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So basically Draigo is a Warp-Terrorist?

More like the emprah incarnate.

n0t_u wrote:More like the emprah incarnate.

yeah, when will they fire ward? this guy's got some complex about him. rule of cool to the Nth degree

I refuse to comment on the rules until I see the codex, but AFAIK a huge multi-wound monstrous creature with high toughness and a good armour save is nothing new (when you consider say a tervigon with FNP) and lets be honest, it probably has a points cost equal to 3 decently set up squads in another codex.

As for the dreadknight model, it is AWESOME! and I will probably end up orkifying one in the future as a mega-dread!

Regard all the comments on why would it exist, I see the logic being thus:
Average height of grey knight ~7ft tall
Average height of a greater daemon (a regular opponent of a grey knight) ~15ft and rising

Solution: built an awesome-sauce suit with heavy weapons and articulated fingers so you can go toe-to-toe with a greater daemon without simply being stepped on...

Personally I don't like it. I am not sure if I don't like the model or if I don't like where it's come from.

I think it's a case if this

BuFFo wrote: This is the 40k fluff of your generation. This is your Star Wars Prequels. Enjoy.

I know they have to have new ideas and freshen things up but things are starting to go a little to far.

My quibble is that there has never, to my knowledge, been anything like this mentioned for the Grey Knights ever, ever, ever.

I like things to stick somewhat to the fluff, but pulling fluff out of your ass seems to be happening more and more and it's getting ridiculous.

Have they no shame hmm hmm?!?

I hardly see the model as a 'betrayal'. What's more glaring is the change that the Grey Knights in general have undergone. No longer Fearless, lost their high Strength, lost their WS5. They're just kinda Marines with better weapons now, and no longer Elite Marines. Really kinda bland.

The Dreadknight itself looks silly. It's Doomfists aren't, they wouldn't be able to hit anything with the guns poking out in front of them, it's too tall, the baby-harness is really stupid (the exposed head more so) and the hammer is weedy. Sword and the other guns are awesome though, and the kit can be salvaged. It's not a mess like the Storm Raven, but it's not a good start.

Mukkin'About wrote:Exactly. The amount of whining i hear over this one is saddening.

Ah. It's so easy to shut down any form of debate when you just declare the other side 'haters' who are 'whining'. Makes coming up with counter-arguments unnecessary and saves so much time, doesn't it? I mean really - who wants to spend precious seconds thinking and coming up with a valid response? It's so much easier to just heap mud on the other side in the hope that they'll be too busy cleaning it off to continue fighting. Then you just declare victory and, better yet, a (mythical) moral high ground.

That picture, funny as it may be, is nothing more than a pictorial representation of an ad hominem attack.

Well, i dont know you, but i'm seeing some conversion potential for my orks in that thing.

ian1920 wrote:1. Let's be honest with ourselves: how original does 40k look?

Space Marines = star wars storm troopers (the skull shaped helmet, ya know)
dark eldar raiders = jabba the hut skimmers (from the 1st act of return of the jedi, they fly around that pit that eats people, remember?)
IG sentinals = ATST / "chicken walkers" that the ewoks fight
IG tanks = tanks
tyranids = have you seen star ship troopers?
dark eldar hellions = green goblin
tau suits = gundam
eldar jetbikes = yep, star wars return of jedi, forest jet bikes
i'm sure i missed some...

Haha. Necrons. You forgot Necrons. I just made myself sick...

ian1920 wrote:1. Let's be honest with ourselves: how original does 40k look?
Space Marines = star wars storm troopers (the skull shaped helmet, ya know)

Got it a bit wrong. Read Starship Troopers

Not that Heinlein invented the idea of a 'Bug War' either.

As for me, I see the problems with the Dreadknight. I personally think with a tiny bit of conversion it'll be an awesome looking model, and if I wasn't broke/invested in other projects, I'd pick one up just to paint. That being said, I will be reserving judgement on the cheesiness of Grey Knight armies until I see them on the tabletop. They are definitely going to change the meta up significantly, but we'll make do and adapt, just like we always did.

