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Eidolon wrote:I also dont see competitive gamers posting about how people running poor lists effects their enjoyment of the game, we just wont play you as its not what we are looking for.

I can think of one or two players have complained incessantly about how people bringing poor lists to tournaments and being generally crap at strategy are ruining the tournament scene, and how the people out there consistenly winning tournaments were doing so not because they were good, but because everyone else was rubbish...

Eidolon wrote:

GBL wrote:

But sure, imply i have a problem with your shirt, because thats relevant.

No, thats the point, its totally irrelevant, just like other people not painting their models is, or at least SHOULD be irrelevant to your enjoyment of warhammer.

No, but it is relevant. As long as you WEAR a shirt i dont care what it is. Would you not wear a shirt it WOULD affect my enjoyment of the game. I dont care if it is a justin bieber t shirt, just wear one. Same with minis. Paint and participate.

At what point does the whole painting standards thing stop though? I have warhammer armies that look at least as good as that model. Does that give me a right to look down my nose at you? If your models dont have multiple highlights and levels of shading, I dont even want to see them on the table, they dont look as pretty as mine and its detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

insaniak wrote:

Eidolon wrote:I also dont see competitive gamers posting about how people running poor lists effects their enjoyment of the game, we just wont play you as its not what we are looking for.

I can think of one or two players have complained incessantly about how people bringing poor lists to tournaments and being generally crap at strategy are ruining the tournament scene, and how the people out there consistenly winning tournaments were doing so not because they were good, but because everyone else was rubbish...

This is actually verbatim the argument used by some competative gamers as to why they hate to face fluffy lists. Gamers who are WAAAC or rely heavily on fielding the most broke list to win, are individuals that i rarely if ever play against outside of a tourni. On the other hand i often play against grey legion, usually little kids whom i regularly encourage when it comes to painting.

insaniak wrote:

Eidolon wrote:I also dont see competitive gamers posting about how people running poor lists effects their enjoyment of the game, we just wont play you as its not what we are looking for.

I can think of one or two players have complained incessantly about how people bringing poor lists to tournaments and being generally crap at strategy are ruining the tournament scene, and how the people out there consistenly winning tournaments were doing so not because they were good, but because everyone else was rubbish...

Actually myself and a friend commonly attend a local battletech tournament. Thing is, we are both fairly green, and dont get many games in between tournaments. So we tend to act as a free win for the more experienced players, and that has been annoying the people who get only difficult opponents in the draw, as they end up with less points despite being equally skilled. But i think it is more of a problem with the draw than weaker players. But i can see its relevance to this discussion.


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Eidolon wrote:At what point does the whole painting standards thing stop though? I have warhammer armies that look at least as good as that model. Does that give me a right to look down my nose at you? If your models dont have multiple highlights and levels of shading, I dont even want to see them on the table, they dont look as pretty as mine and its detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

I have never had a problem with anyone who tries to paint their miniature, because at that point they are participating, and can be encouraged to do better. Someone who says "lol i dont paint, kills ebay resale value" cannot be encouraged to do better.

The hobby is a process, you arent going to be fantastic straight out of the gate, but everyone in a club/group/store whatever can help everyone to be better, assuming they are willing to be part of the hobby.

Im a decent painter its just one of those things I have to psyche myself up to do. The meat and potatoes of my army is painted just not the specialty units. <.<

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Eidolon wrote:At what point does the whole painting standards thing stop though? I have warhammer armies that look at least as good as that model. Does that give me a right to look down my nose at you? If your models dont have multiple highlights and levels of shading, I dont even want to see them on the table, they dont look as pretty as mine and its detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

I have never had a problem with anyone who tries to paint their miniature, because at that point they are participating, and can be encouraged to do better. Someone who says "lol i dont paint, kills ebay resale value" cannot be encouraged to do better.

The hobby is a process, you arent going to be fantastic straight out of the gate, but everyone in a club/group/store whatever can help everyone to be better, assuming they are willing to be part of the hobby.

