Predator Discussion

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**Melissia**

I don't think either of those are necessary. A TLCyclone Missile Launcher would suffice.

**Tyranic Marta**

Melissia wrote:I don't think either of those are necessary. A TLCyclone Missile Launcher would suffice.

You ah... dont quite get it do you? not everyone can get those???
I think the plasma addition is a good idea

it would bring a new dynamic to the game that i think would be awsome

**Melissia**

Tyranic Marta wrote:
Melissia wrote:I don't think either of those are necessary. A TLCyclone Missile Launcher would suffice.

You ah... dont quite get it do you?

I get it. I just don't care.

**Tyranic Marta**

and thats why im just giving up on this thread, because of people like you
people who jsut dont know when to accept that someone else is right and incorporate it into the disscussion instead of crushing it and moving on

**Melissia**

Tyranic Marta wrote:people who jsut dont know when to accept that someone else is right

Don't be so hard on yourself.

It is irrelevant that not all Marine armies have access to the exact same equipment. So what? Are you also gonna be pissed off that your blue marines don't have fast predators, or your grey marines don't have predators iwth assault cannons?

That's just part of the game buddy. Unless you want all Marines to be the same?

**Tyranic Marta**

no i dont care if i dont have the cyclone missle launcher, what i care about is that your trying to use it as a fix for predators.. when in this case it clearly matters that i cant get it

why not just use the plasma set up that a few people have suggested?? it solves the problems faced.

and besides, adding a missle rack to a predator is like taking a whilwind, if you want missles, TAKE a whirlwind

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Whirlwind: S 5 AP 4 Barrage Weapon/S4 AP 5 Ignores Cover

Cyclone Missile Launcher: S 4 AP 6 Blast/S8 AP 3

The two serve completely different functions, as anyone who had even glanced at the weapons could tell you.

**Ledabot**

I might bookmark this just for the arguements.

**Tyranic Marta**

*sigh*

its not the point, your all saying that we should have ANOUTHER weapon that MEQ can take with a missle mounting, isnt the teminator, landspeeder, whirlwind, droppod, enough?

not to mention most if not all vehicles being equipped with hunter seeker missles

add any ive missed?

**Melissia**

No, my suggestion was to raise the cost of the predator but make its autocannon twin-linked. I merely said I'm okay with a plasma cannon turret/sponsons, or the TL CML. Certainly much better than that stupid suggestion to give a blast to autocannons, or AP1 to blast weapons that penetrate.

**Tyranic Marta**

ok i understand, sorry

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and i just gave the idea to add blast to the autocannons as an offhand thing but people have pretty much made me argue the point or else make me look like someone who doesnt know what they are talking about... which true or otherwise i really loath.. so meh

moving on?

i think that pretty much everyone agrees that the predator needs to have more or at least, upgraded weapon mounts.

so far the plasma cannon and twin linked autocannons have been (imo) good suggestions, the cyclone, not so much

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Predator: 65 Points

BS 4 Armor: 13/11/10

Weapons: Twin Linked Autocannon

Upgrades: Replace TL Autocannon with...
Twin Linked Lascannon: +25 Points
Twin Linked Plasma Cannon: +35 Points

Take Heavy Bolter Sponsons for +25 Points
or Plasma Cannon Sponsons for +45 Points
Or Lascannon Sponsons for +60 Points

Other Options: Unchanged

**Guaiwu**

Tyranic Marta wrote:no i dont care if i dont have the cyclone missle launcher, what i care about is that your trying to use it as a fix for predators.. when in this case it clearly matters that i cant get it

why not just use the plasma set up that a few people have suggested?? it solves the problems faced.

and besides, adding a missle rack to a predator is like taking a whilwind, if you want missles, TAKE a whirlwind

If you are so intent on having the same weapon options as marines ..... PLAY MARINES!

The chaos pred could be fixed in a so much cooler way than the Vanilla Pred, how about mounting some slaaneshy guns? Marks for vehicles? You don't need the marines kit. Hasn't 10,000 years in the warp taught you anything?