I'm just more worried that we'll just see hordes of Grey Knights swarming the field nowadays. In allhonesty, it will not be fun to see armies of like 12 nigh-invincible models killing everything.

I just realized why they made this thing...



As for the killing 40k part, no, I still love 40k, but the Grey Knights didn't deserve this. Draigos? that! If I knew that abomination existed I would have included him in the original post.

It's not an aweful model, it would have looked fine in any other setting, but not in the 40k I know, remember and still play. Feth the Dreadknight and feth Draigos.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Exactly. The amount of whining i hear over this one is saddening.

That picture, funny as it may be, is nothing more than a pictorial representation of an ad hominem attack.

I could go on a rant about how it's silly to shoot down every aspect of a model yet still buy it at the end of the day because it's in the book and it's the most competitive option.
I think that a lot of people are hating it just because. Maybe I just don't care enough to nitpick it. Maybe i'm just not willing to find reasons to hate everything GW puts out lately.
What my point is that, if you guys hate the minis so much and have such problems with the rules.. why do you even play?

BuFFo wrote:I feel sorry for all you marine players. This is the 40k fluff of your generation. This is your Star Wars Prequels. Enjoy.

Sigged.

One thing that's been driving me crazy...look at this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1140001&prodId=prod1160009a&rootCatGameStyle=
On the GW website, look at the entry for Grey Knights, and then look at the 3rd pic from the left. What the hell are those things sticking off of their backs?!

Baby harness or not, how is a marine encased in terminator armour...."exposed"?

UberhAxTHC wrote:One thing that's been driving me crazy...look at this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1140001&prodId=prod1160009a&rootCatGameStyle=
On the GW website, look at the entry for Grey Knights, and then look at the 3rd pic from the left. What the hell are those things sticking off of their backs?!

Teleporters as I understand it...

I'm really starting to think that the leaked GK codex was just a really well done fake...and this thing is really selling it to me. I can't believe they would make a model like this have a wounds characteristic when they already have something almost the exact same in the Eldar WarWalker that has an AV...it just seems too stupid to be true. That, and everything else.


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Vargtass wrote:

UberhAxTHC wrote:One thing that's been driving me crazy...look at this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1140001&prodId=prod1160009a&rootCatGameStyle=
On the GW website, look at the entry for Grey Knights, and then look at the 3rd pic from the left. What the hell are those things sticking off of their backs?!

Teleporters as I understand it...

Seriously? They better not be...that would just be one more dumb thing about GK...do terminators have these dumb things sticking off their backs? No...but they teleport just fine...do you see these things on Blood Angel's Land Raider? They can teleport, from what I hear...did the previous grey knight teleport attack squads have these things? No...but they were just fine. So, why do I have such a problem with this? Because now all the WYSIWYG gamers are going to force people to put stupid pieces on their models...damn you GW...damn you...

This, of course, assuming you ever use the teleport attack squads...(some people are different, I dunno...)

Its been rumored that this is a FA slot for GK, they can make one 36" move.

Seriously? They better not be...that would just be one more dumb thing about GK...do terminators have these dumb things sticking off their backs? No...but they teleport just fine...do you see these things on Blood Angel's Land Raider? They can teleport, from what I hear...did the previous grey knight teleport attack squads have these things? No...but they were just fine. So, why do I have such a problem with this? Because now all the WYSIWYG gamers are going to force people to put stupid pieces on their models...damn you GW...damn you...

They're PERSONAL teleporters....not requiring an orbiting ship basically.

IronfrontAlex wrote:Its been rumored that this is a FA slot for GK, they can make one 36" move.

Appropriate? Lazy? Stupid?

Really, I wanted to like the new Grey Knight but I am starting to loose brain cells here...

IronfrontAlex wrote:Its been rumored that this is a FA slot for GK, they can make one 36" move.

It's only 30, and once per game. But come on now...fluff wise...we have teleporting grey knights that move like jump infantry? Are you seriously telling me that the imperium has the technology to just constantly teleport all over the place? Why the hell do they even have rhinos if they could just do this...another rape of fluff by Codex: Grey Knights...

