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Still with the Children's sized Eldar Avatar....Blarg! That's really my only issue I suspected they'd raise prices and I use resin all the time so no other complaints from this guy.

(Btw, I really do want the big FW one but no one will let me use it locally. They claim the base size isn't "fair".)

It might be just me, but I think that second CLASSIFIED Icon next to the Hamey might be another DE character.

Ajroo wrote:

carmachu wrote:

Ajroo wrote:Resin models will be easier to model, and not as easily chipped.

No they're not. Not even remotely. Metal, wile tough, is harder to screw up then resin.

I have resin FW stuff, and it is just better IMO. It is lighter, and doesnt have the balancing issues the metal ones do, its so annoying when a model just wont sit on a hill properly.

So what? Thats a terrain problem, not a metal/resin one. Resin sucks for conversion purposes. Metal, while not easy, once you know what yoru doing works well. I love metal for conversions.,

The fact that the prices are going up for these models is just simply delicious in just hold bold-faced it is. Something done as a cost cutting measure results in prices going up for their customers. I can’t wait for them to use this to justify a price rise on, say, the paint range.

I mean, where’s the log in this:

1. Metal prices are too high.
2. Make models in resin to cut costs.
3. Raise prices for these new resin models.
4. ???
5. Profit!

What?

GW has nothing but contempt for us all. Abandon them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

GW has nothing but contempt for us all. Abandon them.

Dude your just discovering that they have contempt for us? They had it back in the 90's. Its no different now. I'll just keep picking up used models or trading for stuff. No need to buy new.

Looking again at the Dark Eldar model to the right of the Succubus. I'm pretty sure it is The Decapitator after all, although the model doesn't look like the artwork or what I'd pictured in my head. The hair is White and the body dark like the Mandrakes, and on close inspection it looks like it's holding somethings in it's hands, probably heads hence The Decapitator

Oh I hope so.....

HMBC, all I've -ever- seen you post is bile towards GW. Surely if they had as much contempt as you claim, you'd just...ignore them? Maybe even stop bothering yourself with a forum focused very heavily on their products?

I'm just getting VERY sick of your constant preaching on a soapbox built out of the very thing you're condemning.

carmachu wrote:

Ajroo wrote:

carmachu wrote:

Ajroo wrote:Resin models will be easier to model, and not as easily chipped.

No they're not. Not even remotely. Metal, wile tough, is harder to screw up then resin.

I have resin FW stuff, and it is just better IMO. It is lighter, and doesnt have the balancing issues the metal ones do, its so annoying when a model just wont sit on a hill properly.

So what? Thats a terrain problem, not a metal/resin one. Resin sucks for conversion purposes. Metal, while not easy, once you know what yoru doing works well. I love metal for conversions.,

No its not, if its on a slight hill (as all GW boards have) and it falls over because of the weight of the model, it will chip the paint. then its a disadvantage over plastic/resin. Thats what.

The Decapitator wrote: Basically, GW have decided that starting soon, nobody and that means absolutely nobody, other than the guys who deal with the products etc, will know what is in the pipework or being released until 1 WEEK before it's actual release date. There will no longer be any incoming emails or the like, apparently the first that anyone will know of anything will be on the back page of WD. Which looks like releases will be tied into the same day that WD is released bearing in mind that subscribers get it around a week early.

So basically GW is trying to invent a time machine to take them back to 1993.

Now if they could just get this pesky "information superhighway" thing shut down...

ANOTHER price increase? Gah!

Cerebrium wrote:HMBC, all I've -ever- seen you post is bile towards GW. Surely if they had as much contempt as you claim, you'd just...ignore them? Maybe even stop bothering yourself with a forum focused very heavily on their products?

I'm just getting VERY sick of your constant preaching on a soapbox built out of the very thing you're condemning.

Do try to keep up.

Then why the hell do you hang about here? If you do want them to fail so much, why bother even paying attention to anything they do?

You two..mind taking this spat into private?

I don't even know who this guy is. He clearly didn't read anything I wrote, so he can storm in a teacup at me as much as he likes.

So instead of complaining about GW raising prices to please shareholders, why don't we all just buy some GW shares?

Problem solved! Price rise ahoy!

Lithophile wrote:So instead of complaining about GW raising prices to please shareholders, why don't we all just buy some GW shares?