Sure but, this isnt THE hobby, its A hobby. Recently I have taken up weight lifting to try and get into better shape. I wasnt out of shape, but I figure I could use some extra muscle. When I go into the gym and see a fat lady walking on the treadmill, or the guy doing high reps low weights, I dont feel they are doing it wrong. Those people simply have different goals. The fat lady is not concerned about packing on muscle, she just wants to lose weight, the other guy probably just wants to tone up and isnt interested in getting big. I know a girl who runs 7 miles a day. I dont think she is working out wrong. I find running incredibly boring and tedious, but more power to her.

So, if I tell you that I am in THE hobby of exercise, do I have to do a certain mix of everything to do it right? Or is the girl going for endurance, and me going for size and strength, just 2 different people with different goals in mind participating in the same general hobby? This isnt THE hobby, its a general hobby made up of various aspects, just like exercising. You can choose to participate in all of them, some of them, or not at all. Some of us do pretty good at all of them. And it shouldnt matter to anyone else. Nobody at the gym complains about other people not participating in their particular workout. Why do people find it necessary to do it with something as trivial as toy soldiers?

sennacherib wrote:
I think winning a tourni has a lot to do with who you draw. some armies are a natural to beat other armies. people who dont buy armies just to field a net list will often show up with whatever models they happen to have that they like to play. At my local tourni scene we have a handicapped kid who loves to come and play. Hes fun to play and whomever faces him always gets an easy win. Should people like this be excluded from playing because they dont have the best available net list.?
I would also like to point out that the handicapped fellow has a fully painted army.

I think netlisting is a flaw of the game in general, but yes it does have a profound negative effect on tournaments.


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Eidolon wrote:At what point does the whole painting standards thing stop though? I have warhammer armies that look at least as good as that model. Does that give me a right to look down my nose at you? If your models dont have multiple highlights and levels of shading, I dont even want to see them on the table, they dont look as pretty as mine and its detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

I have never had a problem with anyone who tries to paint their miniature, because at that point they are participating, and can be encouraged to do better. Someone who says "lol i dont paint, kills ebay resale value" cannot be encouraged to do better.

The hobby is a process, you arent going to be fantastic straight out of the gate, but everyone in a club/group/store whatever can help everyone to be better, assuming they are willing to be part of the hobby.

Sure but, this isnt THE hobby, its A hobby. Recently I have taken up weight lifting to try and get into better shape. I wasnt out of shape, but I figure I could use some extra muscle. When I go into the gym and see a fat lady walking on the treadmill, or the guy doing high reps low weights, I dont feel they are doing it wrong. Those people simply have different goals. The fat lady is not concerned about packing on muscle, she just wants to lose weight, the other guy probably just wants to tone up and isnt interested in getting big. I know a girl who runs 7 miles a day. I dont think she is working out wrong. I find running incredibly boring and tedious, but more power to her.

So, if I tell you that I am in THE hobby of exercise, do I have to do a certain mix of everything to do it right? Or is the girl going for endurance, and me going for size and strength, just 2 different people with different goals in mind participating in the same general hobby? This isnt THE hobby, its a general hobby made up of various aspects, just like exercising. You can choose to participate in all of them, some of them, or not at all. Some of us do pretty good at all of them. And it shouldnt matter to anyone else. Nobody at the gym complains about other people not participating in their particular workout. Why do people find it necessary to do it with something as trivial as toy soldiers?

All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

GBL wrote:
All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

Uh no. I dont think you would complain about someone who shows up to the store once every few months, buys a couple models, goes home to paint them really well, and never plays. If you take the amazingly narrow-minded approach that this is all one big hobby and you have to participate in fluff, modeling, painting, and gaming to say you partcipate, then the guy who shows up to stare at the ladies is the weirdo who shows up to the lgs every saturday but never players or buys models. He doesnt play, doesnt own a model, never did, just watches week after week. The guy who only lifts and is massive might be the painter, the girl who runs a half marathon daily is the competitive gamer, the guy who does a little of everything but nothing hardcore is your average gamer. They all participate in different aspects of the hobby, but to differing degrees.

And one again I ask, why do you care how other people enjoy the hobby? Sure, it took you 15 minutes to slap some drybrushing on that mad cat. But if I have 50 space marines and 5 tanks, thats 12.5 hours just to get my marines to a basic table top standard. If I really hate painting, thats a lot of time invested in something I dont enjoy or care one bit about. Not to mention the money for the paints.

