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Remulus wrote:This sounds epic! Though im really disapointed pariahs are gone!

Eh, Pariahs looked good on paper, but they've been an overpriced speed bump IMHO.

King Pariah wrote:

Remulus wrote:This sounds epic! Though im really disapointed pariahs are gone!

Eh, Pariahs looked good on paper, but they've been an overpriced speed bump IMHO.

Doesn't mean they should be removed entirely, though. Everything else is getting reworked, might as well keep them around and make them work.
But then, for all we know they're just getting a new title.

King Pariah wrote:

Remulus wrote:This sounds epic! Though im really disapointed pariahs are gone!

Eh, Pariahs looked good on paper, but they've been an overpriced speed bump IMHO.

Mechanically, they can be fixed/reworked, so I can see no advantage in getting rid of one of the units with the greatest potential for characterization, something the Necrons need as a faction fluffwise. Not to mention, Pariahs, like Psykers, vary in power. The strongest are from what I hear capable of killing (Not banishing, KILLING) Greater Daemons, and there was in fact one Pariah who was speculated to be so strong his presence would have been capable of killing the Emperor.

Because I am far too lazy to read through 65 pages, would anyone mind informing this newbie of some of the rumours of the Necron codex? Necrons are my favorite faction and stuff, so am interested in what has been said about the upcoming codex. PAriahs being taken out is unfortunate though, IMO.

@Void_Dragon - Just read the first page, Yakface's post. That sums it up quite nicely, most of the other pages are matt ward hate and wishlisting.

Rumors are that Necrons are one of the first of the codices that is built for use with 6th edition. http://bloodofkittens.com/network/members/rideroftheerk/activity/14616/
Another part of that post rumors that the phases in a turn are changing to:
Prepare
Movement
Assault
Shooting
Consolidate

That makes a lot of sense with what Yakface was saying about the replacement for WWB taking place after moral checks (which are to happen during the Consolidate phase) rather than at the beginning of the next turn.

What this does this do to our problem with Sweeping Advance? Initially, I'd say that it makes them worse, but our CC units are rumored to get fearless (Wraiths, Scarabs, and Tomb Spyders).

Anyone else have an interpretation of Yakface's rumors in like of these 6th edition rumors?

... Assault before shoting? That doesn't make sense..

no it doesnt, but necrons are rulebreakers, I am very excited for the new codex!!!

necr0n wrote:... Assault before shoting? That doesn't make sense..

if this is true for 6th edition i will be sad. i mean, shooting before assault is just... smart. weaken em before you through your face at em.

That and Necron weapons are Rapid Fire.

If you want to do any shooting Assault is off the cards..

Though you have to admit, that would make it a bigger dichotomy between different 'types' of units. Orks, for example. Right now, Shootaboyz are 'better' because you can shoot with 2 shots before charging. If it's Assault before Shooting, then Shootaboyz and Sluggaboyz are going to be completely different. Also, the dynamics of Transports will change, a whole, whole lot. Combi-Meltas, and meltaguns in general, will be a lot less useful, since you won't be able to 'pop' a transport, then assault the contents. If you want to pop transports, you'll need to either use a separate unit, or be willing to get charged next round, unless you could charge, melee pop a transport, then shoot the disembarked passengers?

I think it's mostly just a bigger risk/reward, and encourages greater unit synergy. I might have to try and get someone to play a game that way sometime, see how it goes.

I dont like the new Gauss rules or that a C'tan is in elites and is less special. As much as i love the necrons Im not sure immortals as troops is quite fair.

All the new special characters and transports is awsome. Scarabs look like they'r gonna be super fun.

It looks like Necrons will be a popular and powerful army once again.

Ascalam wrote:That and Necron weapons are Rapid Fire.

If you want to do any shooting Assault is off the cards..

which is fine for tau and eldar atm, necrons too. armies where assault isnt a strong point even when weakening your opponent.

Anvildude wrote:Though you have to admit, that would make it a bigger dichotomy between different 'types' of units. Orks, for example. Right now, Shootaboyz are 'better' because you can shoot with 2 shots before charging. If it's Assault before Shooting, then Shootaboyz and Sluggaboyz are going to be completely different. Also, the dynamics of Transports will change, a whole, whole lot. Combi-Meltas, and meltaguns in general, will be a lot less useful, since you won't be able to 'pop' a transport, then assault the contents. If you want to pop transports, you'll need to either use a separate unit, or be willing to get charged next round, unless you could charge, melee pop a transport, then shoot the disembarked passengers?

I think it's mostly just a bigger risk/reward, and encourages greater unit synergy. I might have to try and get someone to play a game that way sometime, see how it goes.

30 ork boyz shoot with pistols and then assault is still more effective then just 30 boyz assaulting. it really doesnt matter on the army tbh. shootaboyz or no, your still losing a big advantage. i see it more as, there will be alot more shooting armies, going by the current codex options. until a codex is updated to assault then shoot, shooting will be more effective since its harder to lose your own units on your own turn.

I am admittedly not keen on the rumors of the changes to the C'tan fluff at all, nor am I liking them being demoted to Elite units. I never thought they should be useable in games to begin with, to be honest.

Pariahs being gone is similarly lame.

Meh... Will wait until the codex comes out until I do anything like jump on the Ward-hate bandwagon.

Maybe You will be able to fire Assault Weapons on the Assault Phase.

Who would use Pistols or Flamers if you have to stand there and take a charge after using them.

Tyrs13 wrote:Maybe You will be able to fire Assault Weapons on the Assault Phase.

Who would use Pistols or Flamers if you have to stand there and take a charge after using them.

exactly. i mean, unless your THAT good at cc with defence grenades.

