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Bloodthirster wrote:Here's a truckload more rumours

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Oh and special thanx to the MW Union for bringing us these rumours

There are far too many contradictory rumours within that single post...

Many of those are very old.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

reds8n wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:That is probably because they're metal models. I shudder to consider the post-increase price...

Plastic actually.

Space Wolf Grey Hunter
This stunning Grey Hunter has been assembled using the forthcoming multi-part plastic box set; just one of the fantastic new Space Wolf sets coming in October!

Plastic? But where are the mold lines, seam gaps, and misaligned parts?

This must not have been assembled by a GW staffer...

They finally got someone that is GOOD with Photoshop to deal with those.

temprus wrote:They finally got someone that is GOOD with Photoshop to deal with those.

I lol'd!

So Space Wolves are to Space Marines as Ragnar is to Shrike...except better...

Will there be a Space Wolf Character that makes your Meltas and Flamers mastercrafted?

- It seems that Ragnar will be someone to regard with care. In addition to his neat profile, his inclusion in an army will give it fleet and the unit in which he is joined will be granted with Rending claws and one extra attack. Considering the dates certainly the Codex will be released in October, it will be presented in the English Games Day, which will be available by that time

whoa.

This will be brutal with 15 man squads.

Got an email today with a photo in of new spacewolf. Release in October, details on tomorrows blog and August WD


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General Mayhem wrote:Got an email today with a photo in of new spacewolf. Release in October, details on tomorrows blog and August WD

You did read this thread? No? OK...

Very little new in that huge wall of text, save the ideas that they'll boost Long Fangs' effectiveness, and Ragnar's army-wide fleet rule. Thanks for going through the effort of compiling the rumors though!

Fleet as a army wide special rule sounds fishy (not going to scream op or cheese, but you know).
Especially in an already combat orientated army. Maybe the pricetag will prevent this guy to be the leader of all wolf armies everywhere all the time.
Because that's what make games cool, you know, special characters and stuff.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Oh, there was a slight bit of sarcasm hidden in the post, maybe you can find it!

Schepp himself wrote:Fleet as a army wide special rule sounds fishy (not going to scream op or cheese, but you know).
Especially in an already combat orientated army. Maybe the pricetag will prevent this guy to be the leader of all wolf armies everywhere all the time.
Because that's what make games cool, you know, special characters and stuff.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Oh, there was a slight bit of sarcasm hidden in the post, maybe you can find it!

"Maybe the pricetag will prevent this guy to be the leader of all wolf armies everywhere all the time."
That must be the sarcasm because GW prices the worst characters as the most points (phoenix lords, tigurius, calgar) and the better ones for less! :p

I like how the "Incoming! Space Wolves!" article is the same thing we got emailed yesterday. Unless they changed it since I posted this, that is: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=800011a

The only thing I can see when I look at this new model is the massive sideburns.

If GW maintained a degree of consistency across the years when releasing Codexes for the big four (i.e. Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves & Ultramarines/Codex Chapters), I would be mildy interested in what was coming.

However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one. So what's the point?

Brother SRM wrote:I like how the "Incoming! Space Wolves!" article is the same thing we got emailed yesterday. Unless they changed it since I posted this, that is: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=800011a

I agree it is essentially the same info, I think they were just trying to plug the GW blog.

Flashman wrote:However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one.

Not so!

The title will still be "Codex: Space Wolves", and there will still be fighty "Blood Claws", regular "Grey Hunters", veteran "Wolf Guard", and shooty "Long Fangs"...

Beyond that, one cannot say.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Flashman wrote:However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one.

Not so!

The title will still be "Codex: Space Wolves", and there will still be fighty "Blood Claws", regular "Grey Hunters", veteran "Wolf Guard", and shooty "Long Fangs"...

Beyond that, one cannot say.

Oh snap! No wait, maybe not.

Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

combatmedic wrote:Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

In the GRIMDARK future of the 41st millenium, there is no forgiveness, ONLY WAR!

combatmedic wrote:Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

It's probably more of a lose the rule and move it to background only. Kind of like what the new Dark Angels codex did with the fallen, losing the rule that could give them VPs and just making it a fluff deal.


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perplexiti wrote:

combatmedic wrote:Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

It's probably more of a lose the rule and move it to background only. Kind of like what the new Dark Angels codex did with the fallen, losing the rule that could give them VPs and just making it a fluff deal.

The whole disliking each other should still be in the new codex, well I hope it is anyway.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Flashman wrote:However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one.

Not so!

