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Yes clearly GW has betrayed us all and ruined 40k forever, even those of us who don't play GK. It will never be able to recover, everyone is going to stop playing it immediately GW will wither and die, and we will all take to the streets and burn Jerivs Johnson and Matt Ward in effigy first, then is person.

Honestly, its a damn model, and one that doesn't look half bad. Chill out. I certainly don't see any utter betrayals.

Well... I dont really HATE it, but I am going to gear my IG army up to kill the store example army, just because I can.

What I truly don't understand it the fluff behind the Dreadknight. Single GK have gone toe-to-toe with GT and the like and come out on top, 100 Grey Knights banished an effing Primarch and his Bloodthirster bodyguard.

I'm discounting the obvious strategy by GW of "Hey, here's an awesome kit (that costs a lot totally by coincidence), some random fluff and go!"

Well all that stuff was probably based on something else anyway, it is not like star wars was the most original thing ever. Plus, don't tyranids predate starship troopers (the film) and the tau are much more generic much suit than a gundam rip off.

Why does it have additional hydraulic lifts?

Why are its feet the same as a Crisis suit's?

Why is it so tall?

Why does it have a tiny shield on its shoulder?

Why does it need hands?

Why does it have hands?

Why is the pilot exposed?

Why does it have the same power-plant and torso as a Dreadnought?

Why isn't it just a Dreadnought?

EmilCrane wrote:Honestly, its a damn model, and one that doesn't look half bad. Chill out. I certainly don't see any utter betrayals.

Looks nice? yes.

Is the concept good? Hells no. Why is the terminator even holding little steering joysticks? really? Why isn't the piloting mechanisms just built into the terminator armor in a HUD? Why not just give him a steering wheel?

Penitent Engines worked because they were literal suicide machines. They were fitted to people who were going to die, hence the strapped in appearance.

The Dreadknight is a giant pile.

I guess if I glue a Meganob onto the front of a Deff Dread, he'll magically get 6 wounds?

The dreadknight sort of looks like a penitent engine but bigger.

The only thing i'm worried about is the talk of a lot of two wound models in termie armor that count as troops...and can take a sanguinary priest for FNP.

I'd better outnumber this army by at least 3 to 1, probably more like 4 if they have crap like that.

ian1920 wrote:1. Let's be honest with ourselves: how original does 40k look?

Space Marines = star wars storm troopers (the skull shaped helmet, ya know)
dark eldar raiders = jabba the hut skimmers (from the 1st act of return of the jedi, they fly around that pit that eats people, remember?)
IG sentinals = ATST / "chicken walkers" that the ewoks fight
IG tanks = tanks
tyranids = have you seen star ship troopers?
dark eldar hellions = green goblin
tau suits = gundam
eldar jetbikes = yep, star wars return of jedi, forest jet bikes
i'm sure i missed some...

implying any of those are the "originals" or for that matter, half of those don't really resemble what you compared

Azure wrote:He's also burned down the Garden of Nurgle, destroyed a Tzeentchian city, collapsing it around a Lord of Change, and killed a Bloodthirster to purify its axe for a new weapon... Are they trying to make an internet meme out of this guy? Draigo=Chuck Norris type of deal?

Draigo doesnt do push-ups, he does Terra-Downs. . . all while wandering the warp.
When the Emporer said "Let all of mankind be united", he had to ask Draigo permission to start the crusade. . . all while wandering the warp.
Draigo actually defeated Horus, when the Emporer tried to claim this as his own feat, Draigo injured him and confined him to the Golden Throne. . . all while wandering the warp.


Okay, sorry, ill stop now. But seriously, as strange as the concept is, i kinda like the look of the DreadKnight, its like adding a More Dakka to a Dakkagun that has lotsa dakka. . . theres no kill like overkill

'Why does it have additional hydraulic lifts? - because humans like multiple redundancy?

Why are its feet the same as a Crisis suit's? Because they stole the idea from the tau and went one better?

Why is it so tall? because it's easier to llook down on everyone and everything from up there..

Why does it have a tiny shield on its shoulder? Beacuse it's a Grey Knight (they all do (at least the old metal ones) - it's for heraldry, not protection

Why does it need hands? to break necks and do WWF moves on Bloodthirsters

Why does it have hands? See above

Why is the pilot exposed? because he already has 2+ armour, so extra armourplating would be irrelevant?

Why does it have the same power-plant and torso as a Dreadnought? Because it was built by the same race, using a limited selection of blueprints?

Why isn't it just a Dreadnought? Because the imperium has too fragging many dreadnought variants already...

It's not an 'Imperial' Walker. It states specifically in the fluff that the GK won't say how they developed it. I think its a Jokareo invention.

Since you answered my questions in the form of questions, I respond with a hearty 'no.'

DarkHound wrote:

Why are its feet the same as a Crisis suit's?

Actually it has completely different and BETTER feet that probably won't break like the tau ones do.

Grey knights: battlesuiting better than your battlesuits.

I'm not a fan. I'd be much hapopier if the pilot wasn't exposed or holding those silly joysticks.

