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I'm going to point out that even though its a monstorus Creature, its so huge that there's nowhere to hide it. Like the Tyranid Trygon. Awesome unit, but is very vunerable to concentrated fire. So, honestly, its not a god unit.

And about Draigo being OTT, well, alot of Wh40k units are OTT. I think every faction has 'em. I mean, in the Description, the Swarmlord sounds like he could single-handedly take on the IoM from how "Awesome" they make him sound.

Okay, as a non GK player I think the deradknight is cool. The hammer is rather small and okay there's a "baby harness" (honestly I can't see it) but otherwise its a good model. Here's some extra persepctive: it's said to be about 7" tall. That's the equivalent size of a Lego Bionicle model. Now that is BIG. Besides this, it makes sense to give imperials good walkers. I mean we have Sentinels who have rather flimsy legs that look like they'll snap like twigs, and dreadnoughts who are so stumpy and box-like they look like they've got no knees and would waddle about like a duck on the battlefield. This however, looks the business.

Ok yeah like most people I did take one look and question it's purpose but after reading the description provided on the webpage it kinda makes sense and doesn't. Its a walker that's meant to beat up greater deamons and deamon princes... well what's wrong with a bunch of grey knights doing the same job? *Shrug*

And another thing people. Matt Ward wrote the dex. Did you REALLY expect it to be dead serious and balanaced? C'mon this guy can't do characters properly. He never could and probably won't.

Sorry, what?

Sentinels have "rather flimsy legs"?

Because those legs look pretty damned solid to me.

Pilau Rice wrote:My quibble is that there has never, to my knowledge, been anything like this mentioned for the Grey Knights ever, ever, ever.

That's an odd reason to dislike it... Every codex ever released for 40K has included stuff that hadn't previously been mentioned in the fluff.

insaniak wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:My quibble is that there has never, to my knowledge, been anything like this mentioned for the Grey Knights ever, ever, ever.

That's an odd reason to dislike it... Every codex ever released for 40K has included stuff that hadn't previously been mentioned in the fluff.

Not so odd. Fear of change is pretty common.

I think it is odd also, no prior mention, but that's outweighed by my desire for new stuff!

There is total precedent for those things ...



Looks pretty similar to the SoB Witchhunters Penitent Engine, only instead of a half-naked and crazy SoB there's an armored Grey Knight at the helm. (it's also a bit more badAzz too)

Yeah, that's a penitent psyker, not an SoB. Thanks for playing.

insaniak wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:My quibble is that there has never, to my knowledge, been anything like this mentioned for the Grey Knights ever, ever, ever.

That's an odd reason to dislike it... Every codex ever released for 40K has included stuff that hadn't previously been mentioned in the fluff.

Not necessarily true, at least not if we're talking about recently rather than the time from 2nd edition onwards.

Part of what made the Blood Angels so absurd was the addition of the Stormraven when we could have gotten something already established.

Hell, practically the only 'new' thing in the Imperial Guard Codex that wasn't already in the fluff was the Vendetta.

pretre wrote:Yeah, that's a penitent psyker, not an SoB. Thanks for playing.

Actually just a penitent...
Those things would be totally OTT with psykers at the helm/front

Fair enough, I meant heretic, but I misspoke.

purplefood wrote:I like how despite all the rumours and the pictures there are still people who didn't see this coming.

I like the way that, despite all the 5th ed codex releases people didn't see more codex creep, cheese, and uber hard characters coming.

Kanluwen wrote:Not necessarily true, at least not if we're talking about recently rather than the time from 2nd edition onwards.

Can you find a single codex that doesn't include some piece of new fluff?

Try it... you might be surprised.

Hell, practically the only 'new' thing in the Imperial Guard Codex that wasn't already in the fluff was the Vendetta.

The 'only new thing' is still something new...

Banewolf? Devildog?
Marbo?

I didn't play 4th ed. Was Harker or Bastonne in there?

Remember the hoo-hah over LR Squadrons back when they were introduced? Or basilisk squads?
PBS?
Punisher, Eradicator, Executioner? (May have been IA previously...)

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Not necessarily true, at least not if we're talking about recently rather than the time from 2nd edition onwards.

Can you find a single codex that doesn't include some piece of new fluff?

Try it... you might be surprised.

Hell, practically the only 'new' thing in the Imperial Guard Codex that wasn't already in the fluff was the Vendetta.

The 'only new thing' is still something new...

I meant that more as a 'there's never really been anything introduced as huge as the Dreadknight/Stormravens'.