Void__Dragon wrote:I am admittedly not keen on the rumors of the changes to the C'tan fluff at all, nor am I liking them being demoted to Elite units. I never thought they should be useable in games to begin with, to be honest.

Pariahs being gone is similarly lame.

Meh... Will wait until the codex comes out until I do anything like jump on the Ward-hate bandwagon.

It's matt ward. Anything that sounds stupid, fluff-altering, dumb, insulting and stupid is probably true. The guy probably wipes his own butt with pages of old awesome, amazing and respectable fluff.

Also, 6th edition rumors sound fake for 2 reasons:
Conflict with the rumor that the starter set won't include "warriors of roboute gullyman" which I take to mean all marines, not just ultramarines but tis still possible.
MASSIVE faq project to bring current codicies up to date.
Seriously? Guys, guys.... guys... I'm sure you're all aware of how slow GW is when it comes to releasing FAQs. It took 3 months for the DE FAQ to come out and almost as long for GK dex to come out. There are ONLY 12 months in the year. And not to mention the amount of time it took them to release an FAQ that updated Black Templars and Dark Angel's common imperial wargear to 5e stats.
I highly REALLY SERIOUSLY PERILOUSLY do not believe that GW is capable of this.

True terranarc GW is Slow to do anything ...
But i believe in their stupidity is in even more excess.

They could very well screw the Faq overhaul and make you wait 3 years for your Faq to come out after the release.

They did say Black Templar though so there are SM ... even still they may want to make a big thing with the SM Codex the following month or hell take the entire next Year to praise it.

None of the above would surprise me ....

But also note every 4-5 years we get a new Rule Set.
(Check the Release Dates 5th was 2008)

No phase out=Hell Yeah
Nerfed WBB=Wha...?
No Pariahs=Whah!!!

C'tan as customisable elites make no sense
oh well, hopefully the dex will make us able to make the similar to the 4 (especially Nightbringer)

terranarc wrote:
It's matt ward. Anything that sounds stupid, fluff-altering, dumb, insulting and stupid is probably true. The guy probably wipes his own butt with pages of old awesome, amazing and respectable fluff.

Yeah, I know.

I'd rather C'tan be stricken from the fluff altogether than be rendered the buttmonkeys of the Necrons.

kenzosan wrote:

ryanstartalker wrote:
Which would count towards personal equipment that is nothing near what other armies call "FNP"...

omg! a space marine doesnt have fnp! an army has something over sm's! omg, rewrite the codex! now

BA can have a full FNP army...
So what GW is teling me, a robot that can rebuild it's self is LESS resilient than a blood-crazed marine?

Well they are nerfing Cover Saves to 5+ (Supposedly) so Maybe FNP will be nerfed down to 5+.

Maybe the Necrons well be getting a hand with the ability to bring it up to a 4+ (Rez Orb).

Hell we are losing our 3+ armor so Maybe Necrons are not as Resilient as SMs and their Inferior Technology.

I know that if they make FNP 5+ the SMs who can do it will seem alot more balanced.
And the necrons who can spend the points to get it to 4+ will then be on par (I Guess, not doing the math).

We will have to wait and see ... i need to see point costs/rules before comparing Armies.

It's not marines.

Comparison done.




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I'm getting to be a cynic in my old age, i guess..

Marines uber alles is getting a bit old.

yes, they aren't marines...
They are robots who, apperently, are meant to be ale to repair themselves very easily.

Made of living metal ...

^
Exactly

they arent marines, they are super advanced living metal, that are weaker then marines >_>

i know its been said, but that seems to be a trend on this page

still, it is a bit stupid.

Odd, I seem to recall Necrons being more endurant than Marines, with bolter-fire in the fluff not actually being able to faze them. As for physical strength, cannot recall if a comparison has been drawn.

Marines are more agile and quicker than Necrons though, and since most Necrons are automatons, Space Marines are also more adaptible.

Void__Dragon wrote:Odd, I seem to recall Necrons being more endurant than Marines, with bolter-fire in the fluff not actually being able to faze them. As for physical strength, cannot recall if a comparison has been drawn.

Marines are more agile and quicker than Necrons though, and since most Necrons are automatons, Space Marines are also more adaptible.

that says nothing for equipment.

a necrons bs should be atleast on par. a necrons toughness, thats debatable given how gw works toughness (crisis suits = sm -_-), but atleast on par. a necrons armour save should be atleast on par with sm.

see what im saying here. an ADVANCED "species" where we cant even explain how the things they make work is weaker (rarely equal) then the apex of human technology.

im not a necron player, i do have a sm ba army, but that doesnt mean i ignore logic. thus the crisis suit comment earlier.

kenzosan wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:Odd, I seem to recall Necrons being more endurant than Marines, with bolter-fire in the fluff not actually being able to faze them. As for physical strength, cannot recall if a comparison has been drawn.

Marines are more agile and quicker than Necrons though, and since most Necrons are automatons, Space Marines are also more adaptible.

that says nothing for equipment.

a necrons bs should be atleast on par. a necrons toughness, thats debatable given how gw works toughness (crisis suits = sm -_-), but atleast on par. a necrons armour save should be atleast on par with sm.

see what im saying here. an ADVANCED "species" where we cant even explain how the things they make work is weaker (rarely equal) then the apex of human technology.

im not a necron player, i do have a sm ba army, but that doesnt mean i ignore logic. thus the crisis suit comment earlier.

Oh, sorry, I misinterpreted what you were saying.

Yeah, Necrons are the most advanced race in the galaxy, by far, and Living Metal has consistently been shown to be awesome as hell. Their technology is capable of achieving things the Imperium can only dream of. Although, to be fair to Marines, they also have the geneseed of essential Demigods, although I cannot recall if that actually does anything to make them stronger in of itself.