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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Whereas with scattering blasts you have, depending on the unit size, 1/3rd plus {1,1}, {1,2},.... scatter results can still net you some hits, especially with no partials. Oh, and no modifiers due to cover, etc.

It is quite a lot better than it used to be!

Um , sorry to correct you but one uses the artillery dice not 2d6 for scatter therefore a scatter of 2" , 4" , etc . Anything from 4" or more will generally miss the target depending on the directing and size of the unit .

Leggy wrote:

Shep wrote:Cast amber spear from beast lore with a level 4. Level 4s are hard to stop.

If i'm taking a Spellweaver i'd much prefer to take lore of life.

Talking of magic, can the stank be affected by hexes, or is it just damage spells?

I'd take its rules to mean that no spell except one with a strength value can affect it.

So no hexes or augments... I'm basing this off of the sentence that says 'ignore all other spells'.

I think they successfully cast, but the product of the spell is lost.

They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

Aduro wrote:They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

ouch, that sucks..

I want to give GW a BIG thumbs-up for implementing some measure of version-tracking in these FAQs; highlighting changes makes life so much better.

Janthkin wrote:I want to give GW a BIG thumbs-up for implementing some measure of version-tracking in these FAQs; highlighting changes makes life so much better.

I agree a lot...

I was reading through it and noticed it about 4 pages in (stupid skaven FAQ)...

The steam tank thing for empire is rough... Pretty much ever lore has a spell that can instakill or heavily damage it.

Indeed. I heard they had new ones, downloaded it and was ready to compare it to the old one to try and find what changed. Quite pleasantly surprised to see the colors highlighting all the changes.

Thorheim wrote:In my Dwarf armybook it says "Dwarf Lords (but not Thanes) are of Royal Blood" but it says in the FAQ that I should change it too.... exactly that!

Are there some older versions still around with some misprint? Bought mine like 2-3 years ago >_>

Yes. My copy says "(but Thanes)".

Aduro wrote:They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

So the Steam Tank is dead.

Automatically fails initiative tests. Pit of Shades, Purple Sun, etc. Infernal Gateway will be nasty as well. Lore of Metal will absolutely destroy it. The Empire's reign as Warhammer's top army was very short lived

Therion wrote:

Aduro wrote:They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

So the Steam Tank is dead.

Automatically fails initiative tests. Pit of Shades, Purple Sun, etc. Infernal Gateway will be nasty as well. Lore of Metal will absolutely destroy it. The Empire's reign as Warhammer's top army was very short lived

lol you act like the steam tank was the reason that empire were going to be a power house...

Has nothing to do with tons of war machines and fairly cheap lords/hero's and rnf infantry....

Janthkin wrote:I want to give GW a BIG thumbs-up for implementing some measure of version-tracking in these FAQs; highlighting changes makes life so much better.

THIS, by a lot.

Noticing they got rid of the Ring of Hotek question. Guess they did nerf it then.

ShivanAngel wrote:

Therion wrote:

Aduro wrote:They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

So the Steam Tank is dead.

Automatically fails initiative tests. Pit of Shades, Purple Sun, etc. Infernal Gateway will be nasty as well. Lore of Metal will absolutely destroy it. The Empire's reign as Warhammer's top army was very short lived

lol you act like the steam tank was the reason that empire were going to be a power house...

Has nothing to do with tons of war machines and fairly cheap lords/hero's and rnf infantry....

Mortars and Great Cannons are awesome, sure, but they only make the army playable, not the best army in the game. When an already formidable army book got bolstered by a T10 unbreakable monster, it became outrageously good. That was removed. Pretty simple, eh?

Therion wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:

Therion wrote:

Aduro wrote:They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

So the Steam Tank is dead.

Automatically fails initiative tests. Pit of Shades, Purple Sun, etc. Infernal Gateway will be nasty as well. Lore of Metal will absolutely destroy it. The Empire's reign as Warhammer's top army was very short lived

lol you act like the steam tank was the reason that empire were going to be a power house...

Has nothing to do with tons of war machines and fairly cheap lords/hero's and rnf infantry....

Mortars and Great Cannons are awesome, sure, but they only make the army playable, not the best army in the game. When an already formidable army book got bolstered by a T10 unbreakable monster, it became outrageously good. That was removed. Pretty simple, eh?

Not really considering the tank was a 300 point unit asking to be tar-pitted by a stubborn block of cheap infantry... Empire are still a top tier army, even without the steam tank

Big Kudos to GW for updating thier Faq's. Lets hope this level of participation continues.

So they sold enough of the plastic Stank?

Slann can't cast transformation? weird.

Fanatics don't cause panic though! Yay!

Killjoy00 wrote:Slann can't cast transformation? weird.

Fanatics don't cause panic though! Yay!

yeah that is really wierd that they cant transform...

I guess its for fluff or power level reasons....

An etheral dragon is stupid nasty...

Therion wrote:

Aduro wrote:They updated the FAQs again. Has a new section for the Steam Tank as follows;

Steam Tank, Magic phase
Ignore this paragraph.

So the Steam Tank is dead.

Automatically fails initiative tests. Pit of Shades, Purple Sun, etc. Infernal Gateway will be nasty as well. Lore of Metal will absolutely destroy it. The Empire's reign as Warhammer's top army was very short lived

Two Minor Points.

The Steam Tank is a chariot, not a warmachine.

And being open to magic, also means that it can be healed by the Lore of Life.

I prefer it this way.

skrulnik wrote:So they sold enough of the plastic Stank?

Ha!

We went having the Steam Tank go from a 'must take' to a 'must not take' and we went from "GW hasn't sold enough plastic Steam Tanks!" to "They've sold enough!"

I think all this really means is "GW doesn't know what they want!" and that the FAQs/Updates are, perhaps, not as well thought out as they should be?

Or that their rules decisions aren't actually based on their sales desires.

Not that they are or are not well thought out.

well done to them for being so timely in the updates, hope they get a main rulebook FAQ out soon

Killjoy00 wrote:Or that their rules decisions aren't actually based on their sales desires.

Not that they are or are not well thought out.

Ha!

Some of their FAQ/Erratta decisions may not be based on sales, and future potential sales, but you can rest assured that MANY of their rules decisions (new rules editions and codex/army books) are DEFINITELY based upon moving miniatures.

Without a doubt!

I wonder how many people rushed to buy a steam tank after the first errata...

Mick

I've always hated the steam tank. If I ever face one in a game (strangely, in 11 years of WFB I've never fought one) I'm going to take much joy in destroying it.

I'm really surprised by the way GW has been handling 8th ed. Maybe this is a new change in GW where we will get updated rules fast and on time?

The slaan ruling makes no sense since hes counted as INFANTRY in the rulebook.. Bizarre

What, so models that dont use feet to move cant be counted as "on foot"? I guess no pirates with peg legs then either :(

sweet now dwarf cannons can reroll the first artillery die with a master engineer.. More boosts to warmachines. Wish every army could get drastic changes to obsolete options :p

Does this mean the casket of souls tears apart the steam tank?

The reason the Slann cannot cast transformation is he is NOT on foot, as the spell requires.

He has NEVER been able to use the "on foot" stuff, that has been consistent over 2 armybooks now.

Something else that was pointed out to me...Dwarf BSB's can take shields/equipment now. Empire one's still can't though. :(

Does anyone else notice the deal with Random Movement and charge reactions? Basically the way I'm reading it, the only thing you can do is "hold" - no flee, no stand and shoot, etc. Just made Doomwheels, HPA and Spawn that much better.