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ChrisWWII wrote:A Mary Sue can have flaws, but those flaws often do nothing to detract from the character's Sueness. e.g. Bella Swan is often considered a Mary Sue, and she has the flaw of 'clumsiness'. However, this flaw is easily overlooked... It's the same with Draigo (I am so getting flamed for saying that), he is really old and doomed to fail, but that doesn't detract from his over the topness. Hell, even though he's doomed to fail, he seems to be doing prwetty well for himself, doesn't he?

Yes, you will get 'flamed' for that.

A 'Mary Sue' exhibits all the traits that the author wants and they always find a deus ex machina to get out of their current situation.

The fact that Draigo hasn't escaped the Warp alone makes him not a Mary Sue

BuFFo wrote:Rumors have it that Black Templars will have a Marine riding a Rhino, C.S. Goto style. This new model will have 5 wounds and isn't a vehicle anymore.

Oh man, that's awesome. And it can run over people with its multilaser too.

ChrisWWII wrote:A Mary Sue can have flaws, but those flaws often do nothing to detract from the character's Sueness. e.g. Bella Swan is often considered a Mary Sue, and she has the flaw of 'clumsiness'. However, this flaw is easily overlooked... It's the same with Draigo (I am so getting flamed for saying that), he is really old and doomed to fail, but that doesn't detract from his over the topness. Hell, even though he's doomed to fail, he seems to be doing prwetty well for himself, doesn't he?

Not really. He had some initial successes, all with the help of others, and his final fight in the real world he almost loses and is banished to the warp. There he 'does pretty well' except for that whole it is all meaningless part. His biggest success since being banished was defeating a daemonic prophet in realspace with the help of other GKs. Woopie.

pretre wrote:You did say you started this thread to Troll, didn't you?

No, I said my inner troll inspired the title to draw attention and start discussions, something that carried well it would seem, way to take my statement out of context. And if you reread that Draigo-fluff you'll probably be surprised how fan-fiction the whole thing sounds now that we have talked about it. Now that we have heated up, I extend my hand with a solemn wish that we can return to civilized conversation.

And yes, that is my apology by the way, I am nerd enough to admit when I have let too much emotion say too many words.

Fair enough. I have been reading the Draigo fluff. All the quotes I have posted are from the Draigo fluff in the book.

I've been posting in the other thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352292.page

with quoted analysis and replies to specific Draigo misconceptions, just as I have been here. You can check it out, if you care to.

All I can say is that Draigo and the DreadKnight better not be initiative 7...

In other news, I am somewhat annoyed about all the special rules that Grey Knights get against Demons...

I mean it seems like they are designed to obsolete the entire Demon Codex, and severely hinder the chaos space marine codex. If you wanted epic Grey Knight v Chaos battles this is slowed. Its the opposite of epic when its a one sided lol fest!

These days I feel like my banshees are my only unit that can reliably go first...

pretre wrote:Fair enough. I have been reading the Draigo fluff. All the quotes I have posted are from the Draigo fluff in the book.

I've been posting in the other thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/352292.page

with quoted analysis and replies to specific Draigo misconceptions, just as I have been here. You can check it out, if you care to.

Even so, the GK have a Lord Grand Master that is asleep (away) at the helm?

And?

The Space Wolves have an entire Company missing, and the Imperial Fists let a guy who had been lost in the Warp for a thousand years become Captain of the First Company.

This is 40k we're talking about. 'Going walkabout' in the Warp isn't entirely unheard of, and it's likely that the position is filled by someone else--he just retains the title as an honoriffic.

Because simply every thread on Dakka must be about the Dreadknight now...

When I read it, I thought that Mortarion's heart was in some kind of vault under the grey knights fortress and that draigo went and carved his predecessors name on it. However, I suppose if mortarion had just killed the guy then it would be pretty easy to find him, as Draigo was probably there when it happened.

Also, if the dreadknight is T6 I will not be scared of it, T7 and I will. Why? Lasguns can hurt T6.

