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i still want warriors as our ONLY troops it makes me feel like a army of the damned, but make them cheaper ffs

SweetLou wrote:i still want warriors as our ONLY troops it makes me feel like a army of the damned, but make them cheaper ffs

Nah, I'd rather have more (and more competent) options.

Being forced to take 360 points of a pretty crappy unit right now is just terrible. Even if they were 15 points each right now I'd still complain about it, they're pretty crappy.


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Apparently Necrons get a mention in the BA codex. Something about Dante fighting the "Necron Legions of the Silent King" to a stalemate.

And then a Tyranid splinter fleet arrives out of nowhere, and THEY WORK TOGETHER TO BEAT THE TYRANIDS BEFORE RESUMING HOSTILITIES. Probably not in a friendly kind of way, it's not very detailed. It's on page 16 apparently.

While this is obviously an abomination of current fluff, does this confirm a significant revamp of Necron fluff coming from Mr. Ward? Giving them personalities (Silent King? Badass name!) and making them a little more than mindless killing machines is pretty welcome to me.

Necron lord Arnold lives

I'd also like to say that last week (Tuesday 18th) the local manager where I live gave us info that: Pariahs will be plastic and have 40mm bases, also Tomb Spyders and Immortals will be plastic, so this rumour is sounding very believable.

Drunkspleen wrote:Leaked concept art of the Necromancer...

I see what you did there...

samrtk wrote:I'd also like to say that last week (Tuesday 18th) the local manager where I live gave us info that: Pariahs will be plastic and have 40mm bases, also Tomb Spyders and Immortals will be plastic, so this rumour is sounding very believable.

I seriously doubt GW managers get information that early. He probably read this thread.

The picture above isn't necron concept art. It is a screenshot from Mass Effect 2 of the embryonic Reaper.

Pariah's to be plastic? I didn't even think anyone used them/took them to warrant being in plastic. It's also one of the lease desirable/looking models in the whole range.

Love the concept, but execution was 'meh'.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Pariah's to be plastic? I didn't even think anyone used them/took them to warrant being in plastic. It's also one of the lease desirable/looking models in the whole range.

Love the concept, but execution was 'meh'.

Wouldn't that be the precise reason to redo them in plastic? Make them cheaper, better looking, and update the rules so they don't suck.

Ostrakon wrote:

Uriels_Flame wrote:Pariah's to be plastic?

Wouldn't that be the precise reason to redo them in plastic? Make them cheaper, better looking, and update the rules so they don't suck.

Cheaper to produce, not cheaper to sell...

gojira01 wrote:The picture above isn't necron concept art. It is a screenshot from Mass Effect 2 of the embryonic Reaper.

from some pepole iveheared its the next codex to be done

so lets see GW is known to make sucky units the units you need....aka GW remakes codex changes the common roster so you have to buy new models....= bank for GW

heres to hopeing for a good codex...i mean it couldnt get any worse than now.......something has to improve

They'll make the new models the ones you need, maybe buff pariahs slightly so they actually sell.

I think pariahs will be the unit to truly be feared. The evolution of necron tech. We will see I guess. They rock in kill teams though.

I'd like to mention that I think its kinda ironic to see Beast of War begging for the rumors to be true when they usually don't mention rumors in On the Table. How is this high risk GW?

For anyone that would like to let themselves be heard by GW there is a Necron Count website that lets you show off your support for the Necrons by registering your army.

http://countnecrons.unimogtr.com/Default.aspx

Well if Pariahs com in plastic, theyre gonna be a staple.

Cause GW wants them to sell ^^.

More realistically they might stop to suck, and be actually useful .

I'm not buying the plastic Pariah's rumour just yet, sounds like the guy it came from was just repeating the rumours that kicked off this thread but added Pariah's either out of confusion, faulty memory or whatever. He also said they'd be on a bigger base, why? Immortals I can totally see getting bigger bases as per the rumour in the first post but Pariah's are slimmed down Necrons, no need for a bigger base there.
Again, I think this dude was just mixed up. Plus other more creidble sources have said that most of the range will not be changing., my own thoughts are that GW would probably rather put it's resources into new units.

