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So... Is this still a thing that is happening?

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:So... Is this still a thing that is happening?

It is, however due my work schedule, new projects, and difficulty with the psychic powers list, it's currently on temporary hiatus until I can refocus my efforts onto it. The reason I've switched projects is to give myself a break, as this one was burning me out (especially with all the extra effort that goes into reworking the other sections as well, such as adding new features).

So never fear, this project is still ongoing, it's just on hold for the time being while I recharge my batteries on other things.

I would really like to encourage you to finish your work here, that is great.
Also, if you like some help and an exchange of ideas about your work or about the rules you're going to write for Psi-Powers, you can count on me.
I've been playing since first edition of WH40K and I have plenty of collections of "House Rules" articles, new Wargear, Psi-Powers and so on! So I could easely help you with some ideas...
Again, I congratulate with you for this excellent Chapter Creator!

Anglachel wrote:I would really like to encourage you to finish your work here, that is great.
Also, if you like some help and an exchange of ideas about your work or about the rules you're going to write for Psi-Powers, you can count on me.
I've been playing since first edition of WH40K and I have plenty of collections of "House Rules" articles, new Wargear, Psi-Powers and so on! So I could easely help you with some ideas...
Again, I congratulate with you for this excellent Chapter Creator!

It'll get finished, but with me working retail and trying to finish and recharging myself on Codex: Iron Hands, the Chapter Creator has taken a back seat. It'll get done, but it's just a matter of when I have some free time is all.

This is not to take away at all from Marik's amazing work, but people have to remember that it is a guideline. I fully intend to use the chapter creator as is and make my own psychic powers and try to balance them out. When Marik gets to finishing the creator, I'll compare and see what may need adjusting. In the end, any fan-dex, even if based off of a commonly used chapter creator, is going to need approved by those you are playing against. An uber-amazing could easily be made using the creator I'm sure, so it all comes down to people being honest and fair about how they make their armies. I'll probably actually compile a codex for my Chapter sometime soon. I've been real busy lately and am looking forward to jumping back into some 40k.

Of course Rocketmike! I was encouraging Marik not because I wouldn't be able to finish by myself the work he has done, but because it seems to me so well done, and balanced that I was curious to see it finished!
The uber thing you are talking about is always possible in the ambient of competitive playing of WH40K: you can always pile up special rules and equipment and have tactical marines worth 50 Pts each.
I like very much the setting of the Dark Millennium so when I create a new Chapter or Fundex, I always try to make things very balanced and respectful of the background.
The real problem to me seems that GW itself made some errors in the last few Codexes published. Maybe they needed to sell, but for example Dark Eldar, are totally uber! Very difficult to play against. And in the last few tournment I've been I had the proof of it: the Finals were all between the latest Codexed (DE, BA, GK...) and not an old Codex was in for it!
However, I'm using this Chapter Creator to have fun in my club where other people were trying to create new Chapters, and using it for fair-play, I must say that it works very well! So go on Marik, don't hurry but go on! Bye!

Great to hear how many people appreciate my work on this project. It took me days worth of work during my personal time to get this finished and after many re-writes I was finally happy with the final product.

Thank you all for your amazing support.

Nice, can't wait to see the finished product when you do get around to getting it done.... I still have the original you made up and it looked good to me.... I've been away from 40K for about 2 months or so, so I need to get back into it....

This picture pretty much sums up just how I feel trying to get the psychic powers section done.

http://i.imgur.com/WEKwE.gif

This is beautiful and you are beautiful for making it D:

Marik Law wrote:This picture pretty much sums up just how I feel trying to get the psychic powers section done.

http://i.imgur.com/WEKwE.gif

Bahahahah.
How far on it have you got?

I hope you begin to be successful, is something specific stopping you?

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:

Marik Law wrote:This picture pretty much sums up just how I feel trying to get the psychic powers section done.

http://i.imgur.com/WEKwE.gif

Bahahahah.
How far on it have you got?

Lord Magnus wrote:I hope you begin to be successful, is something specific stopping you?

Mainly just the amount of work involved with the psychic section alone. It is seriously more work than any other section I've worked on so far, mainly due to all the parameters that can be available to various psychic powers. After I have the parameters its a matter of making sure everything is costed fairly and that there are no abusable combinations of parameters/effects.

In retrospect I could have just cheated and included a massive list of the various psychic powers that have manifested themselves over the course of the history of the game.

At this point I'm thinking of just making a few lists of 7-10 psychic powers that players can choose from.

This. Is. AMAZING!!!!!

I have always wanted a comprehensive chapter creator like this, and now, thanks to you, I can have my DIY chapter's Master of Sanctity riding a cyber-dragon that breathes plasma and tears stuff to shreds.