Eidolon wrote:

GBL wrote:
All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

Uh no. I dont think you would complain about someone who shows up to the store once every few months, buys a couple models, goes home to paint them really well, and never plays. If you take the amazingly narrow-minded approach that this is all one big hobby and you have to participate in fluff, modeling, painting, and gaming to say you partcipate, then the guy who shows up to stare at the ladies is the weirdo who shows up to the lgs every saturday but never players or buys models. He doesnt play, doesnt own a model, never did, just watches week after week.

And one again I ask, why do you care how other people enjoy the hobby? Sure, it took you 15 minutes to slap some drybrushing on that mad cat. But if I have 50 space marines and 5 tanks, thats 12.5 hours just to get my marines to a basic table top standard. If I really hate painting, thats a lot of time invested in something I dont enjoy or care one bit about. Not to mention the money for the paints.

Get some paper minis? If you just want the game, why purchase a component of another hobby? Why would you buy well over 250 dollars (probably twice that, cant be arsed counting) of miniatures just to not use them? I painted my blood angels one at a time, with about an hour total every week. Its not a big investment in time. I spend more time in the shower every week. You wouldnt assemble redcoat miniatures if you werent planning on painting them red? yet people play games with redcoat miniatures all the time. I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures. What is it about PP and GW that make people buy miniatures, assemble them, cart them around, but not even bothering to dip them in motor oil for shading? Gw really has won hasnt it, plastic crack and all that.

GBL wrote:I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures.

I have, it's pretty common in Flames of War here.

GBL wrote:

Eidolon wrote:

GBL wrote:
All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

Uh no. I dont think you would complain about someone who shows up to the store once every few months, buys a couple models, goes home to paint them really well, and never plays. If you take the amazingly narrow-minded approach that this is all one big hobby and you have to participate in fluff, modeling, painting, and gaming to say you partcipate, then the guy who shows up to stare at the ladies is the weirdo who shows up to the lgs every saturday but never players or buys models. He doesnt play, doesnt own a model, never did, just watches week after week.

And one again I ask, why do you care how other people enjoy the hobby? Sure, it took you 15 minutes to slap some drybrushing on that mad cat. But if I have 50 space marines and 5 tanks, thats 12.5 hours just to get my marines to a basic table top standard. If I really hate painting, thats a lot of time invested in something I dont enjoy or care one bit about. Not to mention the money for the paints.

Get some paper minis? If you just want the game, why purchase a component of another hobby? Why would you buy well over 250 dollars (probably twice that, cant be arsed counting) of miniatures just to not use them? I painted my blood angels one at a time, with about an hour total every week. Its not a big investment in time. I spend more time in the shower every week. You wouldnt assemble redcoat miniatures if you werent planning on painting them red? yet people play games with redcoat miniatures all the time. I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures. What is it about PP and GW that make people buy miniatures, assemble them, cart them around, but not even bothering to dip them in motor oil for shading? Gw really has won hasnt it, plastic crack and all that.

I enjoy painting models from time to time. Not often, but every now and then I decide to not go out for a weekend and hammer out a bunch of models. Some of my paintjobs were done with the goal of 3 colors fast, some for humor, and some to look amazing. I find a lot of enjoyment in sitting down, listening to music or watching a few movies, and painting miniatures. However, one of my best gaming buddies hates it, and has never fielded a fully painted army in 6 years of playing. Often times they never make it past getting primed. I dont look down on him for this. I know a few people like this, they just never paint, dont enjoy it. Its not my problem, and I dont worry about it. So why do you worry about it? What about your brain makes you fret over people not painting their models and deciding to say feth it, throw them in a tub, and leave them grey?

DarknessEternal wrote:Why would I care if someone's models were painted or not?

I just want to play.

This.

GBL wrote:All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

So, essentially, it is not the fact that someone plays the game that you have both agreed to play that invests them in this hobby, but the amount of time spent decorating their army that dictates their investment?