Even so: most of the stuff we saw introduced was at least hinted at beforehand in the novels, etc.


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pretre wrote:Banewolf? Devildog?
Marbo?

I didn't play 4th ed. Was Harker or Bastonne in there?

Remember the hoo-hah over LR Squadrons back when they were introduced? Or basilisk squads?
PBS?
Punisher, Eradicator, Executioner? (May have been IA previously...)

Executioner was not new.
Nor were LR squadrons, Basilisk 'batteries', etc.

The Punisher is new, as is the Eradicator.

Harker's old, Bastonne's new.

Kanluwen wrote:
Even so: most of the stuff we saw introduced was at least hinted at beforehand in the novels, etc.

Tyrannofex/Tervigon/Venomthrope/Pyrovore/etc
Sternguard/Vanguard/Thunderfire Cannons (those might have been in novels)
Cronos/Venom
Thunderwolf Cav
Soulgrinder
Deffkoptas (might be in previous fluff)
Vespid / Skyray

Mr. Burning wrote:

purplefood wrote:I like how despite all the rumours and the pictures there are still people who didn't see this coming.

I like the way that, despite all the 5th ed codex releases people didn't see more codex creep, cheese, and uber hard characters coming.

It's interesting no one ever talks about the non-cheese as well...
No one ever says "Oh well they got this unit and that unit right"
I mean the SW dex, if you only listened to the internet you would only think the codex had WL, TWC, Razorbacks, Long Fangs and Grey Hunters.
So far the internet has told me the GK codex consists of this
Dreadknight
Draigo
PA GK
Termie GK

I wonder if it comes with a master-crafted step-ladder as I can't see how the hell the 'driver' gets in...

I imagine it is mostly like getting into any specialized fighting vehicle, you have assistance getting in.

Ref: Knights and warhorses to jetfighters.

Oh, sorry, you were trying to be witty.

Daedricbob wrote:I wonder if it comes with a master-crafted step-ladder as I can't see how the hell the 'driver' gets in...

have you not seen? it transforms into a truck and makes the noise from transformers

purplefood wrote:It's interesting no one ever talks about the non-cheese as well...
No one ever says "Oh well they got this unit and that unit right"
I mean the SW dex, if you only listened to the internet you would only think the codex had WL, TWC, Razorbacks, Long Fangs and Grey Hunters.

It's not interesting, its the internets
But that's the very good thing about having nice and friendly gaming community. Not bent on tournament game play only. You really do see other units than ones in "40K Army Lists"..

purplefood wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:

purplefood wrote:I like how despite all the rumours and the pictures there are still people who didn't see this coming.

I like the way that, despite all the 5th ed codex releases people didn't see more codex creep, cheese, and uber hard characters coming.

It's interesting no one ever talks about the non-cheese as well...
No one ever says "Oh well they got this unit and that unit right"
I mean the SW dex, if you only listened to the internet you would only think the codex had WL, TWC, Razorbacks, Long Fangs and Grey Hunters.
So far the internet has told me the GK codex consists of this
Dreadknight
Draigo
PA GK
Termie GK

This is exactly what I thought too.

DID YOU KNOW: This book has Venerable Dreads? Or that it has Death Cult Assassins?

The dreadknight and Draigo has eclipsed the normal stuff so much that it's dangerous to look directly at the codex without sunglasses.

I honestly didn't know they still had dreads...
I am unsmiley about the lack of Inq. forces as well...

At least I assume they do as the GW site has them in the GK elite section and have one painted up in GK colours.

They have Inq Forces. Henchman entries makes them.

purplefood wrote:...I am unsmiley about the lack of Inq. forces as well...

OH REALLY? As in NONE? I hadnt heard that either I was hoping for crazy retinues and or conscripted entries form the IG dex! Boy, not in the loop on this one.

Augustus wrote:

purplefood wrote:...I am unsmiley about the lack of Inq. forces as well...

OH REALLY? As in NONE? I hadnt heard that either I was hoping for crazy retinues and or conscripted entries form the IG dex! Boy, not in the loop on this one.

They have some but it's turned from Inq. with added GK to GK with added Inq.

Inquisitors can make/get far more things than they could in the previous books.

Sigh. This is how nerd rage rumors start.

Judging from the playtest codex, Inquisitors can pack an unholy amount of weapons.

"One for every occasion!"

Umm. Go back and count the entries in C: DH. It was more GK in it then, as well (if you count DCA, Daemonhosts and such as one entry since they are Henchman and still game now the divide is even greater).