Just a quick question.

So I am making a super robot lizard using the "monstrous" creatures rules.
I give him up to 100 points of stuff that directly applies to him, from the creature section.
I then give him unique wargear that is a chapter relic, such as:
A flamestorm cannon with +1 str and -1 AP (he breathes plasma, I use the wargear upgrades on his fire-breath attribute)
Claws that are power/phasing/powerful/etc, as another piece of wargear that the beast gets. (the basic close combat weapon is 0 points, then add stuff on top of that)

Is this okay?
I really like the idea of a "beast" getting wargear, and it fits with my chapter fluff, with it being a robot dragon in the first place.

But my big question is this:
Is this how you intended the rules to be used, Marik Law?
It seems like you say "any model that already has a similar weapon can use a custom made weapon of the same type" so "better claws" and "better fire" both apply to my cyber-dragon.

I am also making a captain that rides around in tanks all the time, but that is a whole different cake.
Keep up the great work!

RUUUUN! ISH GOZIRRA!

My only suggestion for Psi-Powers can be that you treat them as "items" that affect one (or more) part\s of the game rules. For example the items\parts of the game to which I refer could be: Movement, Cover, Terrain, Shooting, Stats, Weapons, CC, Morale, Universal Special Rules, etc. Once you have selected one item, you select whether the Power you are creating affects enemy or friendly models, including limitations or enhacements like "self" or "entire enemy Unit" etc.
Every kinf of effect, bonus, enhacement could have a cost, but as most of the Librarians' powers are free in the game, you could give a Chapter an amount of Psi-Points, with which the player must create the whole section of Psi-Powers in choice of the Chapter being created. SO a Chapter could have very few, powerful Psi-Powers of choice, or a lot, less powerful powers.
Of course this is only a little brainstorming for you and I'm, like you, very troubled in thinking about the way to solve the problem.
I know that some of these ideas (or the sum of them all) could reveal very complex but I think that you have a good synthetizing attitude, and I hope that you could be inspired by some of these suggestions!
Go on, for sure you will have a good work done, and with a little effort, a good base you could use for other Races\Codexes too...

OmegaStriker wrote:This. Is. AMAZING!!!!!

I have always wanted a comprehensive chapter creator like this, and now, thanks to you, I can have my DIY chapter's Master of Sanctity riding a cyber-dragon that breathes plasma and tears stuff to shreds.

Just a quick question.

So I am making a super robot lizard using the "monstrous" creatures rules.
I give him up to 100 points of stuff that directly applies to him, from the creature section.
I then give him unique wargear that is a chapter relic, such as:
A flamestorm cannon with +1 str and -1 AP (he breathes plasma, I use the wargear upgrades on his fire-breath attribute)
Claws that are power/phasing/powerful/etc, as another piece of wargear that the beast gets. (the basic close combat weapon is 0 points, then add stuff on top of that)

Is this okay?
I really like the idea of a "beast" getting wargear, and it fits with my chapter fluff, with it being a robot dragon in the first place.

But my big question is this:
Is this how you intended the rules to be used, Marik Law?
It seems like you say "any model that already has a similar weapon can use a custom made weapon of the same type" so "better claws" and "better fire" both apply to my cyber-dragon.

I am also making a captain that rides around in tanks all the time, but that is a whole different cake.
Keep up the great work!

Beasts can't take wargear sadly, thus aren't privy to using custom made wargear. They are the only section in the book that can't be given wargear, so you're pretty much stuck with the options available in that section unless stated otherwise.

Not sure how I missed this one.
Stunning piece of work to date, well done.

Another idea I could give you to solve the problem of Psi-Powers for Librarians is to consider the Background of the Legio Astartes and the Founding of the Chapters (Second, Third Founding and so on...). Each of the new 1000 Chapters comes from a former Loyalist Legion (including the 1st Founding Chapters). So, as is foundamental for a player creating a Chapter to define the background of the new created Chapter, you could simply keep the Psi-Power in the SM Codex as generic, and if the new Chapter comes from Blood Angels (for example) mix the Generic Psi-Pows with the Blood Angels' Psi-Pows, up to a specified number of power per Chapter. Of course you will tell me that a lot of 1st Founding Chapters don't have a Codex, BUT: just to extrapolate Psi-Powers to use for other Asartes Legions, you could consult the Deathwatch RPG Core Book and the expansion First Founding, to have all the Powers used by most of the first loyalist Legions. I think that only Imperial Fists and Ultramarines are not covered in those manuals but...more generic and Codex observing than those Legions I think you cannot find, so you could use the generic Psi-Pows from the SM Codex for them...
It's a lot of work to convert those powers from the RPG, but when you would have finished, I think that could be a good job for everyone!!! It's only another crazy suggestion from Italy!!! Bye, never give up!!

what I think would work is this sort of thing:

+1 strength- {insert number} points
-1 strength- (minus){insert number} points
-1 AP- {insert number} points
+1 AP (minus){insert number} points
etc.
and please include number of shots, heavy or assault, at +number Ld or -number Ld, makes them take str tests at + or -, and what happens if they fail, make 'em do Ld tests, that sorta stuff. It will probably be shooting attacks in it's basic form. maybe a regen spell?


