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Im sorry to say this but its the most stupid whining i ever read...

You get everything at once, perfect! You can buy what you want from the start and dont have to proxy/make your own stuff for two years while you wait for it to come out.
Al the unit profiles are already in the codex so you already know what they do and what you want, only difference is you could now buy everything from the start if the rumor is true.

Its like whining about an army that has been out for two, three years that they already got al their minnies.so i wont start that army because i can buy everything for it and its not getting a new model....

I

Panic wrote:Yeah,
Agamemnon, Sorry I ment non character units missing models?

Void Raven
Griffon
Colossus
Hydra
non-BR Dethkoptas

Flash gitz
Crypteks
jet bike warlocks and seers...

tyranids are missing a few...
shrikes... (warriors with wings.)
harpy
Sky-slasher swarms (rippers with wings)
Parasite of mortrex
Ymgarl genestealers
Mycetic spore pod
.... And the doom and leaper? Named characters?


What else??

Panic...

Griffon & Hydra are both available from Forge World, which means that there are official models in production. Granted, they're resin rather than metal, but the point is that GW does produce models for them.

The same could be argued for Deffkoptas I guess - just because you have to buy it in a set doesn't mean it's not available. Just because you have to buy a servo-harness techmarine with a servitor squad set doesn't mean servo-harness techmarines aren't available.

Ymgarl genestealers are just regular ones with the gribbly mouths, right? Again, you might have to buy a few sets, but they are available. Otherwise we could argue that ML Long Fangs aren't available....

Flash gitz are available from the website.

So...

Wracks? or Grotesques? One of those isn't available, right?
Penal Legionnaires aren't available

There must be more...

ArbitorIan wrote:

Wracks? or Grotesques? One of those isn't available, right?

Both got a Finecast offering within the last year.

As a Nid player, I have one word for this news...


GOOD

derek wrote:

ArbitorIan wrote:

Wracks? or Grotesques? One of those isn't available, right?

Both got a Finecast offering within the last year.

And no-one bought them, because there was only one pose for the grotesque and the wracks didn't come with any options.

But at least they actually MADE them

I feel for the Nid players, as I was one myself. It took years to get the T-fex and Tervigon, and they are still waiting on a bunch of stuff..


GW: We appreciate the awesome new flyers and so on, but could you please finish out the releases for existing units from the dexes?

I see no difference in waiting 7 years for new models and then getting EVERYTHING at once rather than getting *some* now and the remainder over a 7 year period

Personally I rather have all my models at once..sucks for Nids who had to wait forever for their monsters

Currently missing models entirely that i know of (though i may be wrong on a couple..)



Daemons:
Chariots of the various chaos gods, planaquin of nurgle (sure you can convert them, but that's not the point)
Skarbrand IIRC
Blue Scribes
Ku-Gath (as distinct from a regular GUO)

DE
Voidraven
Malys, Vect , Sathonyx, Sliscus, Kaerdruakk

Tyranid

mycetic spore, harpy, shrikes, flying rippers, Parasite of mortrex, Doom of Malantai (sure all of these are convertible, but again, what isn't )

Orks:

Wazdakka (unless FW has one)
Zogwort



There's likely some others out there

They'll be a lot of Brettonian players out there saying tough, now you know how we feel at waiting 7 years for new stuff.

Kirasu wrote:I see no difference in waiting 7 years for new models and then getting EVERYTHING at once rather than getting *some* now and the remainder over a 7 year period

Personally I rather have all my models at once..sucks for Nids who had to wait forever for their monsters

7 years it's an eternity specially if you have weekly news from lots of companies that do know how to use the internet to promote their things and know how to built a buzz around them... it's an eternity if your group is moving elsewhere for their fix they will never come back to a dormant silent company, its way to long time to keep your interest pumped in something that is vaguely splashed on a rather appalling mag during those 7 years.
You check your emails box don't you? When you don't check it for a week you have hundreds of emails about minis and wargaming now multiply that for 7 years and see how freaking ridiculous this is.
I have nids and for me the best thing would be monthly goodies for them, not 2 in 2 years or 7...and the worse part is the clamp about news which means no buzz no minis no nothing sorry if I find that not enjoyable or entertaining.

The Bretts aren't alone here. Wood Elves, Daemonhunters, Necrons and Dark Eldar all had their turn at this.

Maybe not all the minis at once, but at least images, then release over a few months.... that would be nice....

Supporting each army only one week per decade is not enough. GW is still in panic over what they consider IP theft. And panic shuts down rational considerations. There will always be room and demand for alternative models by non-GW companies. GW will only succeed in lowering interest in the game.

Making waves and assuring people that all essential units will get new models within an explicit timeframe (the more essential the sooner) would solve the problem. Making extra releases with WD rules would keep interest high. Sales numbers prove that this works (e.g. Skaven and High Elves).

