More IG info from Warseer *Update 3/16/09: hands-on info from reds8n*

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**Scottywan82**

Hell yes! I forsee many brutal tank combos...

EDIT: Does this mean they follow squadron rules though? Like immobilised = destroyed?

**reds8n**

I assume so.

I didn't see anything that suggested otherwise.

Ahh.... what the hell..

Hydra Flak tank has special targetting that ignores fast cover saves on bikes.

....and skimmers.

**foil7102**

Oh holy crap, I think I blew my foot off!

Hydra just went from meh... to Whoa....

**BrookM**

Oh yes, take that you dodgy bastards!

**foil7102**

Still though squadron Russ's..... Not too keen on the idea. One biker warboss, charges a single russ you might be looking at three dead tanks.

**don_mondo**

volair wrote:
Uszaty wrote:Getting constantly raped by old codex infantry IG spam, I think most of those rumors are freaking ridiculous. I see no point finishing my CSM army now. I wonder how many people will start their IG armies just to keep up with the metagame...

If you have trouble against the current imperial guard, then your problems are with your own army, not with that of others. Your army obviously needs serious help; I recommend posting your army list on the appropriate forum to get some feedback.

Off topic, but I gotta disagree. The current IG 'dex used as an Infantry spam is fairly good. I went 4-1 at the Baltimore GT with it, and on a 10-game winning streak right now in our local campaign.
And given the rumored costs to IG squads, and the possibility of joining Heavy Weapon squads to standard Infantry Platoons, I see Infantry spam being quite viable under the new codex.

**reds8n**

foil7102 wrote:Oh holy crap, I think I blew my foot off!

Hydra just went from meh... to Whoa....

As I said... a LOT of good options in this book. That's without the special orders that stormtroopers have to choose from at the start of the game.

Or the myriad of special characters.

One of them--Chenkov (sp ?similar anyway)-- basically gets to recycle an entire unit of conscripts/penal troops ( think the former judging by his name) who then get to come back on the table good as new and back to full strength,

**BrookM**

What kind of orders can storm troopers choose from?

**Scottywan82**

I really can't wait to get my hands on this book.

I actually think the tanks are the thing I'm least interested to know about at this point.

Really want to hear more about the infantry options, special characters, and all these crazy new squads.

reds8n, did you notice if the Sentinels were all FA, or some were HS or elites?

**Thanatos73**

Oh yeah, I'm so getting a Hydra or three now! And did anyone happen to notice if Penal Legion troops can take heavy weapons? It was mentioned earlier that they can take "normal" weapons, just want to know if that includes heavies.

**reds8n**

I assume they could benefit from "normal" orders given by a command squad, but aside from that they get a choice of 3 otehrs..

1 is soemthing like scout and move through cover

1 is something like infiltrate and their first shots count as pinning.

And the 3rd is..... is.....

...err..... something similar.
Sorry.

They can also reroll the dice when deep striking, handy if they jump out of a valk as it hurtles along at top speed.

Penal options are something like:

"Gunfighters"-- shooting is assault 2
thieves/similar-- fleet and FC maybe ?
And some melee one that gives them rending.

**AffliKtion**

What's with Marbo only having LD 7, thats kinda wierd. Is he Fearless?

**reds8n**

I think so, not sure though.

He deploys like a callidus, and his knife wounds on a 2+ in melee.

Apparently he has been/they use him for, hunting Lictors.

**AffliKtion**

You would think the "one man army" would have a higher leadership than that.

W/E, as long as he kicks so much ass that it doesn't matter.

**reds8n**

Pretty certain sentinels were all fast attack. Think the heavier one doesn't get scout though.

Bastonne (sp ?-- much dig that sheet out in future

) is an upgrade character-- think Telion or Snikrot. There's a Catachan one as well ..think he's for the veterans, basically makes them Catachan Devils.

Iron Hand Strachen is pretty awesome too. Fearless, both him and his command squad, power weapon but with an extra d6 AP, and he has an order that can give FC and counter attack to unit/s nearby.

I think we're going to see a lot of very different guard armies.

**AffliKtion**

WHAT? OMG NICE!!!!

There's another character besides Straken and Marbo for Catachan!?!?!?

COUNTER-ATTACK? NIIIIIICEEEEE!

**Scottywan82**

That's good news! I'm really interested that there is going to be fierce competition for HS and FA slots, whereas the elites will be more varied according to the style of play.

**Quintinus**

Red S8n, could you please confirm that Stormtroopers are/are not 16 points?

If they are, then it's the only downer for this codex. If they aren't, well, then this codex is AWESOME (x2)!!

