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Moloch wrote:Nope.

Well don't hold back Moloch. The cat's out of the bag as far as the Trygon goes, and we knew you knew about it. Might as well stop the hysterical rumours and just tell us what else can be taken as HQ.

puma713 wrote:Supposedly, their BS has been increased. <shrug>

As it fething should. The mono-dimensional way GW handles their fluff-to-rules translations is really annoying. It's why all Orks are BS2... even the ones that spend their whole lives shooting. Tyranids shouldn't be bad at shooting - sure some of them should be incapable of it - but those evolved for shooting should be capable of shooting and shooting well.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Moloch wrote:Nope.

Well don't hold back Moloch. The cat's out of the bag as far as the Trygon goes, and we knew you knew about it. Might as well stop the hysterical rumours and just tell us what else can be taken as HQ.

Just saying that there might be a couple of kittens left in the bag...

What?

A Trykitten?!

Holy crap!

How big is a pyrovore? as good looking as it is , the price is very similar to Trygon , which means we should get 3 Trygon before getting pyrovore!

Moloch wrote:Just saying that there might be a couple of kittens left in the bag...

You mean more new units that won't get models for another 6-24 months! Wow!

Aren't release waves totally the bestest idea ever!

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Sorry no pics as they are not permitted by my source... who also has the codex at his house.

I prefer the 'I'm an anteater' look with arms spread wide in diabolically surprising splendor.

Admit it. You have just been waiting for an chance to use that picture come hell or high water.

Steelmage99 wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Sorry no pics as they are not permitted by my source... who also has the codex at his house.

I prefer the 'I'm an anteater' look with arms spread wide in diabolically surprising splendor.

Admit it. You have just been waiting for an chance to use that picture come hell or high water.

Guilty as charged....

LunaHound wrote:How big is a pyrovore? as good looking as it is , the price is very similar to Trygon , which means we should get 3 Trygon before getting pyrovore!

The pyrovore is supplied with a 60mm base... like IG heavy weapon teams. In all the pictures it pretty much stands across the entire base. I'd say its about the size of a thunderfire cannon. As far as metal models go it doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. The biovore is $3 less and is only 2/3 the size...well then again it has those spore mines.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Moloch wrote:Just saying that there might be a couple of kittens left in the bag...

You mean more new units that won't get models for another 6-24 months! Wow!

Aren't release waves totally the bestest idea ever!

Second wave = next codex release. You know it.

This "new direction" GW was going with first and second waves lasted only about two codex releases if I remember correctly. The second wave of Guard was what? Some special characters? I'm not a Gw hater, but It would be nice if new standards (yes, I'm thinking about codex layout) were thoroughly thought out and then executed and not shafted after one or two attempts.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. OT: I'm satisfied. The new Ravener and Trygon models fit nicely with my melee theme and I'm going to get one or two of each boxes. I'm a shining example that, with a superb price, you buy more and not less. Trygon = >50€ -> no sale. Trygon = 39€ -> one or two please.

I'm satisied. Will be getting loads of the new stuff asap.

And by the way...who is this Moloch fellow? I recognise the reference in his name, but how does he know all this stuff?

My father is going to be very pleased with these new models, He is also wondering if the genestealers will be moved to elites...

@HBMC: I wasn't trolling, I was being ignorant. I apologize to you and Paul Hogan.

Schepp himself wrote:
This "new direction" GW was going with first and second waves lasted only about two codex releases if I remember correctly. The second wave of Guard was what? Some special characters? I'm not a Gw hater, but It would be nice if new standards (yes, I'm thinking about codex layout) were thoroughly thought out and then executed and not shafted after one or two attempts.

Some SC's and 2 tanks. Then again, Guard are getting more stuff in March...

There still seems to be a "wave" system in place, but I think they less formalized it in order to have the flexibility they need to accommodate production and the realease dates that maximize their stock (create profit before earnings, etc.)

At least we don't have the "good old days" of waiting till another codex release to get more models released. Remember the Drop Pod?

On the Carnifex issue, I don't think the possibility of facing 9 of them is "doom and gloom" worthy. They are is squads, and they have to compete with Heavy Warriors, Trygons, and hopefully better Biovores.