Don't say that Kroot. Someone might accuse you of "complaining".

i can add a unit to the list of non existent models/boxsets

Deathwing termies.... i mean who wouldnt want the termy boxes all rolled into 1, both assault and shooty in the same box

Prediction: 2012

Mixed termy boxset £45 for 5

I actually kind of like the whole wave thing.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Don't say that Kroot. Someone might accuse you of "complaining".

No problem. I am busy painting new Infinity and Malifaux stuff

This is not a bad thing and nowhere do I see the end of splash releases of "new" items in off months.

That said this is the natural outcome to the improvements in the rapid prototyping and plastics process. Digital sculpting is killing dev time. I think it will be logistics which slows releases in the future rather than design.

Regardless of how they are going to put out the product, the cost of playing the game will still turn off people. No discounts of any sort equals the continual loss of the customer base.

Now if you have models that can be used when there is an a Zombie Apocalypse upon us, then I'm all for it

Adam LongWalker wrote:Regardless of how they are going to put out the product, the cost of playing the game will still turn off people. No discounts of any sort equals the continual loss of the customer base.

Check out the official price increase list from The War Store. Current prices good for one more day till May 31.
http://www.thewarstore.com/pdf/TWS2012GW_priceincrease.pdf

I was hearing that most of the items that got increased last year will not be price increased this year, but many of the most popular items like Space Marine vehicles are going up in price again and once again it's mostly not just a buck or two. Example, a Predator tank went from about $40 to $45 last year, now they'll be $57.75. Land Raiders go up $8.25 for the second year in a row to $74.25. Ouch. You just won't seen any new armies with massive tank formations or massive collections of any kind from many new hobbyists. The cost is simply prohibitive given the size of the increases on so many items each year.

This "wave" system has been spotty and hit-or-miss for years. And then they turn around and design and release some new units that aren't in any Codex this coming month for Orks and Space Marines. I always enjoy it when they come up with a fun idea and just do it or release interesting variations of models that are already in the Codex like they did 15 or more years ago. These days when they get rigid at GW they get really rigid. It seems to be the style since T. Kirby took tighter control of GW in all aspects of the business.

Hey, who else thinks maybe this will coincide with a new change in design philosophy? Fewer units? Fewer options? More simplified streamlined rules perhaps? And just in time for the new Chaos codex? Sounds good to me!

Hey how does new plastic raptors, havocs and dreads sound? Yay! Oh, looks like you've blown through your new release allowance - no new options for you! Oops! See ya in 8 years!

Hey how does new plastic raptors, havocs and dreads sound? Yay! Oh, looks like you've blown through your new release allowance - no new options for you! Oops! See ya in 8 years!

Nice to see you crawled out of the woodwork. It's great to see all the old school complainers and conspiracy theorists back in the same thread. The world's going to end.

GW's wave system has been flawed from the start because of lack of information on when and if a second or third wave will or will not hit. If the choice is between that and getting everything that you will ever get in one massive release it's not really a choice at all. This is great news if it has any truth in it. I've always despised the notion that your codex has some seemingly crucial units that don't have models for them and you don't know whether you should spend a lot of money and effort in converting models for them because GW might or might not release official models for them in the near or far future.

I can't see why you read it as meaning that you'd get fewer units. Necrons are the latest army in town and they got a ton of new kits in a short period of time. If that release time frame becomes even shorter then great.

Complainers and conspiracy theoriests? Doobie was me before I was me! He is my Dakka elder (as opposed to Eldar). I look up to him!

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Hey, who else thinks maybe this will coincide with a new change in design philosophy? Fewer units? Fewer options? More simplified streamlined rules perhaps? And just in time for the new Chaos codex? Sounds good to me!

Hey how does new plastic raptors, havocs and dreads sound? Yay! Oh, looks like you've blown through your new release allowance - no new options for you! Oops! See ya in 8 years!

I see what you did there...

Therion wrote:I can't see why you read it as meaning that you'd get fewer units.

Uh, maybe because since time immemorial models have driven rules and not the other way around?

@ BrassScorpion

Thanks for the info to give to others of a 3rd party seller before the price increases take affect.


I've been buying large amounts of GW product from 3rd party sellers before and when 6th rumors started hitting the interwebs seriously. I recently bought 35 Eldar jetbikes (got a fluff army thing for my Eldar going) and it sure as hell not from Games Workshop directly. What I purchased directly from GW of late? Around $20 per month as I consider that using their table space to play on. But I'm not going in there much anymore so that will decline as well.

Spending money on this hobby(or any hobby)is not my issue. I'll drop hundreds of dollars (in cash of course) in a moments notice if I feel that this is a good deal on giving me satisfaction in whatever I want to do in my free time.

I believe like others that this is a reaction to the chapter house lawsuit and other third party companies making alternative parts for GW product. All of this is reactionary, not being proactive.