Gargskull wrote:I'm not buying the plastic Pariah's rumour just yet, sounds like the guy it came from was just repeating the rumours that kicked off this thread but added Pariah's either out of confusion, faulty memory or whatever. He also said they'd be on a bigger base, why? Immortals I can totally see getting bigger bases as per the rumour in the first post but Pariah's are slimmed down Necrons, no need for a bigger base there.
Again, I think this dude was just mixed up. Plus other more creidble sources have said that most of the range will not be changing., my own thoughts are that GW would probably rather put it's resources into new units.

Actually Pariahs are upgraded Immortals. They are T5 with the same gun, just like an Immortal. However, I agree that they don't have the look to support a larger base and I don't see them realistically being a Darth Vader/Robocop-esque cyborg and be big and bulky.

Pariahs will definently be redone in the new codex. They are universally the worst selling Necron Unit and worst looking unit. But, GW may very well just produce a newer better metal sculpt especially if they remain an Elite 0-1 unit. There just won't be a demand to justify the plastic production costs.

(Thinking out loud here)An interesting option for GW would be to include the parts to produce a Pariah on each warrior sprue, possibly opening the door for Pariahs to take on a Sgt. role or allow you to collect enough to produce a Pariah squad.

Aduro wrote:Yep, GW CLEARLY copied the robots from Terminator, I mean there are SO many different ways in which they could have designed their own robot skeleton...

Way before the first metal terminators were released, back when Blood Angels were getting their first codex, my FLGS was telling about the Space Undead army that the GW sales rep was hyping.

Robotic skeletons animated with the souls of the living......
Scarabs....
Skeletons with tattered flesh clinging to their bones...

I'm sorry, but I've always seen Necrons as the 40K counterpart to undead.

They were called Chaos Androids back in the day.

However, note that the Terminator movie was released in 1984, a few years before 40K even existed. There were also most certainly 40K Terminators in 1st ed. The Angels of Death codex appeared in 2nd ed.

I'll wait-and-see on plastic Pariahs. If Necrons get the usual 3-4 plastic boxes, it seems like we already have better and more likely candidates for plastic.

Gargskull wrote:I'm not buying the plastic Pariah's rumour just yet, sounds like the guy it came from was just repeating the rumours that kicked off this thread but added Pariah's either out of confusion, faulty memory or whatever. He also said they'd be on a bigger base, why? Immortals I can totally see getting bigger bases as per the rumour in the first post but Pariah's are slimmed down Necrons, no need for a bigger base there.
Again, I think this dude was just mixed up. Plus other more creidble sources have said that most of the range will not be changing., my own thoughts are that GW would probably rather put it's resources into new units.

Well, it'd be reasonable for both Pariahs and Immortals to come on bigger bases, because it's a pain in an assault because they extend so far (and awkwardly) off of their 25mm bases. Plus, he could just be confusing pariahs with immortals. And if the models are being redone (let's face it, current pariahs are ugly as hell) then there's no way of telling.

I really hope pariahs end up as ridiculous as they are in the fluff. I'd rather have them end up more expensive, the super elite shock troops of the 'crons. Like, S5 T5 2+ 5++ I4 A2 warscythes with built in blasters, for however much that would cost per model.

Ostrakon wrote:

Gargskull wrote:I'm not buying the plastic Pariah's rumour just yet, sounds like the guy it came from was just repeating the rumours that kicked off this thread but added Pariah's either out of confusion, faulty memory or whatever. He also said they'd be on a bigger base, why? Immortals I can totally see getting bigger bases as per the rumour in the first post but Pariah's are slimmed down Necrons, no need for a bigger base there.
Again, I think this dude was just mixed up. Plus other more creidble sources have said that most of the range will not be changing., my own thoughts are that GW would probably rather put it's resources into new units.

Well, it'd be reasonable for both Pariahs and Immortals to come on bigger bases, because it's a pain in an assault because they extend so far (and awkwardly) off of their 25mm bases. Plus, he could just be confusing pariahs with immortals. And if the models are being redone (let's face it, current pariahs are ugly as hell) then there's no way of telling.