**Tyranic Marta**

ugh slaasneshy guns are good but they can only kill infantry, which isnt what is needed on most chaos preds, light vehichle killy is more needed

*facepalm* seriously im not intent on having the same weapons systems as marines, i loath their guts, i just fet a bit sour when they have like at least 5 additional types of vehicles as chaos and what do we get for it? blits and defilers, which dont get me wrong, are cool, but they arnt the same as the versatility that having that many vehicle choices gives. I would love to run my havoks in a razorback for example, but i dont get that option, my noise marines would be well backed up by a landspeer squad, but i cant have that either.

some dedicated chaosy units would be nice.

and back to the the defiler and the blit, sure we have those, but they cant fill some of the roles as say a landspeeder or a whirlwind.

**Guaiwu**

Tyranic Marta wrote:ugh slaasneshy guns are good but they can only kill infantry, which isnt what is needed on most chaos preds, light vehichle killy is more needed

*facepalm* seriously im not intent on having the same weapons systems as marines, i loath their guts, i just fet a bit sour when they have like at least 5 additional types of vehicles as chaos and what do we get for it? blits and defilers, which dont get me wrong, are cool, but they arnt the same as the versatility that having that many vehicle choices gives. I would love to run my havoks in a razorback for example, but i dont get that option, my noise marines would be well backed up by a landspeer squad, but i cant have that either.

some dedicated chaosy units would be nice.

and back to the the defiler and the blit, sure we have those, but they cant fill some of the roles as say a landspeeder or a whirlwind.

Being that I do own, and greatly enjoy playing, a Nurgle force, I can appreciate where you are coming from, but ultimately chaos is not about speeding around and tactically dominating the opponent, they win the battle by brute force, which is what many of the units do well. What I would like to see is more monster units (tricking out possessed to not suck would be nice) and crazy powerful vehicles that so befit the chaos philosophy.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Tyranic Marta wrote:blits and defilers, which dont get me wrong, are cool, but they arnt the same as the versatility that having that many vehicle choices gives.

Blits as in Olbiterators as in the most versatile unit in the entire game? Sure, it's not very fun to play with them all the time, but to claim that the Chaos Codex doesn't have as much versatility is kinda bad...

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines split after the Horus Heresy. Since then, the Space Marines have been(slowly) developing and discovering new vehicles, such as the Vindicator, Razorback, all extra Land Raider variants, and probably Whirlwinds as well. The reason we have stuff you don't is because we've been developing them for thousands of years, whereas you've been hanging in the Eye of Terror, which isn't exactly the best place for creating new Vehicles.

**Tyranic Marta**

maybe not, but you would expect that chaos being chaos, they would find a way to make themselfs betyter than the imperium

i can totally see some chaos dude looking at a whirlwind and then looking at his friend

"Dude we have totally gotta get one of those"

**Melissia**

I'd like to see stalk-tanks from the Gaunt's Ghosts series for Chaos, myself.

Maybe for LatD instead of CSMs, though.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

"Except ours will have demonically possessed missiles that explode and release a demon that eats everything within a 30 mile radius"

Seriously, though, the Chaos Space Marines have a negligible industrial capacity. They probably couldn't produce many even if they did get their hands on the blueprints.

**Tyranic Marta**

they produce warhound titans dont they?

**Melissia**

IIRC, they steal them most of the time.

**Tyranic Marta**

*shrug* I dont care HOW they get the gear as long as they get it

couldnt they make deals with the daemon forges to make daemon vehicles for them?

**ChrisWWII**

Tyranic Marta wrote:*shrug* I dont care HOW they get the gear as long as they get it

couldnt they make deals with the daemon forges to make daemon vehicles for them?

Which are things like Defilers and Soul Grinders. Most of their ships and larger vehicles are stolen from the Imperium, or are the original equipment the traitor legions had during the Horus Heresy.

**Tyranic Marta**

my point still stands

**Melissia**

Not really...

Daemon forges make things for daemons. They are not aligned to any chaos god, and in fact, when you have something made for you by the daemon forge, you must swear allegiance to the demon forge to use it.

**Tyranic Marta**

Tyranic Marta wrote:*shrug* I dont care HOW they get the gear as long as they get it

that part of my point

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

We're getting off topic.

**ChrisWWII**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:We're getting off topic.

**CageUF**

CSM could us a few more defiler like options... a speeder replacement perhaps, and for the love of the Kaos gods a new dreadnought.