So, if I build a home, live in it, but don't decorate it, I'm not invested? I buy a car, but don't wash/wax it, I'm not invested?

Financial cost alone would dictate 'investment'.

Ive always been pretty steady on this topic. As someone who's had someone not play him because his army wasn't painted yet. Despite the fact I had started collecting not even 3 weeks earlier just to play games. I can say that I have no problem with people doing this. I get it that you took 1200 hrs to paint your army. I get exactly 4-6 hours a week for myself. If I don't cut into the already minuscule 6 hrs a day of sleep I'm lucky to get. Than paint 1-3 model most of the time. Also I would rather play against tolerant non TFG's. So I'm actually thankful when someone does this, as I'd probably not enjoy playing them anyways.

Now with that being said, I've gotten about 75% of my army painted. In my 7 months of the current cycle of playing/collecting. And it's clear to anyone I play against that I'm putting in effort on that front.


And to the people saying get paper models.... Are you serious? SERIOUSLY?!? Your telling me you'd be more ok with playing someone WITH PAPER FIGURES than someone who took the time to clip and assemble plastic/pewter mini's REALLY?!? That's gak load of gak....

Platuan4th wrote:

GBL wrote:I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures.

I have, it's pretty common in Flames of War here.

Thats a shame, i really hope that that doesnt seep into places i play. 15mm dudes are very easy to paint. Especially the germans (who are about as popular as space marines) flat grey and then a wash. done. the scale is so small that bad painting isnt even noticeable on the battlefield scale.

Platuan4th wrote:

GBL wrote:I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures.

I have, it's pretty common in Flames of War here.

Question - are most of the guys who play FoW where you are ex-or-current GW/PP players?

gunslingerpro wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Why would I care if someone's models were painted or not?

I just want to play.

This.

GBL wrote:All of the people you mentioned are participating. The non painter in your example would be the person who turns up at the gym just to stare at ladies and doesnt use the equipment. They play the game, but they are not invested.

So, essentially, it is not the fact that someone plays the game that you have both agreed to play that invests them in this hobby, but the amount of time spent decorating their army that dictates their investment?

So, if I build a home, live in it, but don't decorate it, I'm not invested? I buy a car, but don't wash/wax it, I'm not invested?

Financial cost alone would dictate 'investment'.

Actually lots of planned communities have minimum standards on housing for this reason, like all houses in a suburb i used to live near had to have a beach aesthetic, or they could veto your building plans. This is because the community wanted to prevent supposedly modern eyesores, and it raised the entire suburbs property values as a result. Nobody wants to be neighbours with an unmowed lawn and a tin shed.

Ive always been pretty steady on this topic. As someone who's had someone not play him because his army wasn't painted yet. Despite the fact I had started collecting not even 3 weeks earlier just to play games. I can say that I have no problem with people doing this. I get it that you took 1200 hrs to paint your army. I get exactly 4-6 hours a week for myself. If I don't cut into the already minuscule 6 hrs a day of sleep I'm lucky to get. Than paint 1-3 model most of the time. Also I would rather play against tolerant non TFG's. So I'm actually thankful when someone does this, as I'd probably not enjoy playing them anyways.

Ive never denied anyone a game due to my bias, but if i go to an LGS and i play someone who has obviously bought a netlist and not bothered assembling it properly or painting it, and then i come back weeks later and nothing has changed, it tells me something of the attitude of the group there and i stop going if i have somewhere with a good community where everyone is painting their stuff, no matter how slowly.

At the same time, i knew a Golden Demon winner who used to stalk new people at the local GW and give them a hard time based on the quality of their first paint jobs, and i dont abide that attitude either.

I enjoy painting models from time to time. Not often, but every now and then I decide to not go out for a weekend and hammer out a bunch of models. Some of my paintjobs were done with the goal of 3 colors fast, some for humor, and some to look amazing. I find a lot of enjoyment in sitting down, listening to music or watching a few movies, and painting miniatures. However, one of my best gaming buddies hates it, and has never fielded a fully painted army in 6 years of playing. Often times they never make it past getting primed. I dont look down on him for this. I know a few people like this, they just never paint, dont enjoy it. Its not my problem, and I dont worry about it. So why do you worry about it? What about your brain makes you fret over people not painting their models and deciding to say feth it, throw them in a tub, and leave them grey?

