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It would be nice to say Tau...but oh how outdated they are

Do you guys think when tau get a new codex (after hell freezes over of course) they will be BS4? Because other armies have higher BS, and they are not purely shooting armies.

Dracos wrote:

edit: Just out of curiosity, how many points is the 9 hydras?

around 675 points

Even if they don't, I expect that their basic cost will go down, which is what they really need.

PraetorDave wrote:Do you guys think when tau get a new codex (after hell freezes over of course) they will be BS4? Because other armies have higher BS, and they are not purely shooting armies.

I doubt it; i imagine streamlining markerlights would be more in order

Odds are the Tau can take out two tanks per turn. I have never seen many other forces do that. Not even IG.

I play at my a shop out in Baton Rouge, LA(Little Wars) The IG players there *COWER* away when ever I field my tau army. and I quote "I am tired of being tabled by you in the first round"

Yea, IG is the best!

poontangler wrote:Odds are the Tau can take out two tanks per turn. I have never seen many other forces do that. Not even IG.

I play at my a shop out in Baton Rouge, LA(Little Wars) The IG players there *COWER* away when ever I field my tau army. and I quote "I am tired of being tabled by you in the first round"

Yea, IG is the best!




I doubt it; i imagine streamlining markerlights would be more in order

What do you mean stream lining marker lights? Marker-lights are awesome.

Must have never played against a Leafblower list before...

poontangler wrote:Odds are the Tau can take out two tanks per turn. I have never seen many other forces do that. Not even IG.

Two tanks, that's it? Don't get me wrong, I think Tau are a close second too (when played well, which is another matter in itself). But if you think destroying 2 tanks a turn is special you haven't seen anything. This, of course, is heavily dependent on the point value of the game in question. I'm curious as to what you mean "2 tanks a turn"... what certainty does you army have of accomplishing this? What armour value are you using to qualify a vehicle as a tank, if any?

WOW orks are #3!!

2000 Point games facing mech guard lists

I'm with Dracos, even being able to claim something like 90% certainty of downing two av13 - 14 vehicles only represents a fraction of the capability of the lists people are throwing around in this thread.


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And nobody has really defined "Best" yet. The various Marine lists are arguably some of the best at the best at shooting, taking a round of shots, and then being able to shoot BACK, or absorbing an alpha strike, while some of the more spammy lists like IG and DE can field more templates and guns, and Tau fall in the middle of the two camps.

In the end it all comes down to dice rolls and control, the Tau can do that.

And IG leafblower lists will "control" tau.

Cool story bro!


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Actually I have squared off against a "leaf blower"

I think the guy who came up with the list even stated a good bit of it had to do with luck.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:And IG leafblower lists will "control" tau.

Indeed. Start 2nd against the 2k Tau and I shall see you blow leaves for the rest of the game.

PraetorDave wrote:Do you guys think when tau get a new codex (after hell freezes over of course) they will be BS4? Because other armies have higher BS, and they are not purely shooting armies.

unlikely imo.... once gw publishes stats for a weapon or unit they are usually pretty reluctant to change them. it happens..... but not often. I think you're more likely to see improved marker light rules that will have the effect of improving the accuracy of the average tau fire warrior. for instance twin linking a squad instead of the current improve bs by 1. The other thing that I think is likely is some new units with improved ballistic skill. So tau armies as a general rule I think will become better shots, but fire warriors will stay bs3. if I had to guess. which I dont. but am doing regardless. right.

Davicus wrote:

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:And IG leafblower lists will "control" tau.

Indeed. Start 2nd against the 2k Tau and I shall see you blow leaves for the rest of the game.

So you're saying it's luck (of who gets the first turn) that would decide this matchup? Aside from meaningless innuendo, what kind of numbers can you throw up to support this assertion? And "just because stelek said it works" is not good enough. Supporting tactics summary? Anything of INTELLECTUAL value at all?

On the leafblower list: Darkwynn (attributed father of the list as we know it) has called it a monster gone out of control, as every major competitive tournament has had at least one or more of these lists in recent times. Go look through some back threads at Bell of Lost Souls and see what I mean. Granted it's not the list-to-end-all-lists, but it is a prime example of the kind of rediculous firepower the guard can UTILIZE. Other armies can match in quantity, or in quality, but I have yet to see an army blend the two together like the IG.

Hold on.

Tau Fire warriors(With the exception of the Honor Guard) WILL never have a bs of four. A BS of four denotes super human precision and skill, a BS of 3 is the skills of a well trained soldier.


But I agree with the statement that the IG blend Quality and Quantity. I am also not gonna pretend they suck, because the IG do not. But I wont lie to my self and pretend that I have never faced a leaf blower and held my own. I Have faced almost every army GW has(except Dark Eldar) with my tau, I have gotten whooped, and have crushed them.