The title will still be "Codex: Space Wolves", and there will still be fighty "Blood Claws", regular "Grey Hunters", veteran "Wolf Guard", and shooty "Long Fangs"...

Beyond that, one cannot say.

Ah, you misunderstand me.

I meant that Codex Space Wolves will bear no similarity to the next Space Marine Codex, for example, a new Codex Blood Angels. The rules/points values will be sufficiently different to make the last one redundant. There may have even been another edition of 40K between the two.

My argument is that the balance of Space Marine Codexes has been all over the place since 3rd. The following timeline maybe slightly out, so forgive me the odd error:

40K 3rd Edition
Codex Space Marines - 1st in the much maligned series of "thin" Codexes. Very little background material, but quite a lot of options to be fair.
Codex Blood Angels/Codex Dark Angels - Even thinner Codexes, you need Codex Space Marines for the unit profiles and some of the wargear rules. Blood Angels have red thirst and Death Company. Dark Angels get intractable and Hunt the Fallen.
Codex Space Wolves - Slightly thicker Codex and almost standalone, but I think Codex Space Marines is still required for tank profiles.
Eye of Terror - Thin supplement with add on rules for Salamanders and Black Templars. Again Codex Space Marines is needed.
40K 4th Edition - All Codexes released prior to this point remain valid
Codex Space Marines - Respectably thick Codex with chapter traits allowing you to add flavour to your chapter of choice.
Codex Black Templars - Completely different unit organisations and wargear options, so separate codex justified to some extent. BA, DA and SW players begin to sallivate.
Codex Dark Angels - Shock! Dark Angels may get some fancy new models, but lose all of the rules that infer their sinister nature. Worse still, practically all wargear options removed.
Codex Blood Angels - Shock 2! GW think so little of this major chapter, they don't release a proper Codex or new models. This is released via White Dwarf like it was Warhammer Armies - Kislev or something i.e. a fun add on. However, it arguably retains more of the Blood Angel's character (assault squads as troops) then Codex Dark Angels.
40K 5th Edition - All Codexes released prior to this point (unless superseded by new inferior versions) remain valid
Codex Space Marines - Nice thick Codex with tons of options, expanded wargear choices, better characters and cheaper tanks with greater capacities. DA and BA players go "Huh?" SW players give a sigh of relief that their Codex wasn't released in GW's "stupid" period.

In Fantasy, you might get the odd army book that is arguably more powerful, but at least they stick to roughly the same formula for each book. In 40K, they move the goal posts with each Codex.

I think we're on the same page, but focusing on different aspects.

For the record, I'm glad to see the SW getting an update and a proper Codex.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I think we're on the same page, but focusing on different aspects.

For the record, I'm glad to see the SW getting an update and a proper Codex.

Fair enough

I thought salamanders and black templars were in the armageddon supplement? I could be wrong, I just remember a lot of salamnder pics in WD and possibly the supplement. Any who back on topic I've started digging out the space wolves bits I have left ready for a new army. Looking forward to it!

40K 5th Edition - All Codexes released prior to this point (unless superseded by new inferior versions) remain valid
Codex Space Marines - Nice thick Codex with tons of options, expanded wargear choices, better characters and cheaper tanks with greater capacities. DA and BA players go "Huh?" SW players give a sigh of relief that their Codex wasn't released in GW's "stupid" period.

So true

GW's stupid period is over?

You guys have read the Guard Codex right?

H.B.M.C. wrote:GW's stupid period is over?

You guys have read the Guard Codex right?

I would say GW are having something of an epiphany with regards to making the books more interesting, but have yet to demonstrate that they can maintain a consistent approach for longer than two Codexes.


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grimbrandt wrote:I thought salamanders and black templars were in the armageddon supplement? I could be wrong, I just remember a lot of salamnder pics in WD and possibly the supplement. Any who back on topic I've started digging out the space wolves bits I have left ready for a new army. Looking forward to it!

You are indeed correct. Eye of Terror saw rules for the SW 13th Company (it's late over here, I'm tired) not Salamanders/Templars.

Lol I know I'm in the UK too! should probably ask to get my flag changed... As for being right... that makes a change!

Flashman wrote:I would say GW are having something of an epiphany with regards to making the books more interesting,

I've said that GW is applying the lessons of WFB to 40k to de-homogenize armies, but to also reduce overlap between army capabilities.

How dependent is the new SW codex going to be on the SM codex?

ProtoClone wrote:How dependent is the new SW codex going to be on the SM codex?

Independent. It's a codex. The most it'll be dependant on is possibly vehicles, but it'll have variants of it in this one. I have a feelign there won't be any dependance on the current SM codex.