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Flashman wrote:
40K 5th Edition - All Codexes released prior to this point (unless superseded by new inferior versions) remain valid
Codex Space Marines - Nice thick Codex with tons of options, expanded wargear choices, better characters and cheaper tanks with greater capacities. DA and BA players go "Huh?" SW players give a sigh of relief that their Codex wasn't released in GW's "stupid" period.

I can only hope SW dont suffer our same fate. As much as I dislike them, wishing something as bad as what happened to the two angels is not good for the hobby as a whole. I can at least count myself lucky that I started and played through GW's seemingly "smart period" of 3rd Edition.

Sweet. BT's and BA's next year. 5th Edition will be a good edition.

I think I might have the new SW transfer decals sheet for vehicles. It came with a Razorback I got the other day. Has this happened to anyone else? Is it just an old one?
Lemme know.

P.S not sure how to add pics to my post (yeah, yeah...) - if someone can help me out I'll post one so you can have a look.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Sweet. BT's and BA's next year. 5th Edition will be a good edition.

Wait what?

5th is good rules wise but I must say the upcoming codexs might make me less interested daily (Guard and Wolves needed it, but more SM really?)

Flashman wrote: Codex Space Marines - Nice thick Codex with tons of options, expanded wargear choices, better characters and cheaper tanks with greater capacities. DA and BA players go "Huh?" SW players give a sigh of relief that their Codex wasn't released in GW's "stupid" period.

And if GW would just listen to what everyone, who doesn't play some sort of oddly colored marine, has been saying for the years since I've been involved in this hobby and just toss all the marines into one book, none of this would be a problem. Instead, 40k has more armies than Fantasy, but not(?), because something like 759 of the 40k books are marines with a different paint job.

Casper wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Sweet. BT's and BA's next year. 5th Edition will be a good edition.

Wait what?

5th is good rules wise but I must say the upcoming codexs might make me less interested daily (Guard and Wolves needed it, but more SM really?)

It had been mentioned somewhere, likely not here, that the next three codexes will be Dark Eldar after Wolves, Blood Angels, Templars/Tyranids. Templars/Nids being interchangeable. If 2010 is looking to be another year of recession then Templars will likely come out. It probably wasn't mentioned here though, because of the amount of aneurysms caused by marine hate.

Burna Stompa wrote:Instead, 40k has more armies than Fantasy...

Fantasy has fifteen army books. 40k has sixteen codices if you count the Blood Angels PDF. That's a grand total of only one more 'army'.

And here I thought I had made my sarcasm as obvious as possible...guess not.

But, since you don't get my point, maybe I should toss it out there again, how many of these 40k books could be summed up into a single book? Black Templars, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, all of those could be tossed into the Space Marine book without much effort and you wouldn't have the complaints of the Dark Angels and Blood Angels players at the current time. Now, hopefully Ghaz will calm down and perhaps find someone else to attempt to belittle without taking enough time to see how obvious someone's sarcasm is.

Burna Stompa wrote:And here I thought I had made my sarcasm as obvious as possible...guess not.

But, since you don't get my point, maybe I should toss it out there again, how many of these 40k books could be summed up into a single book? Black Templars, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, all of those could be tossed into the Space Marine book without much effort and you wouldn't have the complaints of the Dark Angels and Blood Angels players at the current time. Now, hopefully Ghaz will calm down and perhaps find someone else to attempt to belittle without taking enough time to see how obvious someone's sarcasm is.

Stop pretending internet sarcasm always has a big red flag on it. Say what you mean.

Burna Stompa wrote:But, since you don't get my point, maybe I should toss it out there again, how many of these 40k books could be summed up into a single book? Black Templars, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, all of those could be tossed into the Space Marine book without much effort and you wouldn't have the complaints of the Dark Angels and Blood Angels players at the current time. Now, hopefully Ghaz will calm down and perhaps find someone else to attempt to belittle without taking enough time to see how obvious someone's sarcasm is.

Maybe you should follow your own advice. It seems to me that you're the one who's getting bent out of shape because someone dared to disagree with you. Perhaps you should learn that before you try flaming somebody again.

Perhaps we should be talking about how many Fantasy books should be rolled into one instead? Do we really need three books covering the Elves? Two for Chaos and two for Humans? Seems to me that GW thinks they need these books, and I'll take their opinions over yours any day.

Burna Stompa wrote:And here I thought I had made my sarcasm as obvious as possible...guess not.

But, since you don't get my point, maybe I should toss it out there again, how many of these 40k books could be summed up into a single book? Black Templars, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, all of those could be tossed into the Space Marine book without much effort and you wouldn't have the complaints of the Dark Angels and Blood Angels players at the current time. Now, hopefully Ghaz will calm down and perhaps find someone else to attempt to belittle without taking enough time to see how obvious someone's sarcasm is.

And don't insist Marine factions could fit in one codex. Its stupid and idiotic, and almost insulting. If I told you to share codex space with another completely different army, even if you both wear power armor, you would get upset too. The color of the armor does not make an army, its the character and background. If more people would realize this there would be less fighting.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:And don't insist Marine factions could fit in one codex. Its stupid and idiotic, and almost insulting. If I told you to share codex space with another completely different army, even if you both wear power armor, you would get upset too.

Does this apply to Chaos armies as well? Or are they all one kind (the Chaos kind)?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:And don't insist Marine factions could fit in one codex. Its stupid and idiotic, and almost insulting. If I told you to share codex space with another completely different army, even if you both wear power armor, you would get upset too.

Does this apply to Chaos armies as well? Or are they all one kind (the Chaos kind)?

Did either of you have your red sarcasm flag on?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:And don't insist Marine factions could fit in one codex. Its stupid and idiotic, and almost insulting. If I told you to share codex space with another completely different army, even if you both wear power armor, you would get upset too.