2x HT with Devs = 12 shots str 6
3x3 HG = 18 shots str 8
6x30 Devilgants = 540 shots str 4
3x3 Devilfexs = 54 shots str 6

Not saying Tyranid are superior in shots. Just that it's a lot of shots No one would ever make a list or have the points to be able to do this...or do they? /joke/

Edit: Just calculted the Devilgants. To have that many you would need 6x30x10 = 1,800 points. ROFL

syypher wrote:2x HT with Devs = 12 shots str 6
3x3 HG = 18 shots str 8
6x30 Devilgants = 540 shots str 4
3x3 Devilfexs = 54 shots str 6

Not saying Tyranid are superior in shots. Just that it's a lot of shots No one would ever make a list or have the points to be able to do this...or do they? /joke/

Edit: Just calculted the Devilgants. To have that many you would need 6x30x10 = 1,800 points. ROFL

already brought up Devilgants XP didnt mention devilfexes or hive tyrants (cant remember if i said anything about hive guard)

I would have imagined orks second on the list, not Tau.

IG are obviously the best, but a ork shooty army could outdo Tau with shear number of shots.

For 10 firewarriors at 100 pts, you get 10 shots.
You can get 17 shoota boys for that, and you get 34 shots.

mathhammering everything...

If Tau shoot first, orks still win the firefight. If orks go first... they still win. *surprise*

And don't even mention the assault... anyways, when the pulse rifles are finally in rapid fire range, the orks can just wag and assault anyways, so Tau can't use their rapid fire weapons effectively...

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So you're saying it's luck (of who gets the first turn) that would decide this matchup? Aside from meaningless innuendo, what kind of numbers can you throw up to support this assertion? And "just because stelek said it works" is not good enough. Supporting tactics summary? Anything of INTELLECTUAL value at all?

On the leafblower list: Darkwynn (attributed father of the list as we know it) has called it a monster gone out of control, as every major competitive tournament has had at least one or more of these lists in recent times. Go look through some back threads at Bell of Lost Souls and see what I mean. Granted it's not the list-to-end-all-lists, but it is a prime example of the kind of rediculous firepower the guard can UTILIZE. Other armies can match in quantity, or in quality, but I have yet to see an army blend the two together like the IG.

And go look through how many have failed terribly at the list, not just the successful examples. Oh, I forgot you don't attend large events...

Yet more innuendo and no contributory information. Surprising...

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Yet more innuendo and no contributory information. Surprising...

You mean like the one I just quoted.

So let's look at some numbers, shall we?

As of this post:

257 people voted IG as the best shooting army, or roughly 52 percent of voters.

105 people voted for tau, or roughly 21 percent.

495 people voted. That means that 390 people DIDNT vote for Tau. Do you think each of those 390 people are stupider than you for not voting Tau just because Stelek Almighty said to?

So is anyone going to get into a real discussion about all of the things relevant to shooting other than how many heavy weapons you can buy or are you two just going to hop in here every 15 hours or so and have a stupid back-and-forth about some pseudo famous 40k tournament guy that isn't even taking part in this thread?

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So let's look at some numbers, shall we?

As of this post:

257 people voted IG as the best shooting army, or roughly 52 percent of voters.

105 people voted for tau, or roughly 21 percent.

495 people voted. That means that 390 people DIDNT vote for Tau. Do you think each of those 390 people are stupider than you for not voting Tau just because Stelek Almighty said to?

1) More people voting for it = THE FACT? Seriously are you naive or what?
So the result is Tau 2nd, Orks following closely behind as 3rd. Brilliant, my orks can shoot better than Space Marines or SWs.
2) You could previously vote for something more than once (ah yes, I know you aren't smart enough to realize that, just telling you). I voted 5 times for orks just for fun.

MikeMcSomething wrote:So is anyone going to get into a real discussion about all of the things relevant to shooting other than how many heavy weapons you can buy or are you two just going to hop in here every 15 hours or so and have a stupid back-and-forth about some pseudo famous 40k tournament guy that isn't even taking part in this thread?

I told him a fact about how many leaf blowing lists failed at event, he chose to bring up something irrelevant.

Go ahead and insult my intelligence, as if it will give your claims any merit.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Go ahead and insult my intelligence, as if it will give your claims any merit.

Instead of trying to act like the victim, why not try harder to make your points logical and more convincing.

Going by your logic, IG will be 1st, Tau 2nd (which everyone claims to be much lower than that), and Orks 3rd . Tell me this is correct

If you want to prove your point, you ve got to make sense.

poontangler wrote:Hold on.

Tau Fire warriors(With the exception of the Honor Guard) WILL never have a bs of four. A BS of four denotes super human precision and skill, a BS of 3 is the skills of a well trained soldier.


But I agree with the statement that the IG blend Quality and Quantity. I am also not gonna pretend they suck, because the IG do not. But I wont lie to my self and pretend that I have never faced a leaf blower and held my own. I Have faced almost every army GW has(except Dark Eldar) with my tau, I have gotten whooped, and have crushed them.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

So gretchin are well trained soldiers?