Trickstick wrote:When I read it, I thought that Mortarion's heart was in some kind of vault under the grey knights fortress and that draigo went and carved his predecessors name on it.

Maybe it's a giant tree on Terra. And Draigo went and carved his name and the name of his predecessor in a little heart with an arrow through it. Then a Inquisitorial Park Ranger found out about it and had him banished to the warp.

So you are telling me that Draigo is Yogi bear?

"I'm smarter than the average knight!"

purplefood wrote:

UberhAxTHC wrote:Also, a bad idea. I want Draigo dead at the hands of Mortarion himself. Now. And if we're getting characters so OTT now, why don't we have primarchs as playable SC now? I've seen so many custom built models for Fulgrim...it would be so nice to field him. XD

Whoops, scratch that. Just looked him up, and apparently Fulgrim is sealed inside of a painting of himself...no fun taking a painting to war, now is it? Although that does seem awfully Slaanesh like to do so...

OTT fluff not OTT rules.
BA have Space Jesus and Totally-not-Daemon
SW have pretty much all their characters with odd fluff.
Guard have Arnie and Marbo with a sprinkle of that strangest of internet memes.
Chaos get Kharn and Scooby-doo.
SM have Mac and his fists of fury.
Etc etc across the armies.
This is just the fluff remember so no shouting at me 'cos so and so is rubbish or underpowered.

Who the hell is Scooby-Doo out of the CSM SC?

UberhAxTHC wrote:

purplefood wrote:

UberhAxTHC wrote:Also, a bad idea. I want Draigo dead at the hands of Mortarion himself. Now. And if we're getting characters so OTT now, why don't we have primarchs as playable SC now? I've seen so many custom built models for Fulgrim...it would be so nice to field him. XD

Whoops, scratch that. Just looked him up, and apparently Fulgrim is sealed inside of a painting of himself...no fun taking a painting to war, now is it? Although that does seem awfully Slaanesh like to do so...

OTT fluff not OTT rules.
BA have Space Jesus and Totally-not-Daemon
SW have pretty much all their characters with odd fluff.
Guard have Arnie and Marbo with a sprinkle of that strangest of internet memes.
Chaos get Kharn and Scooby-doo.
SM have Mac and his fists of fury.
Etc etc across the armies.
This is just the fluff remember so no shouting at me 'cos so and so is rubbish or underpowered.

Who the hell is Scooby-Doo out of the CSM SC?

Abbadabadoobadon.

Platuan4th wrote:

Abbadabadoobadon.

That made me lol at work.

Platuan4th wrote:

UberhAxTHC wrote:

purplefood wrote:

UberhAxTHC wrote:Also, a bad idea. I want Draigo dead at the hands of Mortarion himself. Now. And if we're getting characters so OTT now, why don't we have primarchs as playable SC now? I've seen so many custom built models for Fulgrim...it would be so nice to field him. XD

Whoops, scratch that. Just looked him up, and apparently Fulgrim is sealed inside of a painting of himself...no fun taking a painting to war, now is it? Although that does seem awfully Slaanesh like to do so...

OTT fluff not OTT rules.
BA have Space Jesus and Totally-not-Daemon
SW have pretty much all their characters with odd fluff.
Guard have Arnie and Marbo with a sprinkle of that strangest of internet memes.
Chaos get Kharn and Scooby-doo.
SM have Mac and his fists of fury.
Etc etc across the armies.
This is just the fluff remember so no shouting at me 'cos so and so is rubbish or underpowered.

Who the hell is Scooby-Doo out of the CSM SC?

Abbadabadoobadon.

How?

^ That sounds more like flintstones to me, sir internets

I thought that creed and kell would be more shaggy and scooby, as abaddon would have got away with the 13th black crusade if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

I don't like it. I don't HATE it, but it too silly to be taken as a super powerful knight. It's just silly.
What I do hate is that my precious and beautiful Wraith Lords are a f@$&*!g joke next to him.. Every unique thing in Eldar codex is being overshadowed by something.. SoB or Necrons are going to have a beefed up Seer Council, no argue about that..

