha Legion was headless and thus harmless after killing Alpharius (maybe) and getting almost all of the SM with him killed in the process. Ah, silly Guilliman, if only Loyalist Marines could see the truth. Though they all may aspire to be like his Ultramarines, Guilliman secretly aspired to be like Alpharius, or Corax, or Kurze, or the Reasonable Marines...

King Pariah wrote: the Reasonable Marines...

No such thing

But yeah, I hear Russ is chilling in the eye of terror these days... sounds pretty... heretical. Not to mention if he was going to go renegade, he could at least not be late to the party about it.

I'd say you would be well entitled to mock magnus, his whole story was that he thought he would eventually be vindicated when he showed the Emperor how sorcery could forewarn him about Lupercal, then the emperor sends his pet to get him, Magnus is nearly killed then after his armies kill themselves with the rubricon he throws a hissy fit climbs his tower and threatens to burn the Imperium

liquidjoshi wrote:Wait, so you don't respect any of the Space Marine chapters aside from the Salamanders, arguably the most glory hogging chapter (alongside the smurfs of course )
.

Either my sarcasm detector is off, or this is one of the worst fluff arguments ever. The Salamanders THING is that they don't care about glory as long as the job gets done. Maybe as individuals they care, but as a chapter they are very good at putting pride to the side. They willingly take rearguard duties and hold supply lines in check while others rush forward securely to glory in front line battle. They are also quick to share victories and acknowledge those who participated, be they other Astartes or Guard. This, their dedication to humanity, self-reliance, and their love for sweet burny fire are the defining characteristics for the Sallies chapter as a whole.

I have a feeling, though, that if we get more from Vulkan in the HH he will be Kymed to critical mockability.