BrassScorpion wrote:
Check out the official price increase list from The War Store. Current prices good for one more day till May 31.
http://www.thewarstore.com/pdf/TWS2012GW_priceincrease.pdf

Wow, just wow... The Imperial Bastion is going up 37.5%. Basilica Administratum, Sanctum Imperialis and Manifactorum all going up by 32%. 40k Battlefield Accessories up by 71%...

Looks like they are trying to get the 20% discounters to sell for the old full retail prices: 20% GW price increase minus 20% discounter discount = current retail prices. No possible production increases could possibly justify this much of an increase,

BrassScorpion wrote: These days when they get rigid at GW they get really rigid. It seems to be the style since T. Kirby took tighter control of GW in all aspects of the business.

All praise the mighty Leader Kim Il Kirby!

On a positive note, if everything is being released at once, it will leave a lot more space in WD for interesting content in issues that aren't featuring a new Codex/Army Book.

They could always produce everything at once (As the OP stated) and then add new units via white dwarf like they are now to keep interest high (Granted that would make entirely too much sense. I think it's a pretty big shame that they are considering this not because it would make players happy but because they're trying to punish 3rd party designers like chapterhouse for "stealing" their IP

Flashman wrote:I'm going to reiterate my point that the GW has pretty much completed it's core range now. Some of it might look dated but it's 90% all there.

The next time a codex comes out (with the exception of Sisters of Battle maybe), they'll only have to release models for the new units. The wave system isn't really needed anymore in my eyes.

Because GW DON'T make money out of selling models, right? They can make enough out selling stuff to new customers, they don't need to give existing customers an excuse to buy that shiny new model. That'll also make GD a bit boring. How many variants of the squad that was released just at the right time for people to paint can you stand at the Demons?

The wave system in and of itself was not a bad system. The fact that GW didn't tell it's customer base what was coming out, or when, was what was wrong. People are backlashing against it now because they have little to compare it against.

Sony: We'll sell you a TV now, but at some unspecified point in the future you'll be able to buy an integral Blu-ray player to go in that slot, a PVR drive to go in that slot, and a 3D screen replacement because the current 2D one looks Fugly! (Provided we don't decide to drop the model within the next 6-7 years) Warning. 3D replacement screen may warp and have bits drop off if it gets hot!

Ford: We'll sell you a car now, but the air con. will be a sepperate package, you can only use original Ford stereo equipment on motorways (What you use on backroads is up to you, but if they name it too close to ours, or if it looks too much like ours, we'll sue). [Newer models will be made of tinfoil. Found a fault? Send it back for replacement (Max 16 replacements per customer)] P.S. We've closed down our spares department. Want a couple of spare wheels for something else, sorry but you'll have to buy a complete car now!

Yeah, Right! GW are justifiably known for the lack of brains at Head office. It may save them some bother having closed down the ability to order particular parts through mail order, and initially, and at high levels such as the Demons, it may net them some extra sales. But the vast majority will now be individualising their squads with third party parts, stuff they have cast themselves from GW parts. Most people don't have the ability to sculpt arms/weapons/legs/whatever from scratch with just GS, but GW no longer want to sell you the bits to make your models individual, and bitch and moan when you go elsewhere for bits to personallise models you bought from them.

And with the splash system, they are not doing anything to address the basic flaws with their marketing model - they didn't tell their customers what to expect!

With the wave releases, you didn't know when a certain unit for an army was going to come out. Splash release could well mean you don't know what ARMY is coming out! Just imagine how annoyed you'd be if you spent a long time waiting for Nids to come out, get seduced by the new release of Tau, only to find out the very next month that your Nids have come out! If only you'd held on that month longer!

Changing the release type =/= getting the information you need to decide what you want to buy.



And as I said previously, all GW need to do is have pictures in codecies, 3-ups sculpted, to stop others from making the models. the OP does not say that splash releases are going to happen - they can still drip-feed the customer base with wave releases over a year or more which defers the cost to them of cutting tool steel. moulds are expensive, and if they can find out that certain units are not popular before making the moulds they can save in the region of £50K - the profit on how many LR's would that be, do you recon? (Less than before the price increase, certainly!)

Therion wrote:GW's wave system has been flawed from the start because of lack of information on when and if a second or third wave will or will not hit. If the choice is between that and getting everything that you will ever get in one massive release it's not really a choice at all. This is great news if it has any truth in it. I've always despised the notion that your codex has some seemingly crucial units that don't have models for them and you don't know whether you should spend a lot of money and effort in converting models for them because GW might or might not release official models for them in the near or far future.

That's it exactly. There was no natural flow or pattern to the release schedule...the releases were darts haphazardly thrown at a board. (The Tyranid darts missed the board and stuck in the wall, FYI.) The idea was fine, they just struggled with implementation.