Problem solved! Price rise ahoy!

I could see GW's thinking here. "Wait, we put the prices up and shares went up. KEEP PUTTING THE PRICES UP!"

Well, it looks like GW is trying to do the old 'quick one-two' (usually carried out by politicians) where you hide a bad piece of news (EU based retailers not being allowed to sell outside of the EU) with a good piece of news (er.. the switch to resin). On this latter point, I will withhold judgement until I have a miniature in my hand, but to me it sounds just like '2+2=5'.

I problem with all of this is the 'cancer' that lies at the heart of the company now. I advise everyone to read this very informative blogpost:

http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2011/04/help-kirby-is-eating-our-hobby.html

The point is, as made in the blog post I linked above, that the few people at the heart of the company, and running it, have sweet f-all interest in actually the hobby itself. So for all of the cost cutting measures, the cutting of staff and massive price hike of units, then tailoring of rules to sell more of those kits, the things which are most complained about by the gaming community, what is done with that additional profit? It's used for a dividend payment, so the shareholders, and more importantly Mr. Kirby, can get a nice big lump of money in their pocket.

And in the meantime the hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, who enjoy the hobby around the world get a worse experience. The situation when I was working at the company, many years ago, where the heads of the company are surrounded for the most part just sycophantic 'yes men' means that you get bs decisions, and they try and turn it around as if it's somehow going to be a good thing and a benefit to the hobbyist, doesn't seem to have changed. Again, with the caveat that they have developed some new form of resin which bypasses the health and safety issues of that currently in use by other companies, switching to resin is an unbelievably daft decision and has the potential to ruin the company. In terms of pure idiocy, it surely ranks up there with the '1 man store', which seeks to reduce the number of newcomers into the hobby even as the company does everything it seemingly can to alienate it's long term fans. In other news, this is currently being attempted with an entire hemisphere.

GW has been an important and enjoyable part of my life, but that doesn't mean I have to just shrug my shoulders at each ill-advised new policy that comes out. It's painful to see something you feel an emotional attachment towards (and how can it be any other way when you have invested so much time in it?) when it's having its face driven into the dirt.

Sorry that this sounds like such a dreadfully rantish post. I've tried so hard to defend GW and it's decision making over the years, as anyone who knows my posting from other boards will attest to. But, it's the stark realisation that those in charge of the company are not only reading from a different page, but they have just thrown the book away, that I think is generating so much bad blood over the recent announcements.

Certainly, I was going to order a box of orc boys this morning, but had a sick feeling in my stomach as I added it to the shopping basket. I am sure I will not be alone in this regard.

Lithophile wrote:So instead of complaining about GW raising prices to please shareholders, why don't we all just buy some GW shares?

Problem solved! Price rise ahoy!

Because it's alot easier for people to complain on a forum than even do something as easy as backing of their claims of leaving the hobby, let alone put their money down to profit off of GWs business practices. I've only ever seen a few people online claim to be investors in GW, and who would guess, they were happy with GW's business decisions. It made them money.

In the end they are a business like any other and don't owe customers nearly as much as alot of people would like to think. They sell a product, support the product and provide services for their product. What they choose to release and sell, when they choose to do it and how much they choose to charge for it is entirely at their discretion. It amazes me that because people buy a product they are owed some explanation for every decision GW makes henceforth. It's really pretty funny when you think about it.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go email BMW and tell them I won't be supporting them any more because their prices are preventing me from purchasing as many of their products as I'd like.

Cadaver wrote:

Lithophile wrote:So instead of complaining about GW raising prices to please shareholders, why don't we all just buy some GW shares?

Problem solved! Price rise ahoy!

Because it's alot easier for people to complain on a forum than even do something as easy as backing of their claims of leaving the hobby, let alone put their money down to profit off of GWs business practices. I've only ever seen a few people online claim to be investors in GW, and who would guess, they were happy with GW's business decisions. It made them money.

In the end they are a business like any other and don't owe customers nearly as much as alot of people would like to think. They sell a product, support the product and provide services for their product. What they choose to release and sell, when they choose to do it and how much they choose to charge for it is entirely at their discretion. It amazes me that because people buy a product they are owed some explanation for every decision GW makes henceforth. It's really pretty funny when you think about it.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go email BMW and tell them I won't be supporting them any more because their prices are preventing me from purchasing as many of their products as I'd like.