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what I think would work is this sort of thing:

+1 strength- {insert number} points
-1 strength- (minus){insert number} points
-1 AP- {insert number} points
+1 AP (minus){insert number} points
etc.
and please include number of shots, heavy or assault, at +number Ld or -number Ld, makes them take str tests at + or -, and what happens if they fail, make 'em do Ld tests, that sorta stuff. It will probably be shooting attacks in it's basic form. maybe a regen spell? more wounds and easier casting would be points for the points god. hope this helps, seeing as this is my first post. *sound of me punching fist in air* "I am a lurker no longer!!"


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I lurked for 3 years you know.

Otis The Barbarian wrote:what I think would work is this sort of thing:

+1 strength- {insert number} points
-1 strength- (minus){insert number} points
-1 AP- {insert number} points
+1 AP (minus){insert number} points
etc.
and please include number of shots, heavy or assault, at +number Ld or -number Ld, makes them take str tests at + or -, and what happens if they fail, make 'em do Ld tests, that sorta stuff. It will probably be shooting attacks in it's basic form. maybe a regen spell?


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what I think would work is this sort of thing:

+1 strength- {insert number} points
-1 strength- (minus){insert number} points
-1 AP- {insert number} points
+1 AP (minus){insert number} points
etc.
and please include number of shots, heavy or assault, at +number Ld or -number Ld, makes them take str tests at + or -, and what happens if they fail, make 'em do Ld tests, that sorta stuff. It will probably be shooting attacks in it's basic form. maybe a regen spell? more wounds and easier casting would be points for the points god. hope this helps, seeing as this is my first post. *sound of me punching fist in air* "I am a lurker no longer!!"


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I lurked for 3 years you know.

I don't quite understand what you're asking for or wanting here. :( Sorry.

it's a style of rules making where you can... well, the big thing I did lots of typing on is a sort of template for a shooting attack, I suppose.

Otis The Barbarian wrote:it's a style of rules making where you can... well, the big thing I did lots of typing on is a sort of template for a shooting attack, I suppose.

Ah. I tried doing this before, found that it was too easily abusable, which is why I used the current system.

YOu also need some examples of chapters.
Use a chapter you have made as an example or you could ask someone else to do it.

Marik Law wrote:Ah. I tried doing this before, found that it was too easily abusable, which is why I used the current system.

too abusable? how?

Not only are these rules more complete and varied than most GW products, the entire document is extremely polished.

I'm simply blown away by the depth and obvious amount of time spent crafting this. I strongly encourage you to finish this, or at least recruit some people to help!

Otis The Barbarian wrote:

Marik Law wrote:Ah. I tried doing this before, found that it was too easily abusable, which is why I used the current system.

too abusable? how?

The problem with static points costs in terms of weapons is that if you price them too high, lower power weapons are overcosted. Price them too low and it's easy to create uber-powerful weapons for really low points costs, thus causing problems for game balance.

The only fair way to go about it would be to make a math formula to create a "curve" in the points costs, sadly this would add a bit more difficulty and confusion to the creation process which I wanted to avoid.

Look, maybe I repeat myself: I think you only have to make some Generic Powers (like those in SM Codex) and some that come from the Legion your chapter has born from.
As you have to include that origin in your background I think it can be simple. As Psi-Powers for SM don't have a point cost, you cannot go mad creating a set of rules to create (again!) a Psi-Power. Also with you weapon modification rules you have decided to start from a fixed weapon profile, which is the right thing!

Anglachel wrote:Look, maybe I repeat myself: I think you only have to make some Generic Powers (like those in SM Codex) and some that come from the Legion your chapter has born from.
As you have to include that origin in your background I think it can be simple. As Psi-Powers for SM don't have a point cost, you cannot go mad creating a set of rules to create (again!) a Psi-Power. Also with you weapon modification rules you have decided to start from a fixed weapon profile, which is the right thing!

I saw your original post Ang, I am not ignoring you. If anything I said something similar earlier and am seriously considering following through with a plan similar to this one.

I would love to help with the psychic powers, if you need/want any. Let me know!