BrassScorpion wrote:

But what the feth am I supposed to do against nine Carnifexes?

What is anyone supposed to do against nine Carnifexes? Perhaps massive Ork mobs can deal with that, everyone else just got 'fexed, pun intended.

The dude that brought 30 assault terminators will probably be able to take the nine carnifex guy. Same with the nine demolisher/colossus guy. Bloodcrusher bro and the lashwhip kid will also make short work of the squads if either are taken in sufficient number. My sternguard+10 plasmagun squad will devour at least one of these squads outright at the start, though unless it's a pricey fex squadron they probably won't be cost effective in doing so.

JD21290 wrote:

The fex however, poor bastard will get nerfed due to the new 250 point beast, aka big bastard trygon.

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I don't think the fex will be as bad off as you think since now they will come in squads of 1-3 for a heavy support slot. Hmmm... 9 fex can be an intimidating sight.

i think it will be six fex and 1 mawloc.

There has to be some kind of trade off for taking 9 fex's though. If I take 3 killakans in a squad and one of them gets immobilized, its dead. Granted I do get to ignore that stun and shaken results, and take 3 heavy support models in a single squad, I still have that one glaring issue hanging over my head. The biggest advantage in my eyes is that the fexs ignore all those rules, and now they are ignoring the biggest negative to taking 3 heavies to a single slot.

Am I worried about now being surrounded again by unbalanced nid armies like back in 3rd edition? Yea, but Im holding out hope that there will be a drawback and in the end just end up like the jaws of the world wolf: Something we all freaked out about but then played against it and found it to be completely useless to the enemy.

All looks pretty amazing, but I'm going to be good and stick with my Skaven for now.

Those gargoyle wings would be pretty good for Furies/Harpies (i.e. anything that has crappy metal wings at the moment) conversions.

Lukus83 wrote:I'm satisied. Will be getting loads of the new stuff asap.

And by the way...who is this Moloch fellow? I recognise the reference in his name, but how does he know all this stuff?

Uhhhh, not that I actually told something here....

Are those holes in the Ravener thorax the weapons themselves, or simply a port to add a weapon to? While it would be nice for people to be able to see what weapon a Ravener is carrying for WYSIWYG purposes, I can't imagine a big deathspitter barrel sticking out of your chest being conducive to burrowing.

Moloch wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:I'm satisied. Will be getting loads of the new stuff asap.

And by the way...who is this Moloch fellow? I recognise the reference in his name, but how does he know all this stuff?

Uhhhh, not that I actually told something here....

Moloch, it's ok, these kids don't know any better.

Lukus83, go open a copy of the Apocalypse book to the big Nids vs. UM battle and the double spread page with the Tyranid Apocalypse force.

Moloch wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:I'm satisied. Will be getting loads of the new stuff asap.

And by the way...who is this Moloch fellow? I recognise the reference in his name, but how does he know all this stuff?

Uhhhh, not that I actually told something here....

Oh, don't be coy. Your clever cypher revealed EVERYTHING.

I'm rather impressed with the mawloc str6 ap2 blast, just about every turn. hmmm bye bye termies.

Fateweaver wrote:Not as bad as the Plaguebearer/Fateweaver combo. I think it's rumored at 5+ though cover save. Only thing rumored to change with Warriors is 1 more wound.

Assuming 3W, T4 with 4+ save and 5+ invul, they will get shredded by HB devs or IG autocannon teams.

I've probably done the math wrong, but wouldn't it take 2 turns of shooting for a ig autocannon team to take down 1 warrior with these stats? 12 shots, 6 hit, 5 wound, 3.2 wounds caused.
Similar for Marine dev squads with heavy bolters. It takes a whole squads shooting to take down 1. Quicker, but they do cost twice the price.

Moloch wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:I'm satisied. Will be getting loads of the new stuff asap.

And by the way...who is this Moloch fellow? I recognise the reference in his name, but how does he know all this stuff?

Uhhhh, not that I actually told something here....

So the Mawloc is some type of tribute to you? Mawloc is pronounced nearly like Moloch is it not, and you're GW's main Tyranid fanboy aren't you? Last time around I remember you having like 9 painted Carnifexes before anyone else even had the new model. Did you have a hand in creating the concept of the new creature? What about the actual rules?