Why did they buy the model if they dont bother painting it? I dont fret over it, i just avoid it. If you mean to imply i am somehow broken because i dont share your opinion on a matter then i think this convo has gone too far. To turn it around, What about your friend makes him spend so much money just to play a game when there are free paper alternatives available. 3 colour tournaments wouldnt let him in anyways, so there doesnt seem to be a point in purchasing or assembling those miniatures without even attempting painting them. I really dont understand the mindset that makes people do things halfway and dropping them.

GBL wrote:[ To turn it around, What about your friend makes him spend so much money just to play a game when there are free paper alternatives available. .

There are no functional paper alternatives to 40K models that don't require as much (or more) work as painting the models would be.


Paper cut outs don't work in a game that uses 3D LOS.

GBL wrote:
Actually lots of planned communities have minimum standards on housing for this reason, like all houses in a suburb i used to live near had to have a beach aesthetic, or they could veto your building plans. This is because the community wanted to prevent supposedly modern eyesores, and it raised the entire suburbs property values as a result. Nobody wants to be neighbours with an unmowed lawn and a tin shed.

Your example is directly analogous to the tournament entry 3 color requirement. This requirement is not game wide, only tournament wide (if even then). That is not a matter of investment, but of protected community standards. The tournament and housing board being the communities in this example.

However, I again fail to see how that denotes a lack of investment. I know WM/H players who have been around since MKI, owned gaming stores, and played in hundreds of tournaments with warjacks that are still missing arms and are unpainted. He has more paints and mdoels than I could ever hope to amass. Is he not invested?

Why did they buy the model if they dont bother painting it? I dont fret over it, i just avoid it. If you mean to imply i am somehow broken because i dont share your opinion on a matter then i think this convo has gone too far. To turn it around, What about your friend makes him spend so much money just to play a game when there are free paper alternatives available. 3 colour tournaments wouldnt let him in anyways, so there doesnt seem to be a point in purchasing or assembling those miniatures without even attempting painting them. I really dont understand the mindset that makes people do things halfway and dropping them.

What if he only wishes to play at his FLGS? Does he remain uninvested?

It's not that I feel you are broken, I just wish to know where your ability to transfer your standards onto others gains it's credibility?

insaniak wrote:
Paper cut outs don't work in a game that uses 3D LOS.

Curses, foiled again

What if they just slotted into each other in a + shape from above. More or less would achieve the same as a 3D model. Though look worse.

insaniak wrote:

GBL wrote:[ To turn it around, What about your friend makes him spend so much money just to play a game when there are free paper alternatives available. .

There are no functional paper alternatives to 40K models that don't require as much (or more) work as painting the models would be.


Paper cut outs don't work in a game that uses 3D LOS.

Ive seen it work fine. Especially in a game that asks you to assume your conversions are at the same height as the miniature GW makes for the purposes of LOS.

However, I again fail to see how that denotes a lack of investment. I know WM/H players who have been around since MKI, owned gaming stores, and played in hundreds of tournaments with warjacks that are still missing arms and are unpainted. He has more paints and mdoels than I could ever hope to amass. Is he not invested?

I wasnt using the term investment properly, that much is true. I was refering to more of a participation/time investment rather than a financial one. My words fail me.

I just wish to know where your ability to transfer your standards onto others gains it's credibility?

I dont understand the question. Are you asking whether i believe people will take up my values because of a post on the internet? No, i dont believe a soap box post on the internet will change anything. Are you asking whether i have some kind of divine ability to make people do what i want them to? Kinda insulted actually if thats what your implying.

Hows this, i have the respect, not to bring an army of pink redcoats to a group of historical gamers who are very strict on historical accuracy. I have the respect to put in the minimum effort of assembling undercoating and attempting to paint an army before expecting someone at a game club or store to face me in a pick up game. What you do at home or between friends is nobodies business, and if you have already established that nobody cares at your club, then i weep for the hobby, but thats fine too. but i would hope that people show due respect to their unknown potential opponents, who may not like unpainted models by using a $17 spray can on an army they have just paid $300+ for. In fact the only real excuse not to, is ebay resale value. In fact, i find that once you get someone over that hurdle, and there is a good undercoat on their models, that the next steps of "lets paint green trimming" or similar becomes really easy.