Macok wrote:I don't like it. I don't HATE it, but it too silly to be taken as a super powerful knight. It's just silly.
What I do hate is that my precious and beautiful Wraith Lords are a f@$&*!g joke next to him.. Every unique thing in Eldar codex is being overshadowed by something.. SoB or Necrons are going to have a beefed up Seer Council, no argue about that..

Don't worry, the same thing will happen to the Eldar. Then we will have a month of "Swooping hawks break the game!" and "This new avatar model sucks!"

Macok wrote:
What I do hate is that my precious and beautiful Wraith Lords are a f@$&*!g joke next to him..

Yeah, let me cry about how the T8 and therefore immune to 95% of the small arms in the game Wraithlord is a joke next to the T6 4++ model.

Wraithlords are also cheaper, higher base strength and toughness. Different beast from a different edition.

Good thing Eldar don't have anything unique left other than Seer Councils.


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Trickstick wrote:Don't worry, the same thing will happen to the Eldar. Then we will have a month of "Swooping hawks break the game!" and "This new avatar model sucks!"

OMG I heard Swooping Hawks get to drop D3 S10 AP4 Ord templates everytime they come in from reserve!!!

I actually am GLAD that I play Eldar. What I do feel bad for are Vanilla Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines who these new codexes are really just giving the finger to.

All these new terrifying units are coming out, and I just keep telling myself. At least that all these crazy new psychers are eating perils 40% of the time and failing to cast 50%.

Eldar do still have several things going for them. Banshees still go first, and even if the DreadKnight is something stupid like I5, Banshees will be able to knock it down as long as it doesn't get t7.

Fire Dragons are as good as ever, one of the cheapest melta squads in the game.

Really at the end of the day I feel like all this crazy new marine codex creep is really hurting other armies a lot more than its hurting my Elves...

I'm actually worried that when the Elf codex gets re done Warding will get nerfed, and suddenly we'll have to face the brunt of Rune Priests and Mephiston, and whatever crazy psychic stuff the GKs are tossing around like the rest of the peons. Because its not FAIR that the ELDAR can defend themselves from Marine Psychers, they should be forced to eat poster boy psychic powers like the rest of em...

Trickstick wrote:I thought that creed and kell would be more shaggy and scooby, as abaddon would have got away with the 13th black crusade if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

I swear this was on the pretend quotes thread...

I love this and the stormraven. What I don't like is that anyone playing daemons will find an army impossible to beat. Every army should have a chance, even if it's slim, of winning. Daemons will have zero chance!

I was thinking about that though, and it occured to me that Khorne demons can get an upgrade that gives them a 2+ invulnerable save against Force Weapons.

That at least seems to give them an edge against a codex like GK where all their demon killing weapons are also force wepaons? unless I'm missing something of course!

blood for the blood god

Trickstick wrote:I thought that creed and kell would be more shaggy and scooby, as abaddon would have got away with the 13th black crusade if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

So this means wh40k is this some kind of homage for 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo?

Only the bloodthirster, skarbrand and skulltaker can. That's only three, and all three are HQ's, so a max of two will have that save. On top of that, who wants to take only khorne?

Shenra wrote:What I don't like is that anyone playing daemons will find an army impossible to beat. Every army should have a chance, even if it's slim, of winning. Daemons will have zero chance!

Umm. Want to back that strong statement up with any sort of proof, analysis or empirical evidence?

Shenra wrote:Only the bloodthirster, skarbrand and skulltaker can. That's only three, and all three are HQ's, so a max of two will have that save. On top of that, who wants to take only khorne?

Also note that 2 of those, due to not being ICs, are very, very easily shot to death by S5 storm bolters as they stand there with their puds hanging out on DS turn.