I see no other logical explanation for the name. Mawloc has to be one of the dumbest Nid creature names ever designed, although the Venomthrope comes close. Which ones of the following simply don't belong: Harridan, Hierodule, Hierophant, Carnifex, Trygon, Exocrine, Haruspex, Mawloc, Venomthrope? The people who first came up with Tyranids don't work for the company anymore, or simply don't call the shots. It's just sad. What's next? Clawphant, Firedule, Killercrine and Speederfex?

Schepp himself wrote:
Second wave = next codex release. You know it.

This "new direction" GW was going with first and second waves lasted only about two codex releases if I remember correctly. The second wave of Guard was what? Some special characters? I'm not a Gw hater, but It would be nice if new standards (yes, I'm thinking about codex layout) were thoroughly thought out and then executed and not shafted after one or two attempts.

The waves were never about meeting some magical schedule of periodic releases. It was about making codex updates occur more quickly. If GW waited till all the new IG models were complete, the codex would still not be out and would likely wait till the end of next year. Ork, Chaos, Space Marines, and IG are the only books we should expect "second waves" since only their releases were done with that intention. Space Marines have seen their's; Ork and IG as well. Chaos marine should probably be complaining, but I believe all the demon stuff would have been their second wave had it not been done as an afterthought in writing chaos space marines, a second codex.

GW said that in march we'll be hit with additional waves of releases. SM (Blood angels), Orks, and IG. This will be orks and IG 3rd wave. SM well they get something every year, so what ever.

The idea was that the waves would allow the model ranges to be completed at a different pace than the codices, allowing quicker codex releases. This is what is happening. GW "plans" to release 4 codices this year. Tyranids will be relatively complete with the release of their codex. They won't need a second wave. Blood Angels will be relatively complete with the release of their codex. They won't need a second wave. Following that trend, 4 codices are possible, in addition to 2 other major releases next year and what ever minor releases GW decides to do in months dominated by fantasy releases. This leaves room open for 2 other "second waves" if the 3rd and 4th codex of next were out by fall.

You guys come off as complaining when there isn't anything to complain about.

I think a new Broodlord could be part of a second miniwave. Certainly the existing one badly needs an update to the new (vastly superior) SH look.

A plastic Tyrant is a possibility, but I dunno if that makes sense for GW. You can't spam Tyrants like you can spam Carnifexes.

aka_mythos wrote:

Schepp himself wrote:
Second wave = next codex release. You know it.

This "new direction" GW was going with first and second waves lasted only about two codex releases if I remember correctly. The second wave of Guard was what? Some special characters? I'm not a Gw hater, but It would be nice if new standards (yes, I'm thinking about codex layout) were thoroughly thought out and then executed and not shafted after one or two attempts.

The waves were never about meeting some magical schedule of periodic releases. It was about making codex updates occur more quickly. If GW waited till all the new IG models were complete, the codex would still not be out and would likely wait till the end of next year. Ork, Chaos, Space Marines, and IG are the only books we should expect "second waves" since only their releases were done with that intention. Space Marines have seen their's; Ork and IG as well. Chaos marine should probably be complaining, but I believe all the demon stuff would have been their second wave had it not been done as an afterthought in writing chaos space marines, a second codex.

GW said that in march we'll be hit with additional waves of releases. SM (Blood angels), Orks, and IG. This will be orks and IG 3rd wave. SM well they get something every year, so what ever.

The idea was that the waves would allow the model ranges to be completed at a different pace than the codices, allowing quicker codex releases. This is what is happening. GW "plans" to release 4 codices this year. Tyranids will be relatively complete with the release of their codex. They won't need a second wave. Blood Angels will be relatively complete with the release of their codex. They won't need a second wave. Following that trend, 4 codices are possible, in addition to 2 other major releases next year and what ever minor releases GW decides to do in months dominated by fantasy releases.

You guys come off as complaining when there isn't anything to complain about.

So your saying we would have only had one codex released last year without the wave releases? Must those 5 hour lunch breaks that the designers takes....

gorgon wrote:I think a new Broodlord could be part of a second miniwave. Certainly the existing one badly needs an update to the new (vastly superior) SH look.

Or you could just use the Space Hulk one (if you have one )