Does this apply to Chaos armies as well? Or are they all one kind (the Chaos kind)?

Truth be told, as irritating as it would be to have more books to wait on...yes, they should have individual books. I think Chaos is a prime example of trying to stuff too much in not enough space. They have different looks and stories but basically all play the same (with slight variations). IMO, they should have different play styles like the SM chapters do and get books dedicated to them for this reason. But like I said, more books to wait on and just more hate.

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think that most players mind so much that so many Space Marine Chapters get their own codex, per se. I think it's more that there are multiple Space Marine Chapters who are getting their own codex before many of the other armies have even received their basic codex.

Maybe some Chapters do deserve their own codex, but none of them deserve their own codex before every other army has at least a new basic codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:And don't insist Marine factions could fit in one codex. Its stupid and idiotic, and almost insulting. If I told you to share codex space with another completely different army, even if you both wear power armor, you would get upset too.

Does this apply to Chaos armies as well? Or are they all one kind (the Chaos kind)?

It absolutely does not apply to the Chaos LEGIONS. Chaos Marine Codexes should easily outnumber Loyalists. I am thinking maybe 6 (Chaos Space Marines, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Undivided Legions).

I also believe that Orks should have rules for Clans, Sisters for Convents, and Craftworlds. Call me crazy.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Call me crazy.

You're crazy.



On a (hopefully) reasonable note, I'd just like to point out that you basically have two extremes that have to be followed using the two lines of thinking demonstrated here:

1) Minimal codices.
2) Maximized codices.


The former is the logical extension of the antagonists of the varied Space Marine codices. Basically, those people who don't want multiple chapter-specific codices because they're "all the same" should pretty much also support the condensing of other codices as well, leaving the 40k system with anyplace from 3-8 army books.

The latter is the logical extension of viewpoints such as Marshal2Crusaders that indicates that each subset of a given faction should have their own codex such as Craftworld Eldar and Chaos Legion. This could increase the codex count rather dramatically from the current 16 to probably at least double that.

So our extremes on either end, then are 3 and we'll say 32. I'm pretty sure that absolutely nobody would be happy with either one of those, so instead we get something in-between, a compromise in which some but not all people are unhappy (and most of the unhappiness comes from timing rather than real issues with the discrete number of codices).


In the end, I'll go with compromise, and just wish that GW could learn to hurry the hell up on some of these things because that'd basically reduce the unhappiness to a low drone in the background of the internet, instead of the constant barrage of GW hate I always see in the news areas of the three 40k forums I frequent.

Well I am not saying a Codex for each Craftwolrd, Klan, and Convent. I am saying that they could easily be given the 'Codex:Space Marines' treatment. They have many different special characters with rules attached for each Klan/Craftworld/Convent. The system would obviously need work.


I can hear your cries now. Why don't they get full Codexes? Well, because they arn't Space Marines, and we all know the unavoidable fact is Marines get more stuff by default. No one faults the Master Chief for getting more attention that the Arbiter, and no one cares that Mario gets all the attention, because they, like Space Marines, are the main characters of the universe.


Lets see if THAT gets some responses.

Hey doesnt this mean the end of non stand alone codexes?

IIRC, GW advised this would indeed be the case some time ago. I think once the Space Wolves are released, that would be the last codex that relies on an additional codex in order to play the army.

Wolves were my first army back in 1st edition. I'm really excited to see how this turns out. So far, it's looking promising. I'd anxious to see the new sprue and a new Ragnar model.

That's the new Grey hunter. Looks ok I guess. I'll be honest here; you know what I fething HATE??
TOPKNOTS!! Who's idea was it to incluse topknots in EVERY fething ARMY in 40k?

They looked gak in the 80s when they were invented, why are they now a stupid slowed-looking legacy in the world of 40k?

I seriously hate fething topknots, they are so ri-god-damned-diculous.

That picture has been posted five times over the last three pages of this thread matey.

I seriously hate fething topknots, they are so ri-god-damned-diculous.

You can always cut them off and smooth it over with some greenstuff, you aren't required to keep the fugly as sin topknot on the head.

GW makes some poor artistic choices sometimes, and I agree that topknots are the wrong way to go.

Any other pics floating about? or are we gonna debate this mutton chopped motha until orktober?

Hordini wrote:Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think that most players mind so much that so many Space Marine Chapters get their own codex, per se. I think it's more that there are multiple Space Marine Chapters who are getting their own codex before many of the other armies have even received their basic codex.

Maybe some Chapters do deserve their own codex, but none of them deserve their own codex before every other army has at least a new basic codex.

Deserve?

GW is in this to make money, so they are going to release an army book for what they think will sell the most miniatures.

If all of the "Spase Marienz" crowd would buy a lot of Xenos stuff, and then buy some more, well THEN we might see GW do something else.

heh, sorry Brook, I figured it would be posted already, but had to get that off my chest.

Chaplain; I know I can chop them off man, can and do!
It's just a shame that I have literally ten million topknots in my bitzbox.

Hoping the SW will see a new LRBT kit, as per general consensus following the Punisher etc. box.

Topknots were invented in the 80's? =)

What the hell? This thread is so off-topic anyway.

Have some Space Wolf art to counter gray hunter's ugly head (i didnt draw this ):

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:
And don't insist Marine factions could fit in one codex. Its stupid and idiotic, and almost insulting. If I told you to share codex space with another completely different army, even if you both wear power armor, you would get upset too. The color of the armor does not make an army, its the character and background. If more people would realize this there would be less fighting.

Eh, Dark Angels and Blood Angels could easily fit in the main codex. It's not like they have much unique to them.

Space Wolves and Black Templars should be separate, though.

As for Space Wolves, it's sounding like it'll be awesome.

What excellent taste you have, LunaHound.