I really hope pariahs end up as ridiculous as they are in the fluff. I'd rather have them end up more expensive, the super elite shock troops of the 'crons. Like, S5 T5 2+ 5++ I4 A2 warscythes with built in blasters, for however much that would cost per model.

At least then they would be worth the 36pts =/

Kurgash wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

Gargskull wrote:I'm not buying the plastic Pariah's rumour just yet, sounds like the guy it came from was just repeating the rumours that kicked off this thread but added Pariah's either out of confusion, faulty memory or whatever. He also said they'd be on a bigger base, why? Immortals I can totally see getting bigger bases as per the rumour in the first post but Pariah's are slimmed down Necrons, no need for a bigger base there.
Again, I think this dude was just mixed up. Plus other more creidble sources have said that most of the range will not be changing., my own thoughts are that GW would probably rather put it's resources into new units.

Well, it'd be reasonable for both Pariahs and Immortals to come on bigger bases, because it's a pain in an assault because they extend so far (and awkwardly) off of their 25mm bases. Plus, he could just be confusing pariahs with immortals. And if the models are being redone (let's face it, current pariahs are ugly as hell) then there's no way of telling.

I really hope pariahs end up as ridiculous as they are in the fluff. I'd rather have them end up more expensive, the super elite shock troops of the 'crons. Like, S5 T5 2+ 5++ I4 A2 warscythes with built in blasters, for however much that would cost per model.

At least then they would be worth the 36pts =/

Nah, they'd probably have to be a lot more. I mean, 40 point termies have the same armor, lower S and T, and worse wargear, and can't sweep. If we account for phaseout they might come at a discount of some sort, but probably not.

Yes do that!!

I mean Crons always struck me as the most elite army of 40k, our cannon fodder is 12 points a pop.

I just hope GW focuses on terminator as inspiration rather than space undead.

I kinda want Necron Warriors to stay at 18 points and just be worth that much, instead of going down in price to below marine price.

But Pariah could deserve a plastic kit, Immortals i can live with happily. If they were cheaper, pricewise plastic but the model is ok .

Voronesh wrote:I just hope GW focuses on terminator as inspiration rather than space undead.

It's break one of the many things 40k is about. Fantasy in space. Not to say that Terminator didn't influence Pariahs at all.

I just want them to make a decision and implement it so i can decide if I'm gonna build necrons.

burad wrote:I just want them to make a decision and implement it so i can decide if I'm gonna build necrons.

Ah just start 'em anyways and hope for the best. That's what I'm doing anyways!

I'm always up for a challenge, so playing and hopefully winning with a very underpowered list should be the bees knees. Plus, if I play them for a while before the new codex, I (hopefully) won't get accused of jumping on the bandwagon.

MegaDave wrote:

burad wrote:I just want them to make a decision and implement it so i can decide if I'm gonna build necrons.

Ah just start 'em anyways and hope for the best. That's what I'm doing anyways!

I'm always up for a challenge, so playing and hopefully winning with a very underpowered list should be the bees knees. Plus, if I play them for a while before the new codex, I (hopefully) won't get accused of jumping on the bandwagon.

People who complain about that sort of thing would've complained anyway. I've had a space wolf player complain about the Monolith the turn after he used JOTWW to kill my Deceiver.

And they're not even that bad right now. They're not top tier or even close to it, but they have a lot of very solid units that, if built around, provide for a potent if shallow force.

The problem is that while the great units are great (and they're not even THAT great), the units that aren't great are utterly unplayable most of the time. Pariahs, Heavy Destroyers, Flayed Ones, Wraiths, and even your mandatory warriors are all pretty crappy.

Dont forget that "phase out" serves absolutely no purpose other than to screw over the necron player.. Its like if Ogre kingdoms in fantasy automatically lost if they went below 25% models..

Most likely theyre already GOING to lose being a bottom tier army, why the hell do they need another disadvantage?

Idea was to make em more powerful than points would suggest. Too bad that doesnt really work out. It just meant anything without the necron rule wasnt too good for survival. Or basically Pariah went the way of never ever good in any way ^^.

And offtopic, i complain about my bad luck with dice, and then proceed to win anyway. But thats how i roll. (Nobody likes to see more stuff survive because you fired additional flamers :S stupid new rule)