Considering I've bought one model and 3 cans of primer this year total. I'm not sure your statement is entirely true.

Kanluwen wrote:You want to write them a letter. Emails about anything that isn't missing orders go straight into the spam/junk folder.

That's not entirely true. I emailed them once about a pricing issue and received a very nice and polite email asking me to phone their customer support line.

So, really, phone them and complain. A lot.

Everybody saying that they want to leave the hobby, It wont affect GW. If they made the price lower, that means that they will get less profit, than if they increased the price, no-matter how many people leave Warhammer 40k. You see, there will still be people that will by these 'finecast' miniatures. And the money they spend will cover for the money lost from you quitting.

DAWARBOSS wrote:Everybody saying that they want to leave the hobby, It wont affect GW. If they made the price lower, that means that they will get less profit, than if they increased the price, no-matter how many people leave Warhammer 40k. You see, there will still be people that will by these 'finecast' miniatures. And the money they spend will cover for the money lost from you quitting.

I've never said such a thing. You fail at dramatic hyperbole. It does affect GW. You fail at reading financial reports. No I probably won't buy any of these "finecast" miniatures. You fail at dictating to others what they're going to do. And the money others spend may or may not cover anyone that quits. And if it does, that doesn't leave GW at better than breaking even. You fail at economics.

Please. Stop failing.

Worglock wrote:

DAWARBOSS wrote:Everybody saying that they want to leave the hobby, It wont affect GW. If they made the price lower, that means that they will get less profit, than if they increased the price, no-matter how many people leave Warhammer 40k. You see, there will still be people that will by these 'finecast' miniatures. And the money they spend will cover for the money lost from you quitting.

I've never said such a thing. You fail at dramatic hyperbole. It does affect GW. You fail at reading financial reports. No I probably won't buy any of these "finecast" miniatures. You fail at dictating to others what they're going to do. And the money others spend may or may not cover anyone that quits. And if it does, that doesn't leave GW at better than breaking even. You fail at economics.

Please. Stop failing.

In all due respect,
I never said you said that you will leave 40k. i was never trying to achieve a dramatic hyperbole. I have never read a financial report. I never said you'll buy these 'Finecast' minatures, But its obvious people will buy finecast, including me if I must. I never was attempting to dictate anybody. And GW has a short term financial plan, they will make money, and lots of it too. And the reason I fail at economics is because Im fifteen, no economics in grade 9, although it makes sense to me GW is doing this for a reason, and the reason is not because they like to see a bunch of people sit at their computers all day and complain on forums, the reason is to make money.

And dude, I'll try to stop failing , although life is pretty sweet to me right now as I have just moved up a grade (I guess I'll get those economic classes you say I fail at), got my book published and got my school into the high school international rowing championship of the year. I apologise to anybody who had to read this entire load of ranting by me that was all off-topic, Just had to make sure this guy got the message, in all due respect.

Anyway, are the finecast going to be made of resin entirely, or some plastic and resin hybrid?

Worglock wrote:Considering I've bought one model and 3 cans of primer this year total. I'm not sure your statement is entirely true.

It's not true for you, sure. And frankly not me either. I haven't played 40k in several years. I do play Specialist Games frequently, and for the most part that means getting stuff on ebay. But the vast majority of people who post do spend plenty, and complain plenty about prices. They post rants with a sense of entitlement like GW owes them something.

I think this blog post by Neil Gaiman is particularly apt. Granted it is regarding authors, but I think the point applies equally to any creator.

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

My point is, everyone is complaining about a minimal price increase for some of the metal models. Not everything got a price increase, but no one actually bothers to check that. They go off of forum posts rather than checking for themselves. They take other people's speculation for the reason GW is switching to resin as if it were actual quotes from GW, and then hold GW to statements made by forum-goers. It's fine to be critical, and it's fine to have strong opinions. Afterall, people wouldn't be upset if this hobby didn't mean alot to them. But It's ridiculous to be upset when you don't even bother fact check what you are complaining about. It's ridiculous to hold GW accountable for what some dude posts on the internet in a rumors forum. It's like when people complain about an army release being pushed back by GW when it was never announced officially in the first place.