Now i dont have any ability to "transfer these standards" and if i did i would probably start with more important standards like charitible giving. But thats my opinion on the issue.

infinite_array wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

GBL wrote:I have never seen anyone play with a "Grey Legion" of WW2 miniatures.

I have, it's pretty common in Flames of War here.

Question - are most of the guys who play FoW where you are ex-or-current GW/PP players?

I played FoW long before I started playing 40k.

The only reason my Germans were painted was because of eBay.
I can't stand the codex paint jobs for my Tyranids, which is what makes it to eBay, so I have to go with my own.
That I like.

I just can't stand painting.

The most upsetting thing is people who don't paint their Infinity models. Every model in the line is gorgeous and deserves a paint job to match. Besides, you only need to field around eight models... that's a week's worth of painting, a month if you only paint a few hours a week.

Squidmanlolz wrote:The most upsetting thing is people who don't paint their Infinity models. Every model in the line is gorgeous and deserves a paint job to match. Besides, you only need to field around eight models... that's a week's worth of painting, a month if you only paint a few hours a week.

Aye, when I looked into getting into that game it was the idea of painting up a chinese force that really excited me.

Squidmanlolz wrote:The most upsetting thing is people who don't paint their Infinity models. Every model in the line is gorgeous and deserves a paint job to match. Besides, you only need to field around eight models... that's a week's worth of painting, a month if you only paint a few hours a week.

And I'll give you the same response.
I'll kick you in the junk once for each mini I paint, deal? We'll both get about the same level of enjoyment.
It doesn't matter how gorgeous the models are - in fact I'll likely never try the game now because of what you said.
My painting will never be that good - just like my skill at playing the cello won't ever be that good.
If my paint job ruins a "gorgeous model" that deserves a gorgeous paint job, I'll just refuse to sully them.

rigeld2 wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:The most upsetting thing is people who don't paint their Infinity models. Every model in the line is gorgeous and deserves a paint job to match. Besides, you only need to field around eight models... that's a week's worth of painting, a month if you only paint a few hours a week.

And I'll give you the same response.
I'll kick you in the junk once for each mini I paint, deal? We'll both get about the same level of enjoyment.
It doesn't matter how gorgeous the models are - in fact I'll likely never try the game now because of what you said.
My painting will never be that good - just like my skill at playing the cello won't ever be that good.
If my paint job ruins a "gorgeous model" that deserves a gorgeous paint job, I'll just refuse to sully them.

I'm starting to wonder if youre to busy obsessing over other peoples "junk" to find the time to pick up a brush. The whole thing is pretty lame.

rigeld2 wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:The most upsetting thing is people who don't paint their Infinity models. Every model in the line is gorgeous and deserves a paint job to match. Besides, you only need to field around eight models... that's a week's worth of painting, a month if you only paint a few hours a week.

And I'll give you the same response.
I'll kick you in the junk once for each mini I paint, deal? We'll both get about the same level of enjoyment.
It doesn't matter how gorgeous the models are - in fact I'll likely never try the game now because of what you said.
My painting will never be that good - just like my skill at playing the cello won't ever be that good.
If my paint job ruins a "gorgeous model" that deserves a gorgeous paint job, I'll just refuse to sully them.

A gorgeous mini deserves to be painted. The only shame is leaving it alone.

Also, not trying a game because someone on the internet likes it. Shallow much?

(in before someone quotes me saying "shallow much" in relation to one of my earlier posts. I do think there is a clear distinction, dont draw me out on a strawman based on a 2 word sentence fragment, there are better issues to explore)

If you don't think you can paint well, try. I painted all 3,000 points of my IG within a year whilst working a job and attending school full time. A few months after finishing them off, I realized the improvements I had made in painting, stripped the entire force and began again. No matter how bad you are, you will improve, you cannot ruin a model with paint. If you don't like a model's paint job, work on improving your painting skills, strip the model and start again.