It suffers from Code Geass Syndrome, where there are no real controls, but it WALKS LIKE A MAN!

I will admit that it is a little "odd"

I think if it were just more a big robot with a GK pilot instead of a "exo suit"( I mean the marines is already in armor..who is now in another set of amour is a little silly) Which is really my main beef with it.

For an MC it is pretty tough. Its high T(str 3 cant hurt it at all) and its good save and fair amount of wounds does make it a pretty tough unit for sure.

I like that the biggest complaint so far is that this one model doesn't look "realistic" this coming from people playing space elves/orks/communists etc. in a setting designed to be as over the top and ridiculous as possible.

I like it.

I understand that I'm not as emotionally invested in this as some people though.

juraigamer wrote:You need the one special HQ to make paladins troops, termies as troops is how the ORIGINAL codex was.

Which is Draigo and from testing one of the cheesiest near impossible to kill armies I've ever seen.

Mark1130 wrote:Maybe Forge World will give us a better looking Grey Knight Mech Warrior.

Maybe that's their plan all along, release a silly-looking GW miniature and a good-looking (and more expensive) Forge World version. Can you say Sisters of Battle?

Vargtass wrote:In what way is this a 40k unit? How does this fit into the 40k Universe? This is something that would have looked good in Mech Warrior. Here it looks rediculous! Why is there a Grey Knight Terminator in a mech? And this isn't even the most rediculous part...

My immediate thought is 'How is this not a 40K unit? It's a terminator in a battle suit. It's ugly, it's crazy, it makes no sense, and it's really surprisingly cool.

Doesn't get much more 40K than that.


For what it's worth, people complained that 40K was ruined forever when the Tau were added in, as well.

BuFFo wrote:I like how an exposed 1 wound model now magically has 4 wounds like a flesh and bone creature. And, it has more survivability than a marine ENCASED in dreadnought armor.

Seriously?

It looks slowed, and it's rules are stupid.

But hey, I guess when you slap a marine on a wolf, it magically becomes one creature that is harder to kill than if he was riding an armored motorcycle.

I am SOOOOO glad Dark Eldar was done right. I really am... I feel sorry for all you marine players. This is the 40k fluff of your generation. This is your Star Wars Prequels. Enjoy.

I could not agree more.


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Trickstick wrote:Even though the terminator is exposed he could take a fair amount of punishment before he was unable to function. Whereas a normal terminator would be out of the fight with a hole in his side, there is a fair chance that this guy could still continue to fight, as there is little need for physical exertion in that thing. A shot through the leg or arm would make a normal terminator less effective, yet a dreadknight would not have its combat potential greatly diminished.

His vital organs also have an extra layer of armour from the harness. I admit that the bare head is silly, but that is the same as every bare headed space marine ever made. There is always the option for the helmet.

What about 3 holes in him then?

I think if you finagled it enough, you get it to look pretty darn cool.

And like BuFFo said, 'an exposed 1 wound model now magically has 4 wounds like a flesh and bone creature. And, it has more survivability than a marine ENCASED in dreadnought armor.'

Granted, that's certainly a flaw, but haters gonna hate.

I like it.

It's stupid, but it's good stupid with an IoM styleee. A bit of a steampunk aesthetic. Lots of exposed mechanical rods and stuff.

The reason for the exposed pilot is that he is in Terminator armour.

If the mech gets knocked out, he can just jump out of his harness and continue fighting on foot. You could have a separate pilot model.

I think that would be cool.

Early edition Eldar Walkers had an exposed pilot back in the late 80s.

now i sooooooooo wish i collect gk's and not vannila marines (i dnt hve enough time or money 4 2 armies)

Something I really don't like about Online forums, is everyone jumps on the love/hate bandwagon, as if disagreeing will result in excomunication.

I think the dreadnkight looks beast - it's impractical in some ways, (many things are in 40k) but at the same time, it'd be really easy to suit up in one of those, and since GK's don't like to be kept alive in a Dreadnought anyway, this effectively (fluff wise) fills the role.

I like it, maybe leave the random hydraulics from the back, maybe power plant too, depending on how it looks... I don't even mind the pilot being exposed.

Tactical Dreadnought Armour Armour...?

Also, Dexter got there first!

Azure wrote:He's also burned down the Garden of Nurgle, destroyed a Tzeentchian city, collapsing it around a Lord of Change, and killed a Bloodthirster to purify its axe for a new weapon... Are they trying to make an internet meme out of this guy? Draigo=Chuck Norris type of deal?

This is funny because well... the Chaos gods being nigh omnipotent and all wouldn't recignize any of this at all? i mean they could blink and he would be dead

oh wait he can fight, and has found FETHING DEAMON PRIMARCHS something even the loyalist primarchs died to or had a hard time with

but noooo, he.... carved his name on mortarion's heart? wow GW wow...

You guys seem to be upset about a fictional story.

Trickstick wrote:

yearzero wrote:

Trickstick wrote: as there is little need for physical exertion in that thing.

You assume he has power steering

I think that they have sat nav as standard but the power steering is an optional extra. However, the standard voice for the sat nav is Kharn the Betrayer.

"In one point five miles, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

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