Games Workshop is not your bitch. They are not my bitch. If people can't accept how they run their business, then they and I are free to no longer support them. The difference is, when I choose to no longer support a company, I don't continue to frequent their fan forums complaining about each and every future decision they make. I move on with my life.

Lithophile wrote:So instead of complaining about GW raising prices to please shareholders, why don't we all just buy some GW shares?

Problem solved! Price rise ahoy!

No, not really all it will do is inject funds into the company so they can continue doing what they do. We'd probably need to get to the magic number of 51% and quite frankly by the time you get there you've probably ended helping them out a fair bit and all they'd need to do is continue producing new shares to stop you from ever reaching the majority. Sure it's a stupid idea to just keep throwing out shares like that, but I think they've proven they have no short supply of stupidity; in fact it's probably one of the key ingredients of the new Finecast system.

Lots of people flame waring eachother on this thread... quite amusing.

Resin means easier conversions, bring em on

Lithophile wrote:So instead of complaining about GW raising prices to please shareholders, why don't we all just buy some GW shares?

It would take an awful lot of us, buying an awful lot of shares, to actually reach a point where our opinions would count for any more than they do right now.

Cadaver wrote:

Worglock wrote:Considering I've bought one model and 3 cans of primer this year total. I'm not sure your statement is entirely true.

It's not true for you, sure. And frankly not me either. I haven't played 40k in several years. I do play Specialist Games frequently, and for the most part that means getting stuff on ebay. But the vast majority of people who post do spend plenty, and complain plenty about prices. They post rants with a sense of entitlement like GW owes them something.

I think this blog post by Neil Gaiman is particularly apt. Granted it is regarding authors, but I think the point applies equally to any creator.

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

My point is, everyone is complaining about a minimal price increase for some of the metal models. Not everything got a price increase, but no one actually bothers to check that. They go off of forum posts rather than checking for themselves. They take other people's speculation for the reason GW is switching to resin as if it were actual quotes from GW, and then hold GW to statements made by forum-goers. It's fine to be critical, and it's fine to have strong opinions. Afterall, people wouldn't be upset if this hobby didn't mean alot to them. But It's ridiculous to be upset when you don't even bother fact check what you are complaining about. It's ridiculous to hold GW accountable for what some dude posts on the internet in a rumors forum. It's like when people complain about an army release being pushed back by GW when it was never announced officially in the first place.

Games Workshop is not your bitch. They are not my bitch. If people can't accept how they run their business, then they and I are free to no longer support them. The difference is, when I choose to no longer support a company, I don't continue to frequent their fan forums complaining about each and every future decision they make. I move on with my life.

You do realize there's a price increase coming for plastics too right? Like Grave Guard going from $33 to 41.25 (US) right? You do realize that's an almost 25% price increase right? If you went and did some "fact checking". you'd realize that it's a bit more than "some metal models".

Also: you mad? You sound mad.

Also more: Since you no longer support GW (by your own admission, having not played 40K in several years and only being involved n Specialist Games infrequently). Why are you here?

also lots: Neil who? Oh him, the guy that hasn't had a good book in awhile.

Worglock wrote:
Also more: Since you no longer support GW (by your own admission, having not played 40K in several years and only being involved n Specialist Games infrequently). Why are you here?

But... if you don't support them... why are you here?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:HMBC, all I've -ever- seen you post is bile towards GW. Surely if they had as much contempt as you claim, you'd just...ignore them? Maybe even stop bothering yourself with a forum focused very heavily on their products?

I'm just getting VERY sick of your constant preaching on a soapbox built out of the very thing you're condemning.

Do try to keep up.

I happen to share that sentiment H.B.M.C. That's why they get none of my money. For the others: Why do I still play? I do enjoy the game with the few people left near me that still play. Why do I peruse DakkaDakka? Because despite the majority of the site being dedicated to GW product, I find the painting and modeling skill/talent of other wargammers' astounding. Is there a little part of me hoping GW will change, sure...but I'm not holding my breath. I'll likely return to 40k once GW goes belly up and the IP is sold off to a reputable gaming company that not only cares about the IP but about the people it will be marketing that IP to.

The change over from metal to resin? I really don't give a rat's hairy @$$ anymore what GW does. The price increases associated with it? That's just plain theft. The funny thing is...it's consensual theft...if you buy their stuff.