**Tek**

"An extra shot order"

Oh great, so we lose Bladestorm as well now.

Gee thanks GW.

**AffliKtion**

Vladsimpaler wrote:Red S8n, could you please confirm that Stormtroopers are/are not 16 points?

If they are, then it's the only downer for this codex. If they aren't, well, then this codex is AWESOME (x2)!!

They are, but it sure as hell isn't a downer.

They get Krak/Frag,Hellguns(Ap3 mind you)/Hellpistol and CCW, Targetters, Infiltrate and Deepstrike FOR FREE, and a couple of special rules.

I think the point increase is fine considering all this stuff you get standard.

**Gestalt**

reds8n wrote: HQ command squads have those plus extra one :

BRING IT DOWN ! SQuad becomes twin linked when shooting at tanks, MCs or units/squadrons thereof.

So we can only give 1 (2 if we can take 2 command HQ?) of those orders a turn? Thats a shame, guess it promotes AT squads over lascannons in platoon squads. No STR/Pen roll bonus on that as rumored? Without that it puts tanks as top AT instead of infantry.

Is the extra shot order only with lasguns? Hellguns or Ripper guns would be nice sometimes with that.

Penal Troopers with rending? Hard to say if thats useful without points/rules. I doubt they would live long enough to strike against anything worth rending though.

I'm hoping that tank commander makes vanquisher worth taking.

Also since your info seems to be very specific, where is it from? Did they 'leak' the codex yet?

Edit: From http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/233463.page it doesnt look like a Vanquisher can fire normal shells. They better be cheaper and/or have a veteran option to increase BS.

**Wehrkind**

Man, the description of the Orders system just gave me a fangasm. That will really go a long way towards making IG more tactical and interesting, much like SoB faith etc.

This is just too exciting!

**Death By Monkeys**

Yeah, it looks like there's going to be a wide variety of ways to play IG effectively now.

**don_mondo**

foil7102 wrote:Oh holy crap, I think I blew my foot off!

Hydra just went from meh... to Whoa....

While it's better, it's still not quite a Whoa IMO. ST 7, AP 4. So any 3+ unit is going to still get their normal save. Horde units won't care cause it can't kill enough of them. And if you're considering it for anti-turboboosting bike work, say Ork Nob bikers, well, they still get their FNP. Seems like it's best use will be aginst us, IG, targetting a command squad that's already been whittled down a little with AP 4 so no regular saves and no cover saves and ST 7 so it Instakills........

Only place it really seems useful is against skimmers. Question will be whether or not it works against the Tau upgrade. Should, but who knows for sure? Maybe it's written that it only denies cover for moving Flat Out, in which case it's useless against the Tau upgrade.

**Death By Monkeys**

don_mondo wrote:Only place it really seems useful is against skimmers. Question will be whether or not it works against the Tau upgrade. Should, but who knows for sure? Maybe it's written that it only denies cover for moving Flat Out, in which case it's useless against the Tau upgrade.

Well, considering from a fluff perspective that was what it was built to do, it does make a certain amount of sense...

**don_mondo**

Yep, but with the plethora of other Heavy Support choices taht are going to be available to us, the Hydra is ranking way down there on the list, IMO.

**Scottywan82**

I think it will depend on the build, honestly. And who you're playing most frequently.

I also want to know about the 2 special weapons per squad. I'm seriously considering dropping most of my heavy weapons in favor of more armor, at this point.

**Mort**

AffliKtion wrote:
Vladsimpaler wrote:Red S8n, could you please confirm that Stormtroopers are/are not 16 points?

If they are, then it's the only downer for this codex. If they aren't, well, then this codex is AWESOME (x2)!!

They are, but it sure as hell isn't a downer.

They get Krak/Frag,Hellguns(Ap3 mind you)/Hellpistol and CCW, Targetters, Infiltrate and Deepstrike FOR FREE, and a couple of special rules.

I think the point increase is fine considering all this stuff you get standard.

I agree with Affliktion - 16 AP for them sure seems like a bargain to me.

**Vaktathi**

Not too psyched about 16pt Stormtroopers. There's only so far one can go in justifying 16pt/model T3 I3 WS3 A1 Ld7/8 4+sv models with S3 Rapid fire guns, but I think I'll live with it if the rest of the rumors are true

and I'll still probably field a buttload of ST's just because I like ST'

I field 60 now, why not keep 'em.

**Ravajaxe**

Thanks reds8n for these delightful news on special rules. Seems to me that I will not miss "obsolete" doctrines so much. IG players will gain a toolbox of tactical options for infantry. Weaker than Eldar and orks they are, but definitely more adaptable than before.