AND WHY DOESN'T IT COUNT AS DEEP STRIKING?!

UberhAxTHC wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:Its been rumored that this is a FA slot for GK, they can make one 36" move.

It's only 30, and once per game. But come on now...fluff wise...we have teleporting grey knights that move like jump infantry? Are you seriously telling me that the imperium has the technology to just constantly teleport all over the place? Why the hell do they even have rhinos if they could just do this...another rape of fluff by Codex: Grey Knights...

Not the Imperium, the Grey Knights.

The Grey Knights...are part of the Imperium...

UberhAxTHC wrote:The Grey Knights...are part of the Imperium...

They are the elite of the elite of the elite.

You dont think they 'might' have some equiptment that is unavailiable to the common guardsman...or even marine?

Some military equiptment is simply too rare/expensive to hand out willy nilly to every line troop one has.



Regular military men have rifles. James Bond has a pen that shoots an explosive bullet.

Knights have full plate armour. Squires have not.

Jedi have Lightsabers. Stormtroopers do not.

This is the IoM we're talking about here...if they have something at their disposal, they will abuse the hell out of it in the name of the emperor. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is "special". Space Marines are supposed to be elite...but can you give me even a remotely accurate number of how many of them exist in the 40k universe? And you don't think that the IoM would replicate teleport homers in the exact same way? Hell, even make it part of the creation process of power armor...so they all have it. It's just another thing GW never thought about, but did anyways.


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UberhAxTHC wrote:The Grey Knights...are part of the Imperium...

They are the elite of the elite of the elite.

You dont think they 'might' have some equiptment that is unavailiable to the common guardsman...or even marine?

Some military equiptment is simply too rare/expensive to hand out willy nilly to every line troop one has.



Regular military men have rifles. James Bond has a pen that shoots an explosive bullet.

Knights have full plate armour. Squires have not.

Jedi have Lightsabers. Stormtroopers do not.

James Bond can do anything, he's freaking James Bond. He can even be anyone, for that matter. James Bond is practically Jesus. That one doesn't count.

If a knight wanted his squire to have armor, he would have armor...so squires could have armor.

True, Jedi have lightsabers. And then General Grievous picked some up, and then he was using them too. And Jedis personally craft their own lightsaber. And before the wars, there were a gakload of Jedi. Just sayin.

What you're saying implies that the Imperium has scarce to limited resources. They don't. They rule the freaking galaxy. I'm not saying this because I'm an Imperium fan, I actually play Chaos. I'm saying it because it's true. They craft titans and ships that dwarf planets. Are you seriously telling me that they couldn't scrap one titan to make enough of these teleporters for an army? Because personally, I think it would be no problem for them. Which is why I find the things so stupid in the first place. They break fluff, just like the rest of the terribly codex...

UberhAxTHC wrote:This is the IoM we're talking about here...if they have something at their disposal, they will abuse the hell out of it in the name of the emperor. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is "special". Space Marines are supposed to be elite...but can you give me even a remotely accurate number of how many of them exist in the 40k universe? And you don't think that the IoM would replicate teleport homers in the exact same way? Hell, even make it part of the creation process of power armor...so they all have it. It's just another thing GW never thought about, but did anyways.

The IoM treats technology like relics. Reverse engineering can only get you so far and the AdMech don't really understand the principles behind half of their stuff which is why their is such long production time on Land Raiders and Terminator suits and all the good stuff.

Which is so totally represented in the game when your opponent takes 3 land raiders...or worse...3 Dreadknights...

If grey knights are suppossed to be anti-daemon. Why arent they built to kill daemons? daemons lack in anti-vehicle so we'll make the dreadknight have toughness so nurgle can kill it much easier. : D
Same thing with them having so much anti-tank, how common are soul grinders again?

It's a ridiculous metagame codex, full of

UberhAxTHC wrote:It's a ridiculous metagame codex, full of

Awwwwwww....


Another Chicken Little here gentlemen, just like we had with the wolves, BA, DE, and every other codex before it came out.